SlayerForever:
Ijaw keep claiming the word Oru but yet they have no tangible explanation as regards the term Oru.

Let me tell you what I think. I think the Orus were actually Riverine Igbos that were in existence from the beginning of the Igbo race. Oru is more evenly spread and established across Igbo society that in Ijaw society. Oru appears a foreign concept in ijaw origin.
I just showed you baikie's quote.
Infact we have been known as Oru people.
Some say owu.


Now tell me the meaning of Oru in Igbo?

The Oru would be joined by the Ijaw people in a migration much later, and over generations the two became thoroughly mixed. Hence, Ijaw superimposed or more probably eroded the practices of the riverine Oru Igbos they came upon, leaving only the name Oru as survivor from that era, and from then the ijaw we know today continued in existence.

That is my explanation of Oru's awkward existence in Ijaw today.

SlayerForever:
Ijaw keep claiming the word Oru but yet they have no tangible explanation as regards the term Oru.

Let me tell you what I think. I think the Orus were actually Riverine Igbos that were in existence from the beginning of the Igbo race. Oru is more evenly spread and established across Igbo society that in Ijaw society. Oru appears a foreign concept in ijaw origin.

The Oru would be joined by the Ijaw people in a migration much later, and over generations the two became thoroughly mixed. Hence, Ijaw superimposed or more probably eroded the practices of the riverine Oru Igbos they came upon, leaving only the name Oru as survivor from that era, and from then the ijaw we know today continued in existence.

That is my explanation of Oru's awkward existence in Ijaw today.

Alabo7978:

Migration has been a thing of all living things which roamed the surface of the earth. From birds, herds of animals, to the tiny ants; all at one point in time of their existence has crossed land masses, rivers, valleys, vegetations in search of a favorable climate. Migration can also be caused by natural occurrence, supernatural occurrence, war and famine.
Almost every civilization of ancient times and occurrence correlates directly or indirectly and spoke of a particular location of creation, the expansion of man, the deluge, the coming of people who came from the sky (fallen angels(religion), extraterrestrials(knowledge enthusiasts), aliens(scientists) sky people (culture/oral history) but it all directly or indirectly correlates one way or the other; but that is another discussion on its own.
On migration just like a man who has come of age does, he stands on his feet, lives his father’s land and goes to settle in another place convenient for him from the days of The biblical figure Abraham even until this very day. Be it the garden of Eden, Elysian plain, or any location based on a cultural entity telling of the first place of creation or habitation, people will tend to move as population grows which will then cause the corners of Earth to be filled or habited.
It has been agreed upon by people of every culture, race, and color that life indeed began in eastern africa around the Tanzania-Eritrea-Egyptian and Ethiopian basin. And the rise in population definitely caused people to begin to migrate to the middle East and corners of Africa. The oldest civilization being that of Egypt which had very powerful influence and culture which spread unto Nubia and the middle East will definitely go along with the people who migrate, this people who migrated indeed came with the Egyptian deity worship of (H)Oru or (H)eru with them.

THE NILE DELTA OF LOWER EGYPT, THE NIGER-DELTA OF LOWER NIGERIA

The formation of foundation of a civilization doesn’t or never hinges on a particular person as it takes a people to form a city. The formation of the ijaw Ethnic nation was a gradual process as with other Ethnic nationalities. There are accounts of the sky people in other words fallen angels, extraterrestrial who came with advance knowledge and power from beyond the clouds and it is these divine sky people that the batch headed by Ijo met. Much isn’t known about those period but the migration batch led by ujo,Ejo,ijo from the NILE DELTA who saw a similar abode in the NIGER-DELTA and dwelt with the sky people who were called Kumoni(ancient people) gave birth to the kumoni-oru first ancestors, but prior to the union or meeting, this migration from Egypt came through Nupe(the Nupe people also claim to have come from Egypt) and then IFE(buttressing the Yoruba account that the ijaws came from Ife (NOTE: UJO is known and called idekoseroake in Yoruba account), and then camping at the current site in which Benin city now stands, this was before the founding of the Benin empire. Ijo then led a small batch and journeyed till they got to the site remembered as Agadagba-buo at igbedi-creek and made there his abode. He then sent a message back to his followers at Uzama(Benin) and old Ife to join him. After staying with his followers for a number of years, Ijoh alongside 9 companions decided to jour
Agadagba-buo became the springboard from whence his sons Namely; GBARAN, Opu-Okun&Kala-Okun, Tara, Oporo&Olodi, Opu-beni, Ogula & Kuru, Oyan, Oru, Opu-Ogbo & Kala-ogbo. These sons and their sons became the founding fathers of the various (H)Oru clans which stretches from one end of the delta to the other end and further inland.

(H)ORU
The Oru is an ancient name associated with the the ijaw Ethnic nation that inhabits a huge space of the niger-delta in southern Nigeria. They are a people rich in culture and boasts of some of the most wealthiest and powerful city states that grew to influence from as early as the 1400s to the 1890s. The Oru follow a more ancient system which is the most important pillar of nature which venerates the mother. The Oru people are also associated with the ancient Nubians who once ruled Egypt and known as the ourou(god or king) and also associated with the Egyptian god (h)Oru. The NILE DELTA AND NIGER DELTA might be coincidence but this also shouldn’t be coincidence that the ijoid meaning of Oru means ; a gOD, a deity, Divinity, sky person (fallen angel). It should be brought to light that several ijoid names glorify (H)Oru such as ORUBEBE, ORUWARI(which means house of god or house of (h)Oru), ORUBO(which means follower of god or follower of (H)Oru), ORUTEME(god's spirit or spirit of (h)Oru. Other ijoid names are orukari, orufene etc
TEMU
The Egyptian god who created himself by emanating from the darkest watery abyss as the first ever being which existed before creation is usually associated with TEMUNO, TAMUNO OR TEM. Out of loneliness he created his children whom became the first deities.

A FEW FACTS ABOUT THE IJAWS

1) The IJAWS were known and called INDO-ORU or UMUORU by the Aboh's, Oru was it’s ancient name as also known by the Europeans. Dr baikie in his later words said of them; “from the part of the river nun up till this point Taylor creek, the country on either side is called Oru. The people are of the same tribe of those who inhabit the tract of the country up on to the RIO fermoso where however they are called Ejo or ojo by which name they are known at aboh, brass and Bonny, by English palm oil traders they are often termed jo-men. Throughout the district but one Language is spoken with but with little dialectical difference
2) The Ibaka people of Akwa-ibom speak the kirike dialect of okrika, they are related to the Ibaka people of okrika
3) The bille people; a sub-clan of the Kalabari people are also found in Demsa local government area of adamawa state. A section of the people left the town in anger after a disagreement several generations ago. The bille in adamawa still grace occasions at their ancestral home and a majority of them through a poll welcomed the idea to reunite with their bille-kalabari people of ijaw. They are numbered about 88,000
4) The people in the Igbo region termed Oru-igbo or Oru-na-igbo by the IBOS are most likely an ancient batch of Ijaw people who migrated to the region. The term has become an umbrella of these unique IBO group whose river affinity hasn’t eroded away over the centuries as the central Igbo Language for thank you is 'dalu' and is quickly understood by all igbos, but quite different from the Oru-igbo people who say mbuana or mbana, imbana, imbanua which isn’t understood by the igbos but quickly understood by the ijaws who say imbanua or nua. It is also a thing altogether why these group pride themselves as ORU-IGBO and not as Igbos.
5) Along the Oguta river in K beach Imo state was once a town where the ijaw people of kalabari once lived, though they deserted this town back to their ancestral land in kalabari kingdom, river state at the eve of the Nigerian civil war. Ofcourse the present settlers of this town address themselves as ORU-IGBO and when there is a serious land dispute, kalabari-ijaw chiefs are called upon to settle such dispute.

Igboid:
Nope. The Nubians are a highly organized people capable of great technological and artistic feats.
Ijaws lack these two traits. They were not good in technology ( no metallurgy, construction, etc skills) and arts( no known Ijaw arts), the ones they claim are the Ibibio arts of proto Ibibiod people like Andoni, Ogbia, Abureni, Obulom, and proto Edo people like Udekeme, Engenni and Epie-Attisa.
The real and not Political Ijaw people in Kolokuma Opokuma homeland, are not known for another productive venture beyond rudimentary fishing.

In conclusion. The Ijaws cannot be Nubians.

mrvitalis:

All this scam no get head ...any day the ijaws are ready then left do DNA analysis of the people in lower Niger ... determine who is who

But they know the truth would be exposed

Alabo7978:

Scientists have found it difficult to extract the DNA which has been impacted by mummification and hot dessert climate over the centuries.
Though their afro hair still tells who they are. The Egyptians aren't the ones known now.
Infact genomes has been collected to show that the descendants of ancient Egyptians are around the sub Saharan area.
War, farmine, flooding caused several people to migrate ancient Egypt. The final waves that left were during the Hyksos invasion.

Igboid:
Nope. The Nubians are a highly organized people capable of great technological and artistic feats.
Ijaws lack these two traits. They were not good in technology ( no metallurgy, construction, etc skills) and arts( no known Ijaw arts), the ones they claim are the Ibibio arts of proto Ibibiod people like Andoni, Ogbia, Abureni, Obulom, and proto Edo people like Udekeme, Engenni and Epie-Attisa.
Funny of you to mention ogbeyan, Andoni, atissai,abureni and the other ijaw clans and still say nonesense.

Don't think ijaws are only opokuma/kolokuma, that was infact the second wave of migration o
The opokuma kolokuma ancestors are infact the last people who migrated, they are even the last borns of ijaw.
Soon I'll make a thread on that one when time permits.
It was even from Agadagba-buo the first and older children of ijo left.
We were first at Benin prior to the foundation of Benin, they knew ijo as uzo(ASK ANY BENI MAN)
The Epie and atissai people intermarried and have blood relation with them and when there was war in Benin, those batch migrated down.
Ijo is even known at old IFE as idekoseroake (a title)

When two ancient empires IFE and Benin writes in their own history about you, then you are known.
The Benins even say ujo and igodo the first ogiso of Igodomigodo were siblings.

This isn't fairy tale, we settled before the foundation of benin... Andoni is off the isedani lineage and were known as andoni-oru.
So brother man, if you don't believe, go and ask the Benins and yorubas and Nupe people.


The real and not Pol

Kolokuma Opokuma homeland, are not known for another productive venture beyond rudimentary fishing.

In conclusion. The Ijaws cannot be Nubians.

mrvitalis:

Oga I mean in Nigeria this one ijaws wants to claim everyone ...simple DNA sampling can tell us the truth

Liebermantic:
Ijaws are just canoe dwellers and didn't contribute to civilization of Niger Delta..They are just archaic fisher men predominantly residing in Bayelsa.

Alabo7978:

Read well.

The DNA's in the mummy are eroded.
We came with the culture and custom

Alabo7978:
every Europeans called us Oru, even the name you want to claim.
Na wa o

Anonymous15:
Ditaridesciple2
Eastisbae

mrvitalis:

Oga if u an ijaws and claim oru people are ijaw ,ibaka people are ijaw bla bla bla ..u claim.kalabri is ijaw back it up with DNA analysis

The last one done on okrika people shocked you right ?

SlayerForever:



Read that excerpt from Baikie closely you will observe the statement points to a slight distinction between the Oru and Jos of the Fermosa.

Ojiofor:


Did they carry out DNA test on Okrika people,pls what was the result?

mrvitalis:

Oga if u an ijaws and claim oru people are ijaw ,ibaka people are ijaw bla bla bla ..u claim.kalabri is ijaw back it up with DNA analysis

The last one done on okrika people shocked you right ?

Alabo7978:
no,
It says
"From the part of the river nun till Taylor creek THE COUNTRY ON EITHER(BOTH) SIDE IS TERMED ORU...the people ARE OF THE SAME TRIBE which habits the tract of the country UP UNTIL THE RIO FERMOSO... They are termed jo-men by the English palm oil traders"
Then at the end, he went on to say THROUGH OUT THE DISTRICT BUT ONE LANGUAGE IS SPOKEN WITH but WITH LITTLE DIALECTICAL DIFFERENCE"

In that his book, he then went on to compare the counting system
Taru Mamu trai Nini sono sondiu sonuma (Bonny)
Which is also same in other ijaw clans west.
In my own Nembe it is kio Mai trai nine Sono sondiu sonuma etc

Everything tally.
This his research was in the 1850s when other words were begin to be collected other than IBO.
You all only dwell on the first expedition of the 1830s

Liebermantic:
Ijaws are just canoe dwellers and didn't contribute to civilization of Niger Delta..They are just archaic fisher men predominantly residing in Bayelsa.

SlayerForever:
Ijaw keep claiming the word Oru but yet they have no tangible explanation as regards the term Oru.

Let me tell you what I think. I think the Orus were actually Riverine Igbos that were in existence from the beginning of the Igbo race. Oru is more evenly spread and established across Igbo society that in Ijaw society. Oru appears a foreign concept in ijaw origin.

The Oru would be joined by the Ijaw people in a migration much later, and over generations the two became thoroughly mixed. Hence, Ijaw superimposed or more probably eroded the practices of the riverine Oru Igbos they came upon, leaving only the name Oru as survivor from that era, and from then the ijaw we know today continued in existence.

That is my explanation of Oru's awkward existence in Ijaw today.

JANK23H:

Don't tell us what you think.That's not what scholars do.There are several literature that ascribe that appellation to Ijos.We also call ourselves Orus too.That is an ancient Ijo appellation.

Alabo7978:
every Europeans called us Oru, even the name you want to claim.
Na wa o

Ojiofor:


Did they carry out DNA test on Okrika people,pls what was the result?