dupyshoo:
Check the last subheading https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/visiting-or-moving-to-england/moving-to-england-from-outside-the-european-economic-area-eea/

I did dependant visa for my UK born kid because I had to take him out of UK. I did not have to do ILR for him. I just registered him as British immediately after I got ILR.

Thank you sis. Never knew that could skip the ILR. What if one isn't planning to take the kids out? Will there be any issue

fatima04:


Both parents needs to apply together when coming with a minor and sign the consent letter. Your oga can come afterwards.

Only caveat to the above is widowed, divorced or single parent and you need to demonstrate sole responsibility for the child with court orders etc

Thanks Fatima, if i understand clearly, myself and my spouse will apply for the visa, once granted, I can come alone with my baby and he joins later abi?

It was not an issue previously so far the child is not going out of the UK. Now, you are expected to pay for the child's IHS after 3 months. This makes it mandatory to apply for the visa. I am not sure you can pay for IHS without applying. What I am also not sure of is what happens if the child uses NHS without paying. Will it stop the child from being registered as British?

fatima04:


Thank you sis. Never knew that could skip the ILR. What if one isn't planning to take the kids out? Will there be any issue

mumzt:
Awesome. We'll done mamatukwas, long overdue thread.

Here alone with 3 kids all under 8. husband is in Nigeria and just shuffles. Schooling and working without breaking a single rule. I hope to contribute as much as possible

Super human!

[quote author=dupyshoo post=110964250]It was not an issue previously so far the child is not going out of the UK. Now, you are expected to pay for the child's IHS after 3 months. This makes it mandatory to apply for the visa. I am not sure you can pay for IHS without applying. What I am also not sure of is what happens if the child uses NHS without paying. Will it stop the child from being registered as British?

What if the parents are on health and care visa where you do not have to pay for IHS?

This is interesting.

Following . . . . . . . . . .

MabraO:


Children raised here without shouting are worst then their Counterpart in Nigeria.
You must be a good parent and teach your kids discipline that’s is what is lacking in uk all kids lack discipline and common sense is very far from them.

Based on what statistics?


The kids that killed silverster were not shouted at?

Stop the generalisation.

There are good people there are bad people, for the most part external influences, peer pressure etc has more effect on a kids life that home training and parenthood

Any information on Montessori schooling, home schooling and alternative education.

To all the northerners na gaisheku, I am from Kwara but grew up in Niger and served in Sokoto.

So basically kuka runs through my veins

@ticha
@fatima04

fatima04:


It doesn't influence ILR ir citizenship especially for Tier 2 visa holders
. The major advantage to not adding her to your visa is saving Tier 2 visa fees, biometric fees, ILR and reduced citizenship cost. Adding this up for the child could be almost £4000 or more depending on how long you have got before you are due for ILR.

If you don't intend travelling out of the UK with her anytime soon. You can chill and if you see a need then simply apply.

The baby would not be denied care or schooling for any reason as she was born here.

Thanks for the response.

umarwy:
Any information on Montessori schooling, home schooling and alternative education.

To all the northerners na gaisheku, I am from Kwara but grew up in Niger and served in Sokoto.

So basically kuka runs through my veins

@ticha
@fatima04

Chai! You're making me hungry now. I want tuwo!


The biggest problem with home schooling is balancing it with work. Plus if your child is already registered at school, it puts you on Children's Services radar for about a year and they MAY do random visits, request information etc (that was the time frame before I left). Home schooling parents also sometimes get viewed with distrust by the system. Their first thought is always that the parent is hiding something �
You will also need to find and slot into your local home schooling community. In Norfolk and Bristol where we lived, those communities were also very full of the pushy vegans, non vaxxers, off grid, sometimes government hating kind of people and omo, I can't fit shout abeg �. If you end up using tutors, then it becomes not only expensive but time consuming plus you become an employer on top of it.
I'm not a big fan of Montessori or Steiner mainly because with a bit of time and money, you can replicate their methods yourself so why pay for it? Especially at early years and early primary level.

Saying that, I am seriously contemplating home educating my children at secondary level so we can do some long term travel. Husbot is not quite on board yet... I have met some very well learned home schooled children but they were gifted and taking them out of school enabled them thrive as school held them back.
I would love a US style system where they have charter schools - mix of regular school, home school, online school and pipeline can puck and choose.

Ticha:


Chai! You're making me hungry now. I want tuwo!


The biggest problem with home schooling is balancing it with work. Plus if your child is already registered at school, it puts you on Children's Services radar for about a year and they MAY do random visits, request information etc (that was the time frame before I left). Home schooling parents also sometimes get viewed with distrust by the system. Their first thought is always that the parent is hiding something �
You will also need to find and slot into your local home schooling community. In Norfolk and Bristol where we lived, those communities were also very full of the pushy vegans, non vaxxers, off grid, sometimes government hating kind of people and omo, I can't fit shout abeg �. If you end up using tutors, then it becomes not only expensive but time consuming plus you become an employer on top of it.
I'm not a big fan of Montessori or Steiner mainly because with a bit of time and money, you can replicate their methods yourself so why pay for it? Especially at early years and early primary level.

Saying that, I am seriously contemplating home educating my children at secondary level so we can do some long term travel. Husbot is not quite on board yet... I have met some very well learned home schooled children but they were gifted and taking them out of school enabled them thrive as school held them back.
I would love a US style system where they have charter schools - mix of regular school, home school, online school and pipeline can puck and choose.

Thanks for the info, for tueo you can get gero and dawa flour from Asian shops, I make fura and kunu tsamiya with them often, masa as well using Jasmin rice and tanda bought from Amazon.


For the Montessori, I was thinking more of implementing the principles at home or within a small group of friends/community.

Home schooling can be tasking true, but I believe with proper planning and scheduling it could work. I saw a family of 4 traveling round Europe in a van while both parents work remotely and home school the two kids as well. So with proper dedication it should work out.

umarwy:


For the Montessori, I was thinking more of implementing the principles at home or within a small group of friends/community.

Home schooling can be tasking true, but I believe with proper planning and scheduling it could work. I saw a family of 4 traveling round Europe in a van while both parents work remotely and home school the two kids as well. So with proper dedication it should work out.

Yes that's what I mean by implementing it yourself. When we do activities, we often get the children involved in the planning. For example my eldest and his father are going kayaking today. Yesterday, they sat, planned a route, dug out everything needed, checked the life vests (cleaned them, inflated them to check for holes, deflated them and packed it away), packed 2 personal locator beacons (1 for each person), sorted fishing supplies incase they decide to do some fishing - all the while chatting about how some people do this daily ie fishermen. That led to an almost 2 hour session into the life in parts of Alaska, Nunuvat, Greenland. So in an afternoon, we covered literature, history, geography, culture, added some maths and English in there, PSHE and life skills.

My biggest issue with home schooling multiple children as you rightly said is the planning and ensuring that each child's education needs and differentiation is met. Plus there are certain skills I absolutely do not have - music, advanced maths (if we're not counting money, count me out), majority of the sciences etc. For it to work well, we would have to be independently wealthy, both work part time or not at all. Living in a van will be my idea of hell . I want bed, TV, sofa, AC, constant internet everything!

I do want to take my kids travelling for at least 2 years. We're testing it out by travelling for the whole of term 3 this year. We will be in the UK for 6 weeks, US for 4 weeks and Canada for 3 weeks then head back home. The NZ education system promotes and allows parents to take kids out of school and will even pay $2700 to purchase education materials per child, per year. School will provide us with the necessary curriculum that we can follow. Obviously if in the UK, we would have to deregister them or we would be taken to court, fined and get criminal records if taken to court twice within a school year!

Saying that, we travel a lot and we often swap houses and have swapped/met many many home edders who travel full time. A close friend traveled for 6 years homes schooling her children - she worked as a photographer and he is a graphic designer. Once the children turned 16 and 14, they absolutely refused to travel anymore with their parents. They settled in Puglia to wait Covid out and are now in Lisbon. My husband's job can be fully remote but not mine as per I teach and have to do practical observations as part of my job. I can't wait to retire I swear!

You're indeed a true Ticha. Your responses are very detailed and well articulated. I so much enjoy reading every bit of all your insightful contributions. A big thank you to You, @mamatukwa for creating this thread and everyone that has contributed so far. The wealth of knowledge available on this platform is nobody's mate at all. Gracias All!


[quote author=Ticha post=110985858]

Yes that's what I mean by implementing it yourself. When we do activities, we often get the children involved in the planning. For example my eldest and his father are going kayaking today. Yesterday, they sat, planned a route, dug out everything needed, checked the life vests (cleaned them, inflated them to check for holes, deflated them and packed it away), packed 2 personal locator beacons (1 for each person), sorted fishing supplies incase they decide to do some fishing - all the while chatting about how some people do this daily ie fishermen. That led to an almost 2 hour session into the life in parts of Alaska, Nunuvat, Greenland. So in an afternoon, we covered literature, history, geography, culture, added some maths and English in there, PSHE and life skills.

Mamatukwas:


The language issue gives me headache I won’t lie. I’ve heard the way is to speak the language you want them to learn exclusively at home but it’s not easy. People that are doing it successfully should show us the way.

I currently do this with my Son and he understands yoruba fluently and can speak in the correct accent decently for his age.

Here's what I did:

1. Only speak in Yoruba at home. The first 1-2 month will be hard for you, but you MUST make conscious effort.

2. For children who don't currently speak, you say things in English and then repeat it in Yoruba for every sentence. This is very important. You have to do this over and over and over again.

3. When it's raining, I sing "Ojo nro...sere ninu ile", when I am bathing him, I sing "we ki o mo, get ekana re". When driving in the car, I sing "Labe igi orombo" I make this constant practice etc.

4. Teach them body parts. e.g. Head, shoulder knees & Toes (then you proceed to teach other things). The other day, I saw a flower on our way back from school, I simply said to him...Ki leleyi? he goes...flower...I said...Ododo....and asked him to repeat it (note - I say this in yoruba to him).

5. I do a 30 minutes class for my son weekly. We have Alawiye (I got someone to buy it from Nigeria). I also bought some yoruba books on Amazon (e.g. "Iresi was nile" is a good one), and we read it 1 - 2 weekly. I would do more, but I am always very busy with work.

6. I never ever speak English (except when I am angry with what the they do, and my "Englishness" switches in). It's always Yoruba. Even to the toddler who can't speak yet, I say everything to him in Yoruba. At 1, he understands "was gba" (come and take).

7. Sign up to "cultureTree" on Youtube, they have some decent songs in Yoruba (if you are Yoruba). There are some great Igbo youtube channels too.

8. I am a sucker for King Sunny Ade, Ebenezer Obey (and even have some old Vinyl records owned by my dad and inherited by me), so I play them on my Turntable and I sing it. My son (4 years) sings "asiko mi tito" by Ebenezer Obey (not very fluently, but he understands it and dance to it.

9. Teach them Yoruba alphabets. Let them know how different it is from the English Alphabets.

10. Watch Yoruba movies with them. No, I don't mean "Yorubawood" Those ones are trash. Look for deep-rooted amazing Yoruba films e.g. Any Tunde Kelani or Kunle Afolayan based yoruba movies should be ideal.

11. Patience: You must be patient. You must be resilient. You must keep at it, when you do, after one year, it will pay off.


My goal is to ensure my kids can speak very fluently with a proper Yoruba accent (without Britishness) and be able to read and write it without any issues. I don't even bother teaching them English. They will learn that without stress in school.

Vicas2000:


I currently do this with my Son and he understands yoruba fluently and can speak in the correct accent decently for his age.

Here's what I did:

1. Only speak in Yoruba at home. The first 1-2 month will be hard for you, but you MUST make conscious effort.

2. For children who don't currently speak, you say things in English and then repeat it in Yoruba for every sentence. This is very important. You have to do this over and over and over again.

3. When it's raining, I sing "Ojo nro...sere ninu ile", when I am bathing him, I sing "we ki o mo, get ekana re". When driving in the car, I sing "Labe igi orombo" I make this constant practice etc.

4. Teach them body parts. e.g. Head, shoulder knees & Toes (then you proceed to teach other things). The other day, I saw a flower on our way back from school, I simply said to him...Ki leleyi? he goes...flower...I said...Ododo....and asked him to repeat it (note - I say this in yoruba to him).

5. I do a 30 minutes class for my son weekly. We have Alawiye (I got someone to buy it from Nigeria). I also bought some yoruba books on Amazon (e.g. "Iresi was nile" is a good one), and we read it 1 - 2 weekly. I would do more, but I am always very busy with work.

6. I never ever speak English (except when I am angry with what the they do, and my "Englishness" switches in). It's always Yoruba. Even to the toddler who can't speak yet, I say everything to him in Yoruba. At 1, he understands "was gba" (come and take).

7. Sign up to "cultureTree" on Youtube, they have some decent songs in Yoruba (if you are Yoruba). There are some great Igbo youtube channels too.

8. I am a sucker for King Sunny Ade, Ebenezer Obey (and even have some old Vinyl records owned by my dad and inherited by me), so I play them on my Turntable and I sing it. My son (4 years) sings "asiko mi tito" by Ebenezer Obey (not very fluently, but he understands it and dance to it.

9. Teach them Yoruba alphabets. Let them know how different it is from the English Alphabets.

10. Watch Yoruba movies with them. No, I don't mean "Yorubawood" Those ones are trash. Look for deep-rooted amazing Yoruba films e.g. Any Tunde Kelani or Kunle Afolayan based yoruba movies should be ideal.

11. Patience: You must be patient. You must be resilient. You must keep at it, when you do, after one year, it will pay off.


My goal is to ensure my kids can speak very fluently with a proper Yoruba accent (without Britishness) and be able to read and write it without any issues. I don't even bother teaching them English. They will learn that without stress in school.

Love it so much!!! Well done. You’ve given me ginger to try harder.

Vicas2000:


I currently do this with my Son and he understands yoruba fluently and can speak in the correct accent decently for his age.

l.

Thanks for this ... I would have to sitdown and read this word for word ....lol. I love how you are intentional about this topic

I agree with speaking your language at home. My lil one got interested in learning just so she could do "aproko" and understand our discussions.
YouTube has also been an amazing way for her to learn - knows more Naija songs than I do now.

Vicas2000:


I currently do this with my Son and he understands yoruba fluently and can speak in the correct accent decently for his age.

Here's what I did:

1. Only speak in Yoruba at home. The first 1-2 month will be hard for you, but you MUST make conscious effort.

2. For children who don't currently speak, you say things in English and then repeat it in Yoruba for every sentence. This is very important. You have to do this over and over and over again.

3. When it's raining, I sing "Ojo nro...sere ninu ile", when I am bathing him, I sing "we ki o mo, get ekana re". When driving in the car, I sing "Labe igi orombo" I make this constant practice etc.

4. Teach them body parts. e.g. Head, shoulder knees & Toes (then you proceed to teach other things). The other day, I saw a flower on our way back from school, I simply said to him...Ki leleyi? he goes...flower...I said...Ododo....and asked him to repeat it (note - I say this in yoruba to him).

5. I do a 30 minutes class for my son weekly. We have Alawiye (I got someone to buy it from Nigeria). I also bought some yoruba books on Amazon (e.g. "Iresi was nile" is a good one), and we read it 1 - 2 weekly. I would do more, but I am always very busy with work.

6. I never ever speak English (except when I am angry with what the they do, and my "Englishness" switches in). It's always Yoruba. Even to the toddler who can't speak yet, I say everything to him in Yoruba. At 1, he understands "was gba" (come and take).

7. Sign up to "cultureTree" on Youtube, they have some decent songs in Yoruba (if you are Yoruba). There are some great Igbo youtube channels too.

8. I am a sucker for King Sunny Ade, Ebenezer Obey (and even have some old Vinyl records owned by my dad and inherited by me), so I play them on my Turntable and I sing it. My son (4 years) sings "asiko mi tito" by Ebenezer Obey (not very fluently, but he understands it and dance to it.

9. Teach them Yoruba alphabets. Let them know how different it is from the English Alphabets.

10. Watch Yoruba movies with them. No, I don't mean "Yorubawood" Those ones are trash. Look for deep-rooted amazing Yoruba films e.g. Any Tunde Kelani or Kunle Afolayan based yoruba movies should be ideal.

11. Patience: You must be patient. You must be resilient. You must keep at it, when you do, after one year, it will pay off.


My goal is to ensure my kids can speak very fluently with a proper Yoruba accent (without Britishness) and be able to read and write it without any issues. I don't even bother teaching them English. They will learn that without stress in school.

LagosismyHome:


Thanks for this ... I would have to sitdown and read this word for word ....lol. I love how you are intentional about this topic

Thank you, it's a continuous process. You can't give up.

Your kids may laugh at the start. Some outsiders may laugh at the start...when they see you trying to do this. but don't give up. They will eventually learn and warm up to it.

Vicas2000:


Thank you, it's a continuous process. You can't give up.

Your kids may laugh at the start. Some outsiders may laugh at the start...when they see you trying to do this. but don't give up. They will eventually learn and warm up to it.

I started this morning and I think that saying something in the language and repeating it in English helped. .... it got them interested to repeat back. THANKS

LagosismyHome:


I started this morning and I think that saying something in the language and repeating it in English helped. .... it got them interested to repeat back. THANKS

I am so glad you are using this technique. The more you do this, the easier it gets.

Also, don't berate them if they mix English and Local language together. e.g. If Yoruba, they might say things like "Mo fe eat food". Just smile and say well done!!!!...and then say it correctly...."Mo fe je ounje" and ask them to repeat it.

It is in the "asking to repeat" that they learn to speak.

To everyone else reading this, note that being able to speak a local language is different from being able to understand. They are two different skills. to learn to speak, they have to repeat words verbally. The more they repeat, the more they understand.

Also, when they pronounce with a British "intonation", make sure you correct them to speak the correct "intonation".

P.S. Forgive my using "Yoruba" as example, just using my own experience. Just relate it to your language if you are not Yoruba.

mimilyrics:
I agree with speaking your language at home. My lil one got interested in learning just so she could do "aproko" and understand our discussions.
YouTube has also been an amazing way for her to learn - knows more Naija songs than I do now.

This is the only downside lol. You have to live with that, unfortunately.

By the way @mimilyrics, thanks for your numerous contribution in the UK Visa thread in the past. I used some of your tips for a family member and it worked. Blessings from this side.

True! I've been filtering and coding my naija lingua when it's something I do t want her to know. Lol!
I'm glad that it worked out. #BigHug

Vicas2000:


This is the only downside lol. You have to live with that, unfortunately.

By the way @mimilyrics, thanks for your numerous contribution in the UK Visa thread in the past. I used some of your tips for a family member and it worked. Blessings from this side.

mimilyrics:
True! I've been filtering and coding my naija lingua when it's something I do t want her to know. Lol!
I'm glad that it worked out. #BigHug

Hi mimilyrics , sorry this is off topic but I just need your opinion

From your posts, it seems like you work in the health field. Please I got offers to study nursing in Kingston and Bournemouth university. I’ve been finding it difficult to pick one. Please do you have any idea or experience with these universities or the city

Thank you

Im' widowed and coming to the UK hopefully by Sept. with my 2 kids ages 6 and 10.
Do I require sole custody order or my late Husband's death cert can suffice. Secondly, how easy is it for a parent with kids without the other partner to school and work in UK.

Your candid opinion is highly solicited please.

fatima04:


Both parents needs to apply together when coming with a minor and sign the consent letter. Your oga can come afterwards.

Only caveat to the above is widowed, divorced or single parent and you need to demonstrate sole responsibility for the child with court orders etc

isialo:
Im' widowed and coming to the UK hopefully by Sept. with my 2 kids ages 6 and 10.
Do I require sole custody order or my late Husband's death cert can suffice. Secondly, how easy is it for a parent with kids without the other partner to school and work in UK.

Your candid opinion is highly solicited please.

A widowed friend came to the uk this January with her kids. So let me chip in what she did, might help.

She was asked for the husband's death certificate, funds for nanny/carer for the child that was under age. She has 2 teenagers and 1 8 year old.

She also got interviewed by ukvi and was asked about the funds, why she wants to go, why she wants to go with the kids.

She said funds were from late husband's Estate, she doesn't want the children far from her since she's the only surviving parent they have, then she was asked about her course and statement of purpose too.

I'm sorry i'm unable to advise on which you should take. Weigh both offers and pick the one that appeals more to you.

Safeob27:


Hi mimilyrics , sorry this is off topic but I just need your opinion

From your posts, it seems like you work in the health field. Please I got offers to study nursing in Kingston and Bournemouth university. I’ve been finding it difficult to pick one. Please do you have any idea or experience with these universities or the city

Thank you

isialo:
Im' widowed and coming to the UK hopefully by Sept. with my 2 kids ages 6 and 10.
Do I require sole custody order or my late Husband's death cert can suffice. Secondly, how easy is it for a parent with kids without the other partner to school and work in UK.

Your candid opinion is highly solicited please.

To add to what @mumzt said. Your kids will be in school full day. You should be reasonably okay with schooling. But as you’re not legally allowed to do more than 20hours during term time, I’ll advice you come with as much cash as possible for when you can’t work.

Plus start early to gain skills and position yourself for remote work. That way you can manage.

Thanks for this "expo" I wouldn't have thought UKVI will interview me. U have really boosted my morale with this insight. I appreciate.

mumzt:


A widowed friend came to the uk this January with her kids. So let me chip in what she did, might help.

She was asked for the husband's death certificate, funds for nanny/carer for the child that was under age. She has 2 teenagers and 1 8 year old.

She also got interviewed by ukvi and was asked about the funds, why she wants to go, why she wants to go with the kids.

She said funds were from late husband's Estate, she doesn't want the children far from her since she's the only surviving parent they have, then she was asked about her course and statement of purpose too.

Thanks @Mamatukwas, I appreciate.

Mamatukwas:


To add to what @mumzt said. Your kids will be in school full day. You should be reasonably okay with schooling. But as you’re not legally allowed to do more than 20hours during term time, I’ll advice you come with as much cash as possible for when you can’t work.

Plus start early to gain skills and position yourself for remote work. That way you can manage.

Well not entirely correct.
I came into the Uk with my son ( my husband didn’t apply with us), all I did was explained why my son had to come with me (he was a year old then and was still nursing) and why my husband was not joining us. I also showed correspondences between the Nursey I intended to enroll him in.

It possible but you have to prove your case and show you have the funds for Nursery fees if they are not yet of “free school age”.

Basically every situation is unique.

fatima04:


Both parents needs to apply together when coming with a minor and sign the consent letter. Your oga can come afterwards.

Only caveat to the above is widowed, divorced or single parent and you need to demonstrate sole responsibility for the child with court orders etc

Susom:
Well not entirely correct.
I came into the Uk with my son ( my husband didn’t apply with us), all I did was explained why my son had to come with me (he was a year old then and was still nursing) and why my husband was not joining us. I also showed correspondences between the Nursey I intended to enroll him in.

It possible but you have to prove your case and show you have the funds for Nursery fees if they are not yet of “free school age”.

Basically every situation is unique.

The embassy has rejected several based on how you stated it here.... it is not that easy at all of the other parent is not coming or single parent

Maybe you state what exactly was this in bold to tell the full story , because how you written it doesn't fly It has to be better exception reason ..... even their guidance document shows what fatima04 has said. It not that easy at all.