PoliteActivist:


You were not there. People don't say such things in isolation. There were a lifetime of words and events that preceded that statement. People who experienced all that, immediately KNEW what he meant.

Nope. Lord Jesus was there at the beginning of infinity, before there was time. He is, and has always been, part of God, NOT created.

PoliteActivist:


Meaning JW is polytheist

cornelboy:


The Bible itself teaches monolatrism;
We acknowledge the existence of many gods but Jehovah the one true God is Whom we worship.

cornelboy:

You were apparently not there too.
But use common sense na.
How could Jesus jumped from explaining his existence to claiming that he is the "I am"?

He was created cos God Himself said Jesus is His only begotten son.
He has the likeness and in the image of the Father, it shows that the Father existed first before him (Jehovah GOD has no beginning though).
Jesus had a beginning.

He didn't use the grammatically correct I WAS for a reason, and everybody there understood that. I wasn't there so I have to rely on what they and theologians down the centuries have known he meant.

He was begotten, NOT created. Meaning He was always part of God. "A part of God sent to earth" if you will

PoliteActivist:

PoliteActivist:


Nope. See below

cornelboy:


The message Jesus was conveying was that he has already been existing before their patriarch Abraham.
Compare "before Abraham was born I was ( existing)" and "before Abraham was born I am (existing)".

Biased people like Trinitarians that are looking for verses to support their uninspired doctrine could make it seem as if Jesus was claiming to be the Almighty GOD Jehovah.



At least we both agree that he's not from eternity to eternity like his Father.
How is he part of God, like God can't function alone without Jesus attached to Him?
Like when Jesus was on earth, GOD wasn't complete as God huh?

cornelboy:


Lol who wrote that article, I could do better than him/her.

The Bible emphasizes on existence of smaller gods and even says that Satan the devil is the god of this present world but ultimately declare Yahweh as the one true God. All other gods are false gods.

cornelboy:


The message Jesus was conveying was that he has already been existing before their patriarch Abraham.
Compare "before Abraham was born I was ( existing)" and "before Abraham was born I am (existing)".

Biased people like Trinitarians that are looking for verses to support their uninspired doctrine could make it seem as if Jesus was claiming to be the Almighty GOD Jehovah.



At least we both agree that he's not from eternity to eternity like his Father.
How is he part of God, like God can't function alone without Jesus attached to Him?
Like when Jesus was on earth, GOD wasn't complete as God huh?

No he is part of God sent to Earrth. If Mohammed were part of God - it'd mean he had the fullness of God and had always been with God and would go back to God after his mission

PoliteActivist:


No, you don't use God's name that they considered too sacred to say. You say: :"Before Abraham I WAS" and NOT "Before Abraham, Yaweh"!

PoliteActivist:


Semantics havr you confused . There is only one God (capital letters). That's the God we are discussing. Otherwise we are all gods, as the Bible says. But there is only ONE God in Christianity (of course). Not one and a half (Yaweh and Christ!) Lol

"Bfore Abraham was born, Yaweh"

No, he was existing no matter how far back you go. He was existing before there was time. That's what begining of eternity means.

PoliteActivist:



Everybody around understood perfectly well that's exactly what He was saying: the great I AM. Which they regarded so sacred they didn't even pronounce it. But not only did He pronounce it, He pronounced it in reference to Himself:

PoliteActivist:

Also Khadija, Muhammed's first wife, was never a Christian. See below

cornelboy:


Can you explain what this your incomplete sentence means?



So your now the great scientists that found time abi.

In God's eyes 1000 years is like 1 day to Him.
God has been from eternity to eternity. Our limited brain can't even grasp that. If God didn't create human beings then no humans will be here today.
It's a great privilege that we were created with lots of privileges.

Time started with God, it can't even be measured.
Don't come here and tell me stories.

Jesus was created in god's exact image and characteristics.
There was a time Jesus was not and god made him to be. He had a beginning!

MaxInDHouse:


So Muhammad and his wife though may not be Catholics butthey knew Catholicism before his so called revelation.
Simple as ABC, he learned forceful convertion of adherents from Catholics.
Therefore don't say he started it because it's established by the Roman Catholics and he copied forceful convertion from them!

PoliteActivist:

My brother you strike me as someone who doesn't read much and who doesn't consider things in depth.
You accept whatever you are taught without questioning.
You were told Khadija was Catholic. You were told Muhammed learnt conversion from Catholics and that he never had any revelation. Why not go and READ how these things transpired so you’ll realise how misguided you are!

MaxInDHouse:

It's not about been told but thorough meditation on what we read because it might be true or false.
The people you are quoting weren't there so they can't truly know what happened back then. We all know that Muhammad referred to all the prophets and characters in the Bible which indicates that he already knew about the stories in the Bible, if not from the Catholics then through whom?
Catholicism existed before Muhammad started his religion and according to the Bible book of Revelation God is no longer revealing anything to anyone again. NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION! Revelations 22:18-19

So even though we're not there when all these things happened we can get some facts from the events that follows.
Muhammad established another religion, claimed that an angel (Gabriel) revealed it to him, organized people to believe in one God, told his followers so many things related to what's written in the Bible but emphasized on the point that Jesus is just one of the prophets and that his own revelation (Qur'an) is the greatest and final message to mankind.
My friend, even a fool can sense that this Arab man fabricated all these things after learning from somewhere: CATHOLICS!

1) Matthew 1:23 :
“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”
(which means “God with us”)

2) John 10:33-34
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
(This is a claim you say he never made. You know better than people who were there!)

(So you see, I'm not hyping myself. It's in both new and old testaments)

So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’

God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’

3) "I AM", the way Christ said it, translates Yaweh, regarded so sacred that Jews didn't utter it. See below

4) You asked that I explain the incomplete statement. The statement is not incomplete. Yaweh means I AM. so sacred Jews didn't utter it

5) Fullness of God: example: a piece of bread has fullness of bread

Now stop making baseless arguments and find something to do with your life

PoliteActivist:

34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law
"I have said you are “gods”

PoliteActivist:


See what I said about not reading much and not considering things in depth. Someone put Catholics in your head and the thought that Muhammad never had any revelation, and you just keep on repeating it.
It is a matter of HISTORICAL RECORD, not as in the case of Lord Jesus where some ignorant people keep saying he has no historical existence.
I'll conclude with you same way I concluded with my other friend: ONCE AND FOR ALL:

1) Arabs and Jews have the same ancestor: Ibrahim

2) Mecca is not far from Israel. Both are in the Middle East

3) Muhammad could nether read nor write, which was why he could only recite the Koran.

4) An illiterate person like Muhammad couldn't have independently come up with the language and practices in the Koran.

5) Muhammad was wealthy with a comfortable life. He had no reason to found a religion

6) His wife Khadija narrated his terrified state after the revelation, and how he couldn't talk about it to outsiders for 3 years.

7) Muhammad was offered rulership of Mecca if he would abandon the religion. He was doing it neither for money nor power

Because of the religion, he went from being comfortable to being an uncomfortable refugee.
Why would he give up everything for fake Islam he made up?

9) Hitory is replete with people forced to worship. You were given two biblical examples, yet u keep repeating it started with "CATHOLICS"!

10) Some of the physical practices if Islam are actually scientifically beneficial to a human being who practices them. How would illiterate Muhammad know this?

11) God told Musa (Moses) to remove his shoes because he was in a holy place. I wonder why Christians and Jews don't remove their shoes when they go into a place of prayer.

Conclusion: Muhammad did receive a revelation. We are not sure exactly from whom.

As I told my other friend, now stop making baseless arguments and find something to do with your life!

PoliteActivist:


See what I said about not reading much and not considering things in depth. Someone put Catholics in your head and the thought that Muhammad never had any revelation, and you just keep on repeating it.
It is a matter of HISTORICAL RECORD, not as in the case of Lord Jesus where some ignorant people keep saying he has no historical existence.
I'll conclude with you same way I concluded with my other friend: ONCE AND FOR ALL:

1) Arabs and Jews have the same ancestor: Ibrahim

2) Mecca is not far from Israel. Both are in the Middle East

3) Muhammad could nether read nor write, which was why he could only recite the Koran.

4) An illiterate person like Muhammad couldn't have independently come up with the language and practices in the Koran.

5) Muhammad was wealthy with a comfortable life. He had no reason to found a religion

6) His wife Khadija narrated his terrified state after the revelation, and how he couldn't talk about it to outsiders for 3 years.

7) Muhammad was offered rulership of Mecca if he would abandon the religion. He was doing it neither for money nor power

Because of the religion, he went from being comfortable to being an uncomfortable refugee.
Why would he give up everything for fake Islam he made up?

9) Hitory is replete with people forced to worship. You were given two biblical examples, yet u keep repeating it started with "CATHOLICS"!

10) Some of the physical practices if Islam are actually scientifically beneficial to a human being who practices them. How would illiterate Muhammad know this?

11) God told Musa (Moses) to remove his shoes because he was in a holy place. I wonder why Christians and Jews don't remove their shoes when they go into a place of prayer.

Conclusion: Muhammad did receive a revelation. We are not sure exactly from whom.

As I told my other friend, now stop making baseless arguments and find something to do with your life!

MaxInDHouse:


Nobody forced you in here to start arguing Sir!


Muhammad was a SERVANT (ERRAND BOY) of Kadyjat, he was 25 when Kadyjat (40) chose to make him her man.
I know you don't believe the Bible from the beginning since you said God's word contradicts itself. After the Bible book of Revelation God never revealed anything to any human again so muhammad fabricated all what is called Qu'ran.

Next time you want to argue don't do so blindly because you've failed woefully once you don't believe in God's word!

badboyTee:
why did he had sex with a kid ?

badboyTee:

can't your Jesus come defend your post instead of you

MaxInDHouse:

NO!
This isn't about defending but showing you the only way the world can have peace!

The Bible called Jesus "Prince of Peace" Isaiah 9:6

So whether you believe or not all you need to stop people from speaking about Jesus is to present a better way mankind can cohabit peacefully and Jesus will be forgotten for good.

But in the absence of that my friend peaceloving people will always talk about Jesus of Nazareth the most wonderful counselor of all time! John 14:6

badboyTee:

stfu have you seen Mr carpenter before?

MaxInDHouse:


Do you need to see Benjamin Franklin before you make use of electricity?
Do you need to see the Wright Brothers before boarding a flight?

My friend, it's the good WORKS founders did that makes people to keep remembering them not because we can see them!

cornelboy:

How does this prove that God is more than one person?



Jesus made the claim that Jehovah is his direct Father. He never claimed to be the God of the Jews, Yahweh.
The Jews didn't understand that Jesus had a preexistence and he's divine and thought that he was mere man like them.
So Jesus claiming to be son of GOD (not God the Father Himself) is something they couldn't take in. They reason that if he's God's son, definitely he is a God himself.


John 10:34-36
[34]Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’

[35]And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’
[36]why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world.


I the KJV Bible English is twisting your big head with small brain pls change to other version with simpler English.



Your not a God, stop deceiving yourself.
I have all these figured out a couple years ago.

Your still baby in god's word, you'll still learn.



Yeah that's right.
The godly "I AM" would not doubt have the same Hebrew word with general "I am" (I'm) used in any Hebrew sentence.
Just like your proved yesterday. When Jesus said "I am the light of the world", Yahweh featured again. But a sane and smart person will know that Jesus was not claiming the god's name "I AM" in the above sentence but rather telling his listener that he's the light of the word.

Also Jesus couldn't be explaining something about his existence to his listeners and just jumped to say Yahweh. It doesn't make any sense it's incoherent.
I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I AM (Yahweh)

If he was claiming God's name he would just say "I am the I AM".
Use your head this thing no hard na.


Pls learn from the above



Which verses in the Bible says Jesus had the fullness of GOD?



Sorry I can feel your frustration. I have been backing my point with scriptures unlike that depends on people's opinions on Google.
Thanks for the advice though

MaxInDHouse:


Nobody forced you in here to start arguing Sir!


Muhammad was a SERVANT (ERRAND BOY) of Kadyjat, he was 25 when Kadyjat (40) chose to make him her man.
I know you don't believe the Bible from the beginning since you said God's word contradicts itself. After the Bible book of Revelation God never revealed anything to any human again so muhammad fabricated all what is called Qu'ran.

Next time you want to argue don't do so blindly because you've failed woefully once you don't believe in God's word!

badboyTee:
tell me one good religion has done in this world

badboyTee:

tell me one good religion has done in this world

badboyTee:
why did he had sex with a kid ?