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Don't know how true this is, but i love your analysis. I totally agree with the Chinese part. Now i see that WWIII engine has started.

What do you are happening to Africa? Any conflicts? Any collaborations with the outgoing/ incoming world powers? And how do you think economic powers will change, of course outside China. I think they will be the victor of this chaos

ivandragon:
Putin simply has an expansionist agenda & would not stop until he reestablishes the Soviet Union.

NATO is a defence pact, not an aggressive one & if Russia doesn't want Ukraine joining NATO, it can do so by other means including political & economic sanctions rather than a full scale war.

Also, since the balkanisation of the SU, Russia has always threatened Ukraine, hence, Ukraine's intention to join NATO. The US & its NATO allies have never pushed Ukraine to join NATO. Putin is just power mad.

Further more, the silence of China is telling... it is watching closely. If Russia succeeds in getting Ukraine without much resistance from the West, China is going to take Taiwan & Tibet too...

The domino effect is that North Korea will invade South Korea, Pakistan will invade the disputed Kahmir region with India. Some Arab nations will attack Israel. Other smaller conflicts designed to grab more land will ensue...

That said, powers (empires) rise & fall. China seems to be the one to replace the declining dominance of the US & Russia is aware of this. But the question I always ask those who insult US is this, would you prefer to stay in an autocratic China or a democratic US?

Ukraine is the weakest point of Russia... They have secrets and loopholes in Ukraine! So, they will go all out to do what they feel is their own safety. But what happened shows why it's very bad for old men "Boris and Biden" to rule nations with the might to stop the attack from going into a war because they'll end up using sanctions to respond a supposed millitary response.

babyfaceafrica:
how is US democratic and China autocratic? Abeg all these people are the same

Lol.

It actually depends on one's point of view & how one choses to read the various propaganda materials from both sides. There in lies the beauty (& beast) of international politics. Every country believes its own way is right.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
The question is what's his issue with Ukraine if not his selfish benefit..it's just like hurting and torturing your wife cos of her choice for the betterment of her life against you..

Putin wants the old Soviet glory nothing else..he has no right to invade a sovereign country for no logical reason..
Modified: Ukraine insisted willingly to join NATO and it has been for a while now..no one is forcing them.. understand that...

Dey deceive yourself.
Putin knows the game US and the west are playing. First they ensured the removal a pro Russian president and installed a western puppet....them began to massively arm ukraine to act as a springboard to launch an invasion of ruasia. What putin is doing is ridding Ukraine of arms that have been stockpiled there by NATO and US.
Russia should not allow those greedy westerners who are quick to mouth freedom when it suits them but will attack countries who have different opinion from them. They want to do what they did in Korea to Ukraine. Divide a single people based on ideology....and instigate war among them. Created a deep enemity between twp brothers. The koreans are still battling to reconcile after 50 years.
The west erroneously want the whole world to always toe their line....but for the sake of world peace there should be a russia...a china....to deter them. How boring the world will be if we all have western ideologies which obviously has its own flaws just like any ideology

DaddyFabooluz:
After insulting me in my post, someone else has brought up same point more clearly and you are now here trying to hard to oppose everybody that does not flow with your point.
The thing is that you still have refused to get the main point.

That dude is one of the resident fool here who believes he know more than everyone here and doesn’t want to be corrected. You shouldn’t have replied him. He argues so blindly.

Difrent:
Dey deceive yourself.
Putin knows the game US and the west are playing. First they ensured the removal a pro Russian president and installed a western puppet....them began to massively arm ukraine to act as a springboard to launch an invasion of ruasia. What putin is doing is ridding Ukraine of arms that have been stockpiled there by NATO and US.
Russia should not allow those greedy westerners who are quick to mouth freedom when it suits them but will attack countries who have different opinion from them. They want to do what they did in Korea to Ukraine. Divide a single people based on ideology....and instigate war among them. Created a deep enemity between twp brothers. The koreans are still battling to reconcile after 50 years.
The west erroneously want the whole world to always toe their line....but for the sake of world peace there should be a russia...a china....to deter them. How boring the world will be if we all have western ideologies which obviously has its own flaws just like any ideology

Ok

Is NATO a terrorist group?

FERNANDEZISBACK:
The question is what's his issue with Ukraine if not his selfish benefit..it's just like hurting and torturing your wife cos of her choice for the betterment of her life against you..

Putin wants the old Soviet glory nothing else..he has no right to invade a sovereign country for no logical reason..
Modified: Ukraine insisted willingly to join NATO and it has been for a while now..no one is forcing them.. understand that...

I am not sure you read the article. No leader will allow a peceived enemy next door. Armerica and uk are no saint to this attitude. By is Russia case different now?

MERCHANDISER:
There will be a new world order where Russia and China will be world leaders and communism will trump democracy all over the world

That day will never come

Rugaria:
So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

Thought y'all said russia is armed to the teeth, she has arsenal that can match up with the US and the likes, she has supporters like china, they can squash any country. Putin is a scared bitch, nothing pro active here. You go to war with a sovereign state just to prove what?? So if i go by your analysis, any nato members should be a big bully to other countries because they gat backing right? Since it inception have you heard any unjust activity compare to what russia did?? Oh, i forgot, it's just because he is proactive

Richy4:
Wow!!! Nigeria got so many international political analysts here on Nairaland.. not to talk of beer parlours around Nigeria...

Yet Nigerian political situations is nothing to write home about... When people like these with great input can help the country

Imagine what would happen if everyone will Channel their energy, enthusiasm and passion just like this to make Nigeria a better place

These are southerners. It is hard to change Nigeria in a Democratic dispensation since the majority reside in the north and are chronically uneducated, religiously and ethnically biased.

You can’t change the country without the majority. And if the majority are educationally diSadvantaged?

You have to educate them first

Rugaria:
For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within her sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a super power. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter an dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, .. The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crises, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US..

Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are NATO members. By your logic, then that means Russia is still vulnerable.

Rugaria:
Very correct assessment.
The aggressors are the ones playing victims now..
NATO has to explain why it wants Russias immediate neighbor as a member.

. You are saying that Ukraine as a sovereign country have to take permission from Russia before it determines it's foreign policy directions? So Ukraine can't take decisions as to it's foreign policy directions.
Ukraine have no right to Join any union it wants?
The way you guys reason and justify nonsense.

Remman:
Ukraine is the weakest point of Russia... They have secrets and loopholes in Ukraine! So, they will go all out to do what they feel is their own safety. But what happened shows why it's very bad for old men "Boris and Biden" to rule nations with the might to stop the attack from going into a war because they'll end up using sanctions to respond a supposed millitary response.

Try brush teeth first ...

iguita:
Don't know how true this is, but i love your analysis. I totally agree with the Chinese part. Now i see that WWIII engine has started.

What do you are happening to Africa? Any conflicts? Any collaborations with the outgoing/ incoming world powers? And how do you think economic powers will change, of course outside China. I think they will be the victor of this chaos

Well, who knows what will happen next?

If one should use the Prussian wars, WW 1 & 2 as an analytical base, then there is no way Africa will not be dragged directly or indirectly into the war.

For one, as natural resources become scarce in the major areas of conflict, the warring nations will turn to Africa to further exploit its natural resources to fuel their war engines & economy. With that, the major powers will seek to disrupt the other from gaining a foothold in the African countries with the richest resources & this will lead to a circle of regime changes, more rebel & secessionist groups, realignment of terror groups who would suddenly enter the Good books of some nations etc...

A global conflict does not bode well for Africa... but again, who knows...

ivandragon:
Lol.

It actually depends on one's point of view & how one choses to read the various propaganda materials from both sides. There in lies the beauty (& beast) of international politics. Every country believes its own way is right.

Eggzactly.. I don't like this narrative of USA been an angel and Russia & China devils.. Everybody is good and bad.. Make CNN, BBC and Co no whine us

MrQuadri:
I am not sure you read the article. No leader will allow a peceived enemy next door. Armerica and uk are no saint to this attitude. By is Russia case different now?

Ok..

FERNANDEZISBACK:
They chose to Join.. NATO didn't or is not forcing anyone of them..

Why den did dey want to join. Ukraine want to join because dey have insider pushing zelensky to join so that NATO can have Military base. The media and NATO won't want to show how they wanted Ukraine to join NATO
Joining or not joining there are other things hidden in this case.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
They chose to Join.. NATO didn't or is not forcing anyone of them..

Why den did dey want to join. Ukraine want to join because dey have insider pushing zelensky to join so that NATO can have Military base. The media and NATO won't want to show how they wanted Ukraine to join NATO
Joining or not joining there are other things hidden in this case.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
They chose to Join.. NATO didn't or is not forcing anyone of them..

Why den did dey want to join. Ukraine want to join because dey have insider pushing zelensky to join so that NATO can have Military base. The media and NATO won't want to show how they wanted Ukraine to join NATO
Joining or not joining there are other things hidden in this case.

MERCHANDISER:
Democracy my foot.
Nigeria or even the mighty USA that is practicing democracy are they more developed infrastructure-wise than China or Russia ?

You are free to go to China or Russia and leave democracies alone

Enemyofpeace:
I no still understand the story jo

na PDP wey no gree for Apc now PDP go give Biafra and Oduduwa republic independence na him oo

Akhee:
Why den did dey want to join. Ukraine want to join because dey have insider pushing zelensky to join so that NATO can have Military base. The media and NATO won't want to show how they wanted Ukraine to join NATO
Joining or not joining there are other things hidden in this case.[b]Why den did dey want to join. Ukraine want to join because dey have insider pushing zelensky to join so that NATO can have Military base. The media and NATO won't want to show how they wanted Ukraine to join NATO
Joining or not joining there are other things hidden in this case.[/b]Why den did dey want to join. Ukraine want to join because dey have insider pushing zelensky to join so that NATO can have Military base. The media and NATO won't want to show how they wanted Ukraine to join NATO
Joining or not joining there are other things hidden in this case.

But Estonia and Latvia are NATO

MyVILLAGEpeople:
You just said it how it is. Lots of uninformed people on this forum. Most of them don’t do thorough study and research. They are victims of the western propaganda.

And you are a victim of eastern propaganda.

Jemerson:
Try brush teeth first ...

Mumu

FERNANDEZISBACK:
NATO is a military alliance created explicitly to resist the German and Soviet aggression. A lot has changed since 1949. Germany is actually now an ally and one of key NATO members. Russia however is still a threat particularly to its immediate neighbors who don’t have massive oil reserves to fund military budgets. So NATO is still a very relevant peacekeeping force in Europe...

How can NATO be created to resist German aggression in 1949 when Germany was already defeated in 1945?
Why not use Google to cure your ignorance on NATO and it's formation.

So to answer your question, the reason why NATO has expanded and is expanding is because the applicant countries see it as a security guarantee against Russia, and to some degree, each other. Denying them membership simply based on their geographical location would defeat the very founding principle of NATO itself...
Think with your head instead of bringing your cluelessness here.

What is the founding principle of NATO?

Which Russian aggression made Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic join NATO in 1999 less that 10 years after the Soviet Union and Therefore Warsaw pact broke up?

Which security situation made Eastern European countries like Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia join NATO in 2004?

These small country offer nothing new to NATO capabilities except providing a base close to Russia.

Russia feels being chocked by the U.S. and that's why it's started to react more and more aggressively.

Imagine someone who said NATO was formed created to resist aggression against Germany accusing someone of cluelessness, is that ironic?

LegitDeals247:
U are wicked

How am I wicked bro?

I like to see issues without being biased.

On the other hand I detest Mediocrity, Naivity and Willful ignorance

Nigeria is messed up today because of these 3 mindsets above.

Rugaria:
Very correct assessment.
The aggressors are the ones playing victims now..
NATO has to explain why it wants Russias immediate neighbor as a member.

Is it the same news article you read? How is NATO or Ukraine the agressor playing victim?

Ukrainians decided to remove a Pro-Russian President in 2014 which angered Putin because his puppet had been removed. Putin then found excuse to annex Crimea, starting the Crimean War and thereafter sponsoring and arming separatists in Eastern Ukraine, leaving thousands of Ukrainians dead from his actions.

The Russian problem apparently makes joining NATO and the EU attractive to Ukraine and Putin's response is to invade Ukraine and you now say NATO are the aggressors?

When your neighbour is strategic to your safety what you do is treat him nice and be good to him. Not that you want to manipulate and threaten him to the point of fighting him. You think that would in the long run help your situation? Putin really made a big mistake that would unfold in times to come.

BusterG:
Honestly I would sincerely have wished you ignored this person you responded to.

It's one thing to be Ignorant.
It's another thing to be Naive.

But to be both is very unacceptable in these dangerous times.

You are wise. Exactly my thoughts. In Nigeria we even take pride in our ignorance....SMH

You said it all bro

Rugaria:
For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain , Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbor? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbor that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within her sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a super power. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter an dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, .. The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crises, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US..

gambojimeta:
But Estonia and Latvia are NATO

Putin would never have allowed Estonia and Latvia to join NATO.

FERNANDEZISBACK:
Ooh so attacking them is a way forward?
Why will Ukraine sort a war with Russia for no reason? isn't that d**mb?

You can't tell a sovereign country what to do and how to run their country..did they launch any offensive against Russia?no
If you or Putin ain't scared and doesn't have any ulterior motive why forcing Ukraine to lick your boots?

No point here just some bully..I can't imagine Egypt or Algeria invading your country cos you decide to do something for the betterment of your country.. NATO did not launch any offensive against Russia did they?
Ukraine is being bullied and needeed help?how would you feel if your senior bro keep hurting you so as to force you to do what he wants? won't you look for a solution? or you will keep smiling and enduring huh?
So what exactly is your point?

Even after the full length of explanation of why Russia is carrying out this attacks on Ukraine, u still fail to analytically comprehend. No body is supporting this bloody invasion, but first, understand the politics behind it (why NATO strongly want Ukraine as it's member and why Russia is fighting so hard to prevent that) and stop arguing from emotional point of view.....

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Rugaria:
For no reason?
The problem here is that you are giving NATO and the West a free pass. In your mind, they're infallible. You really think the West never saw this crises coming? This crises have been brewing for over a decade. The West knows what they're doing. Russia knows what they are doing too. Russia understands Western manipulations and scheming and are basically trying to upstage them.

You have to understand how NATO works. Once you're a member of NATO, if you're attacked, all members of NATO have a duty to join hands to defend you. It means that the attackers will be facing the military arsenal of the whole of western Europe and others that are members of NATO. NATO is the biggest fighting block as at today and represents the biggest military danger to countries like Russia and China...

So what happens if Ukraine joins NATO and a president of Ukraine starts a sort of war with Russia? NATO will have to do something to defend Ukraine. That means that all of a sudden, Russia will have to fight The USA, France, Britain, Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal etc. These are some of the most sophisticated militaries in the world. You're going to face them over a minor squabble with your neighbour? Right at your borders! Especially a neighbour that has ethnic Russians as her citizens too?

This is very simple. I don't know why it looks so confusing to some. Russia is trying to get Ukraine within its sphere of influence. That's what you do when you're a superpower. The Americans do it, the USSR did it, China is trying to do it. If you leave your flanks open, your competitors will enter and dismantle you. If you doubt this, try to make Mexico a strategic ally of Russia or China, The Americans will react even more ferociously than Russia is doing today to that. During the Venezuelan crisis, The US did whatever it could to make sure that Russia never had a military post in Venezuela. Yet Venezuela has no border crossings with The United States. How much more a country with land borders with the US.

We all understand Russia's point. But what we're saying is how come Ukraine is aligning more with NATO than with Russia? The answer is simple, Russia is simply not a good neighbour. It's more of a threatening bully and a dictatorship.

There is no where it's written anywhere that superpowers must annexed smaller countries around them.
Ukrainian simply don't want to be under Russia.

The Cuba Missile Crisis most be are sighting, they don't have good knowledge of it.

Cuba is a communist state, that's fair with the US. Cuba started fraternising with Russia, ok, not bad. Russia started building Nuclear Plants in Cuba. That was where the US had to draw the line.

The US could use the opportunity to also annex Cuba , but being a democracy, how do they explain that to Americans?


What we all have to understand is, if we keep saying the US did this and that in the past. Are we saying it's also right for Russia to do same? The US is not the only member of NATO. Ukraine is not joining the US but NATO. So making it about the US or being a superpower is irrational and immoral.

Let's just support good against evil, what Putin is doing doesn't even enjoys Russians support I don't know why he's enjoys enjoying you peoples' or why you need to rationalize it

FERNANDEZISBACK:
How is NATO a threat to him?
NATO is a defensive organisation that guarantees the integrity of member nations against attack through the medium of mutual support...

He is not defending his country he is invading a sovereign country.. understand that?
You can't defend your country by attacking another for no reason..just like torturing your wife for saying she wanna divorce you..
NATO is still necessary because it protects its members from the “confusion, instability, unpredictability” which are persistent conditions in international affairs. So NATO doesn’t need to be against any specific state or group to continue to have a very important job to do...To prevent any more annexed Crimea’s and Russian occupied Ukraine.
Russia intends to further expand her borders, NATO may deter WW3...
So you gotta understand that..

Stop writing NONSENSE. NATO is not a defensive organisation. They've invaded countries like Serbia and Libya before and talking about sovereignty. Is Cuba or Vietnam not a sovereign country?
The west is against a multi-polar world that's why they're against Russia and China.