dryakson:

We have authentic hadith and those hadith that is not authentic

yellowman2225:



I don't have strength to start picking all these your taqiya above.

You said constitution permits everyone to practice their religion. Anything that's against constitution, constitution overules it.

The hisba law is smaller than constitution, hence anyone can rear pig/ sell alcohol as the constitution permits him to do same.

These same aboki claiming constitution will still talk against amotekun which was made under the law.

Of you really don't want to be hypocrite s as stayed above.

Those sharia states should be bold to advise FIS to create a different account for collecting VAT from hotels, alcohols, pig rearing etc and the proceeds shared between states whose law allows them.

The only thing Islamist thinks is to reap from where they don't sow. Where were these Islamist when missionaries schools are being built?
Abeg. The truth is bitter. A non Muslim and a non christian will actually tell you which is better between praying to God and praying for God. Piss be on him

truthCoder:


Does this not amuse you?

Part of your scripture is authentic and some parts are not authentic?

You cant have parts of a fruit being bad. Even if the other parts are not yet proven corrupt, by the fact that some parts are corrupt makes the whole stuff unreliable.

dryakson:

I can't argue with you since you don't know what hadith means.
Cheers!
I leave you with this quote from the glorious Qur'an, "Verily! The worst of moving living creatures in the Sight of Allah are the deaf and the dumb, those who understand not - the disbelievers."
Al-Qur'an 8:22

1Sharon:


They are giving it to you hot.

alphaNomega:


Pretty bold of you to assume your religion, Islam, is against racism. A religion that regards you as a slave by the mere dark colour of your skin. Are you dark skinned and practicing Islam? You really need to have your head checked!

I don't blame you anyway, your ancestors were tortured into accepting the religion so they remain generational slaves to their Arab masters. It is by design and the purpose of all forms of religion.

You had no choice to decide what religion you want for yourself because you were born into an Islamic home. Unfortunately, your Imam would declare a fatwah on you if you dare leave the religion. You are not a free man. You are in bondage.

truthCoder:


There is historical evidence that the founders of Islam owned and traded slaves.

It is even worrisome that this practice is still in existence in some islamic countries where the ownership of sex slaves is the norm.

Islam allowed muslims to morally own slaves.

As regards discrimination, white or arab slaves were allowed to be soldiers in the Ottoman empire while black slaves only served as servants or Eunuchs, at the best. To those who dont know who an Eunuch is, he is someone whose owner castrates and is allowed to stay in the house, as a house nigger.

Slave labour was fully employed by islam and is one of the core driving reasons for waging wars against other communities.

Treatment of slaves by islam has historically been very harsh. It was so harsh for example that it led to the Zanj rebellion in 869AD.

Slavery was still legal in Saudi Arabia up until 1962. It is still practiced underground in some countries.

There are a number of verses in the Quran as regards slavery and confirms a lower legal standing to slaves.

While the Quran encourages that slaves should be treated well, it doesn’t abolish slavery or discrimination.

Islam allows sex with female slaves even without their consent. It curiously prevents female slave owners from having sex with their male slaves though.

Plenty talk dey but let me stop here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery for further reading

Rashduct4luv:


How is slavery related to racism being discussed in the original post?

truthCoder:


Very good.

The origins of slavery is rooted in the belief that some humans are of lesser stock than some.

People don't enslave their social equals or superiors. You need to actually subjugate an individual or his community before you can even think of enslaving him/them.

Before you can enslave, you must first discriminate.

We can all agree that any society that practices slavery is a discriminatory society.

If Islam can tacitly support slavery, sexual rape of female slaves and genital mutilation of black male slaves whilst condemning the off-springs of slaves to slavery except their parent's owners decide to free them, then the OP is actually contradicting himself/herself with such a theoretical position.

Cheers.

Rashduct4luv:


This opinion above is not correct. Slavery was caused by warfare, debt, kidnapping/raid, poverty and need.

This is not impossible. Bandits can enslave those they kidnap who are better than them socially.
It seems all your premises are logically incorrect.



Nigerians do discriminate with respect to religion and ethnicity! So where is the slavery?



I would have expected you to bring clear evidences for all these in the texts of Islam.
The post is even about racism not slavery! You are yet to prove the relation between Slavery and racism!

truthCoder:


You started from a position to defend islam despite glaring historical facts. This wouldn’t allow you accept alternative opinions no matter how factual they are.

Islam spread mainly through warfare; the so called jihad. Vanquished communities were enslaved in the aftermath of such ‘evangelisms’ and it is a fact that islam tenets approved of this gruesome practice.

Islam gives legality to discriminate against non muslims and even sees them as lesser, both in current status and heavenly reward. There are quran quotes to back this up.

There was a case when Hazrat Maymunah, one of Mohammed’s wives decided to free one of her numerous slaves. Mohammed told her she would have gotten more blessings if she gave the slave girl to one of the wife’s uncle. Come to think of this scenario with an unbiased mind and determine how low of a value a slave girl had with Muhammed.

Quran 3.28 states clearly that muslims should not take non-muslim as allies…a clear discrimination on the kind of people to associate with.

The theoretical concept of equality in islam implies islamic equality which means equality amongst muslims. This implies that muslims are equal to one another but other groups are not equal to muslims.

The irony in the above equality concept is the fact that there is a serious discrimination in the muslim world. Fulani muslims for example see Yoruba Muslims as inferiors. Arabs see other muslims as inferiors. Even the sectarian cold war between shia and sunni is there. Equality remains a theory in islam.

A lot of blacks should be thankful that europeans had the upper hand in colonizing most of Africa and the middle east by 1900. The freedom to practice islam as a freeborn today was not provided by the islamic territories who thrived on slavery late into the 1960s legally and still today illegaly.

Cheers

Rashduct4luv:
When people hear too much propaganda and lies they actually take it for the truth! All your statement had no proof in reality! Some were even ilogical.

This is the typical lies spread mostly by Christians! There are several wars which can be offensive or defensive. There are many wars whereby the captives were freed and some ransomed! A religion of over a Billion people from every continent! Allaahu Akbar!

The reason we are all created is to worship Allah alone. One who worships Allah is no doubt better than one who is against Allah's worship. This is the religion of Islam and similar is found in some other religions!



1. It says in a hadeeth qudsi: “Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).

2. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam)” [Muhammad 47:4]. During the battle of Badr the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) accepted ransoms from the mushrik prisoners of war and let them go, and the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) let many of the prisoners go for free, releasing them with no ransom. During the conquest of Makkah it was said to the people of Makkah: “Go, for you are free.”

3. During the campaign of Banu’l-Mustaliq, the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married a female prisoner from the defeated tribe so as to raise her status, as she was the daughter of one of their leaders, namely the Mother of the Believers Juwayriyah bint al-Haarith (may Allaah be pleased with her). Then the Muslims let all of these prisoners go.

Islam is not thirsty for the blood of prisoners, nor is it eager to enslave them.

The best companion for a Muslim is a Muslim. For example, how will i have an ally who kneels for the image of Mary when i believe that is idolatry in Islam?

Yes, this claim is common not only in Islam and it's only to some extent not all.

This is another lie spread by Christians. Are Southern Christians better than the Hausa Christians?
Sectarianism exist as a result of Ignorance and sometimes arrogance. I once attended a quiz competition among another tribe. My group won and i answered most of the questions. They were amazed a person from my tribe had such knowledge. Hence i was asked if there were Muslims is Ogun State or even the entire southwest. This is as a result of their ignorance!

I would have loved to be ruled by Islam than all this corrupted democracy you have all around. I think you can see the western devils with their propaganda against Russia? Does USA has the moral standing to critique them? Such is the world you want?
Pray China colonise you one day then you will know what Palestinians have been facing against Israel!

Cheers!

truthCoder:


You say the person who worships Allah is a better person than the one who doesnt. Yet this thread is about the acclaimed equality by islam.

How can we all be equal when some people by the simple fact that they chose not to worship Allah makes them inferior and subject to slavery or condemnation?

You say the best comparison for a muslim is another muslim. This is exactly what i said in my previous post. I said islam sees equality theoretically only among muslims but sees other humans as inferior, which you just corroborated.

You keep making the assumption that every person who tries to question the illogical stance of the islamic fable is a Christian. This unfortunately reveals your limited horizon on the concept of religion and human diversity. Yes, islam and christianity has a large number of members with a huge majority of them inheriting the religion. However, islam or christianity are not the only religions or belief systems in the world. A lot of religious people are leaving. Religion would with time become only a cultural thing if the muslims dont blow up everything before then

You want to be ruled by islam but you prefer to apply to USA for visa instead of Afghanistan.

Suddenly you bring politics into the grand scheme of things. You mention China but try to ignore the fact that islam spread is strictly forbidden in China, possibly accounting for their growth. You mention Russia. Heck you will even mention North Korea or anything against USA. Unfortunately for you, this conversation is not about current world politics but the falsehood of equality in islam as painted by the OP.