[quote author=JANK23H post=110662600][/quote]

Right.
Another 1960s book.

Igboid:


Right.
Another 1960s book.

Journal actually...
I understand 1960 was a bad period for Igbos, but you don't expect the rest of us to wipe it away from human history/timeline..Jeez!

Here is an authentic history of New Calabar (Kalabari) written by Arthur Glynn in.

We know for a fact that New Calabar are originally Efik people who migrated from old Calabar and were accompanied by the Igbos(Aros) who became part of them, to their current location.

New Calabar later on welcomed too many Ijaw elements.

So in essence, they are a mixed people composing of Efik(Ibibiod), Igbo and finally as always, the latecomers Ijaws who overwhelmed the other two groups and made their own Ijaw Language the dominant language of the area, just as they have struggled to do in Bonny and Opobo but have failed woefully.

JANK23H:

Journal actually...
I understand 1960 was a bad period for Igbos, but you don't expect the rest of us to wipe it away from human history/timeline..Jeez!

Where is the source of it's information that Kalabari is Ijaw coming from?
Did it take cognizance of earlier studies made when Kalabari was still at its early stages and even had an Igbo king as observed by Captain Crow and Arthur Glynn?
New Calabar aka Kalabari has three sources of Origin.

1. Efik, who are the true and first Aboriginals who left old Calabar to form New Calabar that became Ijawnized by later Ijaw migrants to Kalabari.

2. The Igbos, mainly of Aro and their Abam, Ohafia, Edda accomplices who accompanied the Efiks from old Duke town in Old Calabar to establish New Calabar (Kalabari) in its current location.

3. The expansionist Ijaws who were late arrivals but were cultural genocidal in nature which helped them wipe off the language of the earliest Efik and Igbos who formed New Calabar.

What the stupid article on the journal did was ignore the other two original roots of New Calabar by simply looking at the dominant Ijaw part of New Calabar.
It's a poorly researched journal.

JANK23H:

Journal actually...
I understand 1960 was a bad period for Igbos, but you don't expect the rest of us to wipe it away from human history/timeline..Jeez!

Nope.
We can't accept politically motivated historical distortions of 1960s that are not in agreement with earlier neutral accounts collected at an apolitical era.

@Ekealterego task done.

.....@slayerforever @Igboid @Bkayy

....Courtesy of ekealterego banned by antispambot. This picture are Igbos on the River in the 1830s.

...One is Allen and one Oldfield. When he is unbanned he will give the reference himself.

....@slayerforever @Igboid @Bkayy @Ofoigbo @9pluto

..... Igbo navigation power on the sea and rivers of Igbos

..........@ekealterego Task done

........So, the point, Igbos were also good on the waters.

Igboid:


Nope.
We can't accept politically motivated historical distortions of 1960s that are not in agreement with earlier neutral accounts collected at an apolitical era.

All these are conjectures. If it doesn't favour you, you whip up conspiracy theories. If I argue along the line that as time went by, better research was done to debunk the assertions of earlier writers like Crow(which there were anyway).

That is the excerpt of a scientific journal written by an unbiased source, not Alagoa. Please, present proof of Britain deliberate revision of Igbo history.

I could also point out that Crow was biased in favour of the Igbos

Vintagepipes:
....@slayerforever @Igboid @Bkayy @Ofoigbo @9pluto

..... Igbo navigation power on the sea and rivers of Igbos

..........@ekealterego Task done

........So, the point, Igbos were also good on the waters.

Even though I disagree with the author's poor opinion of the Igbo coast dwelling neighbours. You sort of confirmed our long draw argument that the Igbos are not coastal dwellers but were found in the hinterlands.

Vintagepipes:
@Ekealterego task done.

.....@slayerforever @Igboid @Bkayy

....Courtesy of ekealterego banned by antispambot. This picture are Igbos on the River in the 1830s.

...One is Allen and one Oldfield. When he is unbanned he will give the reference himself.

Good.

Vintagepipes:
....@slayerforever @Igboid @Bkayy @Ofoigbo @9pluto

..... Igbo navigation power on the sea and rivers of Igbos

..........@ekealterego Task done

........So, the point, Igbos were also good on the waters.

No Ijaw boatmen can paddle boats 48 hours without food. Their naval prowess was only identified in relation to maritime banditry.

Igboid:
Here is an authentic history of New Calabar (Kalabari) written by Arthur Glynn in.

We know for a fact that New Calabar are originally Efik people who migrated from old Calabar and were accompanied by the Igbos(Aros) who became part of them, to their current location.

New Calabar later on welcomed too many Ijaw elements.

So in essence, they are a mixed people composing of Efik(Ibibiod), Igbo and finally as always, the latecomers Ijaws who overwhelmed the other two groups and made their own Ijaw Language the dominant language of the area, just as they have struggled to do in Bonny and Opobo but have failed woefully.

Igboid stop cherry-picking ideas from a book or article. It clearly stated there were two versions. The Efik version and Ijo version.No where was it explicitly stated they were Igbos.Na wa for una o

SlayerForever:




No Ijaw boatmen can paddle boats 48 hours without food. Their naval prowess was only identified in relation to maritime banditry.

JANK23H:

Even till today

Igboid:


Where is the source of it's information that Kalabari is Ijaw coming from?
Did it take cognizance of earlier studies made when Kalabari was still at its early stages and even had an Igbo king as observed by Captain Crow and Arthur Glynn?
New Calabar aka Kalabari has three sources of Origin.

1. Efik, who are the true and first Aboriginals who left old Calabar to form New Calabar that became Ijawnized by later Ijaw migrants to Kalabari.

2. The Igbos, mainly of Aro and their Abam, Ohafia, Edda accomplices who accompanied the Efiks from old Duke town in Old Calabar to establish New Calabar (Kalabari) in its current location.

3. The expansionist Ijaws who were late arrivals but were cultural genocidal in nature which helped them wipe off the language of the earliest Efik and Igbos who formed New Calabar.

What the stupid article on the journal did was ignore the other two original roots of New Calabar by simply looking at the dominant Ijaw part of New Calabar.
It's a poorly researched journal.

Take time to read that thing you posted oga. If you have something else to buttress your statement present it.

My own is on the way.

Vintagepipes:
....@slayerforever @Igboid @Bkayy @Ofoigbo @9pluto

..... Igbo navigation power on the sea and rivers of Igbos

..........@ekealterego Task done

........So, the point, Igbos were also good on the waters.

Interesting.
... And few decades later some swampians are claiming to have enslaved those that even strangers confirmed are superior to them. A claim they can't back up, not even in reality, although Ndigbo are at their weakest state right now.

They say wars are reminisce of history. So far the awareness of Igbo coastal lands still exist, at the right time which is after dissolution of Nigeria that phrase "Touch us physical" will be put to a test and every goat will answer for the nonsense they said during Nigeria

Igboid:
Here is an authentic history of New Calabar (Kalabari) written by Arthur Glynn in.

We know for a fact that New Calabar are originally Efik people who migrated from old Calabar and were accompanied by the Igbos(Aros) who became part of them, to their current location.

New Calabar later on welcomed too many Ijaw elements.

So in essence, they are a mixed people composing of Efik(Ibibiod), Igbo and finally as always, the latecomers Ijaws who overwhelmed the other two groups and made their own Ijaw Language the dominant language of the area, just as they have struggled to do in Bonny and Opobo but have failed woefully.

Hope you saw where the author clearly stated "until they met Portuguese ships"

When Bkayy tell people that Ijaws are people the European ships dropped at our coasts some with little knowledge will be nonsense.

The snippet clearly stated that the territory Kalabari is dwelling is Igbo country. Well it is time will tell not arguments on nairaland.
Anybody that doubts that the place is Igboland should go and ask them in Kalabari what "Bom" is.

JANK23H:

Igboid stop cherry-picking ideas from a book or article. It clearly stated there were two versions. The Efik version and Ijo version.No where was it explicitly stated they were Igbos.Na wa for una o

Nope.
But it was stated that Aros accompanied them from old Calabar to their current location.
So we know that they had Igbo components right from the beginning, even before they had contacts with Ijaws.
Captain Crow confirmed that the King of New Calabar was of Igbo origin.
You can't rule a people if you don't settle amongst them.

The whole point is that New Calabar is a hybrid group, and in the future, Ndiigbo will never accept them being annexed by Ijaws.
We will insist they remain as an independent nation connecting the Igbos, Ibibios (Efik) and Ijaws as they use to be in the old Eastern region before the unfortunate events of 1967-70, and not claimed by Ijaws single handedly as has been the case since after 1970.

Igboid:


Nope.
But it was stated that Aros accompanied them from old Calabar to their current location.
So we know that they had Igbo components right from the beginning, even before they had contacts with Ijaws.
Captain Crow confirmed that the King of New Calabar was of Igbo origin.
You can't rule a people if you don't settle amongst them.

The whole point is that New Calabar is a hybrid group, and in the future, Ndiigbo will never accept them being annexed by Ijaws.
We will insist they remain as an independent nation connecting the Igbos, Ibibios (Efik) and Ijaws and not claimed by Ijaws single handedly.

I don't care about how twisted it might look like. The fact is that the land is Igbo territory and most of the natives are of Igbo descent.

Every author as of them confirmed that their leaders are of Igbo descent. The place was already inhabited by Igbo people before other groups were introduced.

BKayy:

I don't care about how twisted it might look like. The fact is that the land is Igbo territory and most of the natives are of Igbo descent.

Every author as of them confirmed that their leaders are of Igbo descent. The place was already inhabited by Igbo people before other groups were introduced.

The least Ndiigbo will accept is New Calabar standing as an independent municipality like Monaco.
Never will we accept an Ijaw annexed New Calabar post NIGERIA dissolution.

Igboid:


The least Ndiigbo will accept is New Calabar standing as an independent municipality like Monaco.
Never will we accept an Ijaw annexed New Calabar post NIGERIA dissolution.

Exactly. You are right

BKayy:

Hope you saw where the author clearly stated "until they met Portuguese ships"

When Bkayy tell people that Ijaws are people the European ships dropped at our coasts some with little knowledge will be nonsense.

The snippet clearly stated that the territory Kalabari is dwelling is Igbo country. Well it is time will tell not arguments on nairaland.
Anybody that doubts that the place is Igboland should go and ask them in Kalabari what "Bom" is.

Yes I saw it, the Portuguese ship part.

Could that be the confirmation of what we have always suspected, which is that Ijaws are truly descendants of ship porters from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana,Togo and other coastal West Africa, who accompanied the Portuguese ships to our shores?

I remember Dede1 (Deridegul) kept hitting on this link between Ijaw sudden appearance in Southern Nigeria and the appearance of Portuguese slave ships!

Igboid:


Yes I saw it, the Portuguese ship part.

Could that be the confirmation of what we have always suspected, which is that Ijaws are truly descendants of ship porters from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana,Togo and other coastal West Africa, who accompanied the Portuguese ships to our shores?

I remember Dede1 (Deridegul) kept hitting on this link between Ijaw sudden appearance in Southern Nigeria and the appearance of Portuguese slave ships!

Who is Dede1?
Nna, I am the one pointing that fact out since time immemorial

BKayy:

Who is Dede1?
Nna, I am the one pointing that fact out since time immemorial

There is an old timer here, a Biafra civil war veteran by the name Dede1.
As early as 2007, he came up with the theory on this forum that Ijaws were porters who accompanied Portuguese slave ships from Sierra Leone and Ghana to our coasts in Niger Delta.
It appeared outlandish and out of place then.

Igboid:


There is an old timer here, a Biafra civil war veteran by the name Dede1.
As early as 2007, he came up with the theory on this forum that Ijaws were porters who accompanied Portuguese slave ships from Sierra Leone and Ghana to our coasts in Niger Delta.
It appeared outlandish and out of place then.

Wow. This is interesting. They say great minds think alike.
I am not surprised

BKayy:

Wow. This is interesting. They say great minds think alike.
I am not surprised

But why did all the early anthropologists all ignored this fact.
Why did none of them mention it!
I mean, a simple look at Ijaw skin color and their language shows that they are aliens and not native to southern NIGERIA.
They have nothing in common with the Indigenous Edoid, Igboid,Yoruboid and Ibibiod Aboriginals of Southern Nigeria.
Their language also sticks out.
European porters brought them to our shores, yet they mysteriously failed to record and state it clearly in all their memoirs.

Something is fishy.

What do you think?

https://www.nairaland.com/500126/true-extent-alaigbo-igboland/8

This is an old thread on Igbo true extent which ended in hot debate on Opobo and Bonny.
We couldn't finish the job then because Ijaws had a spy in ChinenyeN who claimed Ngwa and worked greatly against Ndiigbo here undetected.
You could see Dede1 contributions on that thread as well.

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BKayy:

You just like writing nonsense.
When did Kalabari turn to Ijaw? Have you forgotten Boma of BBNaija that also confirmed that Kalabari being referred to as Ijaw is fallacy on national TV?

Maybe your stupidity is not yet cleared because you still call the place "Kalabari" which is a corrupted form of "New Calabar".
The real name of the place is "BOM" go and ask their Elders.

I am happy that you are the one that decided to expose the alien nature of Ijaw in between one Igbo clan of Oguta (Ugwu-nta) , Kalabari (Bom) etc.
I remember when we showed you people "Ụmụ Okirika" in Imo State and you were shocked. Atleast the breeze of truth now blows from all sides including you aliens.

cc SlayerForever, Ekealterego, Igboid[/s]

You have always been the most dumbest amongst your comrades.

Igboid:


Nope.
But it was stated that Aros accompanied them from old Calabar to their current location.
So we know that they had Igbo components right from the beginning, even before they had contacts with Ijaws.
Captain Crow confirmed that the King of New Calabar was of Igbo origin.
You can't rule a people if you don't settle amongst them.

The whole point is that New Calabar is a hybrid group, and in the future, Ndiigbo will never accept them being annexed by Ijaws.
We will insist they remain as an independent nation connecting the Igbos, Ibibios (Efik) and Ijaws as they use to be in the old Eastern region before the unfortunate events of 1967-70, and not claimed by Ijaws single handedly as has been the case since after 1970.

SMH

You still don't get the point,do you?

There were two versions,Efik and Ijo.The Aros conducted them to Bakana,it wasn't stated that the Aros settled with them.That's the Efik version.No Aro/Igbo connection.

However,the Ijo version is totally different.

The question is,what do the people call themselves?The continuous attempt by Igbos to force other ethnicities to identify with them reeks of desperation and inferiority complex.

Igboid:


I don't think the Krus are too small to have given birth to Ijaws when we think about it.
Krus number just about 1.1million people which is just about same population of real Ijaw of 4 LGAs in Bayelsa State and few more in Delta State.

Please there were never a navigable route from Nigeria to Arabia by sea or any water body at any point in time in history.

Ijaws are obviously late migrants to the South of the Igbo and Ibibio country from Western (Sierra Leone, Liberia, Togo, Ghana) direction.

No one said there is a route to Arabia by sea, I was just portraying an instance how people migrate to long distance in those days

Igboid:


I don't think the Krus are too small to have given birth to Ijaws when we think about it.
Krus number just about 1.1million people which is just about same population of real Ijaw of 4 LGAs in Bayelsa State and few more in Delta State.

Please there were never a navigable route from Nigeria to Arabia by sea or any water body at any point in time in history.

Ijaws are obviously late migrants to the South of the Igbo and Ibibio country from Western (Sierra Leone, Liberia, Togo, Ghana) direction.

And speak the truth bro.
The 1.1 million Krus spread across Liberia, ivory coast and sierraleon.
3 countries!
You're trying to make it seem like it's one.
The ijaws
Are close to 20million in Nigeriaaking them the 4th largest Ethnicity in the country.

Igboid:


Yes I saw it, the Portuguese ship part.

Could that be the confirmation of what we have always suspected, which is that Ijaws are truly descendants of ship porters from Sierra Leone, Liberia, Ghana,Togo and other coastal West Africa, who accompanied the Portuguese ships to our shores?

I remember Dede1 (Deridegul) kept hitting on this link between Ijaw sudden appearance in Southern Nigeria and the appearance of Portuguese slave ships!

You really get comprehension problem.

You are incorrigible!

I thought I could teach/groom sense into you.I give up!

You are doomed!