ChristoBam:

You mentioned his age, but there's a reason players at that age are usually not on those kinds of contracts except they're on that Mbappe level.

At that point Rashford was given that contract, he hadn't done anything spectacular. Just been a good young player that could develop to be a huge star. There's a reason you don't give players at that stage those kinds of huge contracts.

All those decisions are affecting the club today. Rashford has been shit this season and his contract is up for renewal now. We'll have to renew the bumper contract of an underperforming player. Other option is to sell him for a low price. Cuz no club will come in to pay 70m for him, then pay 250k in wages.

If Martial was on 120k-150k, we'd have sold him since. But with his present salary, we couldn't even get a loan fee.

that's true but Rashford is not a mediocre player

ChristoBam:
Give the young talented players, the normal baseline salary. When they get to that level they're getting real links(not speculations) with top clubs and they're playing at a high level consistently, then you can offer those huge contracts to tie them down.

Dele Alli would be stuck at this club,earning 350k weekly if he was a United played.

Absolutely spot on.

Ennyjay69:
we would have coped with another method,we are currently coping with attackers that can't even score 10 league goals

Your players are putting in the work, that is very evident. Ours couldn't be arsed about that, small adversity and they down tools or completely give up on the pitch.

With the set of players we have right now, the Tuchel's, the Klopp's and the Pep's of this world would struggle to achieve anything meaningful with them.

In hindsight, much can't be argued about Mourinho's quote of coming 2nd with this team being his best achievement.

ChristoBam:

Yeah, the biggest Club in Netherlands by a mile was rebuilt after losing so many players. Shocking!

And you mean the beautiful football that has been existent years before Ten Haag got there?

This is what many people fail to realize, Ajax is the biggest Club in Netherlands and by extension they can play in any "Big five" league in europe without dropping below ten on the league table, any coach that be in charge of such a team will be judged as tactical coach, Brendan Rodgers is winning Scottish league back to back in Scotland, the question is can he (Rodgers) make top 4 in England?

ChristoBam:

I just thought about something. If Pogba decides today, he wants to stay at United. He'll be signing that new 5 years contract tonight? Even without the approval of the incoming manager?
Nothing is going to ever change at this club.

I think that ship has sailed, him leaving is good for both parties.

afrodoc:


Forget that thing. It is difficult for a manager to succeed without a structured midfield. Xavi inherited Busquets, De Jong, and potentially the most gifted set of Spanish midfielders since Xavi and his set.

Also in modern football you will get no where with players with low work rate and who refuse to play in any way that is inconvenient to them. No manager will succeed with our structureless midfield and dysfunctional set of players. The structureless midfield might have had a slim chance of being overcome but the lazy and overpaid players makes it mission impossible.

Even if Pep or Klopp come in the first thing they will do is offload 1/3 to 1/2 of the team over 2 transfer windows.

One thing I noticed about Man utd is that you guys are not are bad as y'all think.,

For the back, they just need to integrate Lindelof with varane. The few matches those few started together it's been great and less mistake.

In midfield (the key area), you've always been talking about Hannibal Mejbri. In fact mejbri name have been here before Elanga. Yet till now I haven't seen him in bench. Don't you think Hannibal can replace Mctom in that midfield.
If he has the work rate(plus passing) plus Fred who have the work rate and energy, then Bruno Fernandez game tweaked(we all know Bruno have the work rate cos he showed it in his first season)

Attack of Sancho Ronaldo and Elanga(,with the two wingers having work rate too).
To me I think that a good coach can still make use of this squad before improving on it with his own players.

Moreover it's surprising that you guys haven't promoted anyone from academy for the midfield since mctom

Jodera:
One thing I noticed about Man utd is that you guys are not are bad as y'all think.,

For the back, they just need to integrate Lindelof with varane. The few matches those few started together it's been great and less mistake.

In midfield (the key area), you've always been talking about Hannibal Mejbri. In fact mejbri name have been here before Elanga. Yet till now I haven't seen him in bench. Don't you think Hannibal can replace Mctom in that midfield.
If he has the work rate(plus passing) plus Fred who have the work rate and energy, then Bruno Fernandez game tweaked(we all know Bruno have the work rate cos he showed it in his first season)

Attack of Sancho Ronaldo and Elanga(,with the two wingers having work rate too).
To me I think that a good coach can still make use of this squad before improving on it with his own players.

Moreover it's surprising that you guys haven't promoted anyone from academy for the midfield since mctom

You noticed wrong then.

afrodoc:


ten Hag will struggle with these players. Poch will struggle even more. We have players with PSG players level of laziness and entitlement but with West Ham/ Spurs level of ability. Poch will shed bloody tears.

The culture of man u is gone. It's so sad how Man u players who was the epitome of hard workers is now full of social media freaks/sensations.

Ole do una strong thing sha

Ellexy:
You noticed wrong then.

Lol....
Individually, you guys can be improved with very good coach. Just a little tweak here and there.

We saw how tuchel improved Chelsea (esp rudiger) even when they all looked structureless before lampard sack

LostMyZeal:


Mehnn...I legit prefer to take my chances on that guy than any other manager


As for Chelsea fans, las las dem go use the receipts clean their dirty nyash when Ten Haag disappoint them

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Na so bro

Leyqute:


My comment wasn’t even about Xavi and Barca. It’s a general comment. And it applies to all top teams.

Man City, Liverpool, Bayern, etc.

If the players are not putting in the efforts…

If one player feels too big to do what’s asked of him…

… the system will not work.

Look at PSG and the wahala they are currently battling.
If Messi goes back to this Barcelona, is undroppable, and can’t be arsed to make an effort, they’ll crumble in no time.

This is apart from having the right players who, after putting in the effort, have the quality to play their positions well and execute their instructions correctly.

Quality has let Man Utd down too many times this season. See all the rubbish crosses they’ve been giving to Ronaldo? Ronaldo himself get for hand sef.

So, apart from having players who can’t be arsed to do their job, they also don’t have the quality to do their job well.

Oh ... Okayy
I get you now

20/21... 36G/A

19/20...34G/A

18/19... 23G/A

17/18...: 23G/A

16/17... 18G/A

Excluding this season that Ronaldo ruined ManU’s attackers, Rashford has 134G/A for the past 5 years.

Averaging atleast 25G/A per season.

Dead or alive, can someone list 3 ManU legendary strikers who achieved such statistical 5 years consistency for ManU.

Jodera:
One thing I noticed about Man utd is that you guys are not are bad as y'all think.,

For the back, they just need to integrate Lindelof with varane. The few matches those few started together it's been great and less mistake.

In midfield (the key area), you've always been talking about Hannibal Mejbri. In fact mejbri name have been here before Elanga. Yet till now I haven't seen him in bench. Don't you think Hannibal can replace Mctom in that midfield.
If he has the work rate(plus passing) plus Fred who have the work rate and energy, then Bruno Fernandez game tweaked(we all know Bruno have the work rate cos he showed it in his first season)

Attack of Sancho Ronaldo and Elanga(,with the two wingers having work rate too).
To me I think that a good coach can still make use of this squad before improving on it with his own players.

Moreover it's surprising that you guys haven't promoted anyone from academy for the midfield since mctom

as an interim, I think it is harder rallying players who already have a very poor mentality or approach. another thing is that the players know the manager will most likely be gone after 5 months anyways, why run for him?
in a showbiz team like Manchester United currently are, an interim can find it harder to enforce new discipline standards like a ban on social media for example, especially when it's quite clear that he doesn't have full authority, evidenced by your own illustration of Varane-Lindelof partnership. every busy baby know Rangnick will rather pay with 10 men than have this Maguire complete his matchday team.
excerpts of leaked team news and dressing room show downs, real or rumoured, demonstrate the level of respect, or better put, professionalism; inherent in the team.
the "get out if you want" stances maintained by Rangnick in pressers is a pointer to how much control he craves.
but like some have opined, the fault is not just from a single source.

ChristineC:
as an interim, I think it is harder rallying players who already have a very poor mentality or approach. another thing is that the players know the manager will most likely be gone after 5 months anyways, why run for him?
in a showbiz team like Manchester United currently are, an interim can find it harder to enforce new discipline standards like a ban on social media for example, especially when it's quite clear that he doesn't have full authority, evidenced by your own illustration of Varane-Lindelof partnership. every busy baby know Rangnick will rather pay with 10 men than have this Maguire complete his matchday team.
excerpts of leaked team news and dressing room show downs, real or rumoured, demonstrate the level of respect, or better put, professionalism; inherent in the team.
the "get out if you want" stances maintained by Rangnick in pressers is a pointer to how much control he craves.
but like some have opined, the fault is not just from a single source.

Yeah, it'll be very very difficult for an interim coack to enforce his style of play esp in this man u, reason why I no too blame rangnick. But I know for rangnick to bench Ronaldo, Bruno, Rashford and some ole untouchables then he has the guts and that's the kind of coach that is needed at Man u. A coach that will reset everybody's head and bench any underperforming player

Maybe, just maybe Carrick should have continued as the interim and seen the season off...

Ifs, But, What, How thread

MorataFC:
This is what many people fail to realize, Ajax is the biggest Club in Netherlands and by extension they can play in any "Big five" league in europe without dropping below ten on the league table, any coach that be in charge of such a team will be judged as tactical coach, Brendan Rodgers is winning Scottish league back to back in Scotland, the question is can he (Rodgers) make top 4 in England?

It's not even that I think Ten Haag can't work. But the hype and the man no match at all. When it comes to Ten Haag most people see only the great things. I mostly see the flaws and risks. The problems I have with Ten Haag.

1) Doesn't come off as really charismatic. If you listen to his interviews and think there's something you're not feeling but can't point it out. It's this. And you can get away with this at Ajax.

2) Ten Haag didn't build that team that got to the final. That's another false narrative drawn out in Ten Haag's favor. From De jong to De ligt to Ziyech to VDB to Neres. Those guys were already there. They make it look like he recruited them.

3) Ajax was in an ascendancy when he came in especially with all those promising players. They got to the Europa league final a year before Ten Haag was appointed. Even with wack Peter Bosz. Those player were already coming in and were about to enter their prime. We all saw their quality and style of play in that final. What saved us was poor finishing and naivity from Ajax.

4) There's an established structure at the club which Ten Haag met and worked with. From the academy, youth recruitment, everything. Structure that's non existent at this club. Structure that Ten Haag hasn't proved at any point he can establish.

ChristoBam:

It's not even that I think Ten Haag can't work. But the hype and the man no match at all. When it comes to Ten Haag most people see only the great things. I mostly see the flaws and risks. The problems I have with Ten Haag.

1) Doesn't come off as really charismatic. If you listen to his interviews and think there's something you're not feeling but can't point it out. It's this. And you can get away with this at Ajax.

2) Ten Haag didn't build that team that got to the final. That's another false narrative drawn out in Ten Haag's favor. From De jong to De ligt to Ziyech to VDB to Neres. Those guys were already there. They make it look like he recruited them.

3) Ajax was in an ascendancy when he came in especially with all those promising players. They got to the Europa league final a year before Ten Haag was appointed. Even with wack Peter Bosz. Those player were already coming in and were about to enter their prime. We all saw their quality and style of play in that final. What saved us was poor finishing and naivity from Ajax.

4) There's an established structure at the club which Ten Haag met and worked with. From the academy, youth recruitment, everything. Structure that's non existent at this club. Structure that Ten Haag hasn't proved at any point he can establish.

It's better you spend your energy promoting Poch than trying to run down ten Hag abi you no get anything to tell us about Poch?

It's like those silly folks in the politics section that rather abuse Tinubu instead of promoting their preferred choice for President...

The bolded is even laughable, is it the coaches job to build those structures?

ChristoBam, you claimed Feyenoord will expose Ajax, what was the score at full time? ten Hag is well ahead of your Poch...

patrickmuf:
It's better you spend your energy promoting Poch than trying to run down ten Hag abi you no get anything to tell us about Poch?

It's like those silly folks in the politics section that rather abuse Tinubu instead of promoting their preferred choice for President...

The bolded is even laughable, is it the coaches job to build those structures?

Why don't you tell that to the people that come here to slander Poch regularly for the past 3 years or so.

All we hear is Ten Haag this Ten Haag that, is it so uncomfortable to see the reality?

Coaches don't build structures? Different people are involved in building the structure and the manager plays an important part. Klopp has built a structure at Liverpool. The kind of players signed, the style of play, the type of youngsters that come into the team. All these are influenced by the coach.

patrickmuf:
ChristoBam, you claimed Feyenoord will expose Ajax, what was the score at full time? ten Hag is well ahead of your Poch...

Ha! Why the lies bro. Never said anything about Feyenoord exposing Ajax. Read what I said very well.
I said watch them play and you'll see they'll be dismantled by any good counter attacking side. At that point, the score was 1-1. Ajax had just equalized and I expected them to win.

Btwn, Ten Haag had an interview at Tottenham and wasn't hired. E get why.

Let's be the punks as always and go for him.

ChristoBam:
Btwn, Ten Haag had an interview at Tottenham and wasn't hired. E get why.

Let's be the punks as always and go for him.

Their loss then.

ChristoBam:

Why don't you tell that to the people that come here to slander Poch regularly for the past 3 years or so.

All we hear is Ten Haag this Ten Haag that, is it so uncomfortable to see the reality?

Coaches don't build structures? Different people are involved in building the structure and the manager plays an important part. Klopp has built a structure at Liverpool. The kind of players signed, the style of play, the type of youngsters that come into the team. All these are influenced by the coach.

There's a whole difference between a manager and coach. Fergie had a huge say in the running of the club away from the first team but it's not the same for other coaches.

Style of play is on the coach but when it comes to recruitment away from the first team, most coaches don't have a say certainly in Manchester United safe for recommendations which might be taken or not...There's a reason why Rangnick was offered a consultancy role and that's because the board are trying to do things the other way around after protest and criticism alike from fans...

As for the drags Poch has suffered, it's totally understandable as he has been given much hence the expectation. If PSG wins the UCL, no one will be surprised but if Ajax does it, expect the internet to explode...

For a club like Ajax, the expectation is a league win and a good cup run. As for the UCL, qualifying from the group stages and a good showing afterwards is the bare minimum...

ChristoBam:
Btwn, Ten Haag had an interview at Tottenham and wasn't hired. E get why.

Let's be the punks as always and go for him.

Same Spurs that appointed Nuno abi? Lol

patrickmuf:
There's a whole difference between a manager and coach. Fergie had a huge say in the running of the club away from the first team but it's not the same for other coaches.

Style of play is on the coach but when it comes to recruitment away from the first team, most coaches don't have a say certainly in Manchester United safe for recommendations which might be taken or not...There's a reason why Rangnick was offered a consultancy role and that's because the board are trying to do things the other way around after protest and criticism alike from fans...

As for the drags Poch has suffered, it's totally understandable as he has been given much hence the expectation. If PSG wins the UCL, no one will be surprised but if Ajax does it, expect the internet to explode...

For a club like Ajax, the expectation is a league win and a good cup run. As for the UCL, qualifying from the group stages and a good showing afterwards is the bare minimum...

They’re trying to change things, aren’t they? If you don’t believe they’ll change things, y’all won’t mention Ten Haag cuz it’ll be a disaster.

I’m not saying the manager really disturbs himself with recruitments away from the first team. But the manager decides the type of young players that will be brought in. The players that’ll make the first team and the ones that’ll move on.

Deciding the style of play alone affects every other part of the team structure. So the manager basically is responsible for the team structure. Will have to work with other. But the manager decides the direction and everything even though not directly in some aspects.

patrickmuf:


For a club like Ajax, the expectation is a league win and a good cup run. As for the UCL, qualifying from the group stages and a good showing afterwards is the bare minimum...

Good you mentioned getting out of the group stage as the bare minimum. Cuz I’m pretty sure he fell short of that the last 2 years. Was knocked out of the group stage in the last 2 years. Getting into the Europa league, you should at least do something good, right? Nah! Bro was knocked out of the round of 32.

What we’re basically doing is appointing a manger from the Dutch league that has met expectations. But not done anything so spectacular to deserve that jump.

patrickmuf:
Same Spurs that appointed Nuno abi? Lol

Yeah says a lot. We’ve not even interviewed Ten Haag. We might give give him the job without an interview. Cuz if we did an interview, we’d probably reach the same conclusion.

Even the Ajax job he got na trial and error. Couple of them were given 2 years contract back to back. Impress or be sacked. He impressed and the rest is history. But make we carry an come this huge mess of a club to get us challenging again, lmao.

Lana1:
Good night and gerrout

Why are you angry. Is there a problem?

Lana1:
That night Bayern flogged Barca 8-2, me and you argued and I asked if Flick could get our players to press like other top teams. You said it was a coaching problem. I said it is because the players are rubbish.

I'm happy you and many others can now see the light with these useless players we are parading.

A couple of them have been here since the days of LVG and they are still playing rubbish.

I just hope the next manager wont come in and be forced to use these guys. He should be given full authority to bin whoever thinks they are too big to play for the badge

This is one reason I want Raff advisory board to be true so bad. That man has a “Get the fûck outta here” attitude that most of our players need.

See the way the New Barca President told Dembele to go find a new club and all before January transfer window. See the way Dembele is playing now.

We need to be ruthless.

ChristoBam:

It's not even that I think Ten Haag can't work. But the hype and the man no match at all. When it comes to Ten Haag most people see only the great things. I mostly see the flaws and risks. The problems I have with Ten Haag.

1) Doesn't come off as really charismatic. If you listen to his interviews and think there's something you're not feeling but can't point it out. It's this. And you can get away with this at Ajax.

2) Ten Haag didn't build that team that got to the final. That's another false narrative drawn out in Ten Haag's favor. From De jong to De ligt to Ziyech to VDB to Neres. Those guys were already there. They make it look like he recruited them.

3) Ajax was in an ascendancy when he came in especially with all those promising players. They got to the Europa league final a year before Ten Haag was appointed. Even with wack Peter Bosz. Those player were already coming in and were about to enter their prime. We all saw their quality and style of play in that final. What saved us was poor finishing and naivity from Ajax.

4) There's an established structure at the club which Ten Haag met and worked with. From the academy, youth recruitment, everything. Structure that's non existent at this club. Structure that Ten Haag hasn't proved at any point he can establish.

Ten Haag did well as assistant manager to Pep at Bayern.

Ten Haag did well as coach at Go Ahead Eagles

Ten Haag killed it at Utrecht.

He is currently killing it at Ajax.

This is not a coincidence, the man is solid goods.

I'm ok with either of Ten Haag or Poch tbh (but I'm leaning towards Ten Haag). I try to be objective.

DeadPresidents:


Ten Haag did well as assistant manager to Pep at Bayern.

Ten Haag did well as coach at Go Ahead Eagles

Ten Haag killed it at Utrecht.

He is currently killing it at Ajax.

This is not a coincidence, the man is solid goods.

I'm ok with either of Ten Haag or Poch tbh (but I'm leaning towards Ten Haag). I try to be objective.

Are you sure ETH was Pep's assistant? I thought he coached the youth team at Bayern.