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Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 6:16pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
christistruth01:So Yorubas are descendants of Oduduwa? |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by geosegun(m): 6:26pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
VEHINTOLAR: You made mistake here? No one disputed the fact that Yoruba is a great race and has done great exploits. However, I was referring to kinsmen taken to the South and North America including the Caribbean islands. The end of slavery was when the British ships stopped America bound slave ships and are forced to berth at Sierra Leone shore. Many of those are Yorubas who are still there until this day. What about Brazil? When one talks, it not about local issues only, I was referring to international and transnationals. For the records, Yoruba as an entity, has never been defeated in any war. There may be some minor isolated cases, here and there, due to internal conflicts e.g Oyo. Which we fought back and defeated the Marauders at Ajase IPO. So, young man, I knew what I was talking about… |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by michresakidjo(m): 6:29pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
TAO11: TAO11 My love for you is boundless. |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by michresakidjo(m): 6:34pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
aribisala0: The oba lives in badagry, you can visit the palace. I believe he will do justice to these questions you asked. 1 Like |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by nisai: 6:38pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
TAO11:I have heard some Eguns claimed they are Yoruba. I don't know if it's true. |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 6:39pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
michresakidjo:Well you manufactured the statements and attributed them to him so that is why I asked you |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by fregeneh(m): 6:40pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
perambulator: I no got google |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by Nobody: 6:42pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by michresakidjo(m): 6:42pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
aribisala0: Google is your friend bro. |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 6:44pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
nisai:Ogu people are not Yoruba The simple truth is that Yoruba as a construct is a 20th century construct within the context of Nigeria. Ogu language is not in the Yoruba language family and there is next to zero mutual intelligibility. At some point in history the Ogu people like the Egba e.g fell under Oyo domination They have similarities but they are different people 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 6:45pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
michresakidjo:Actually it is not .It is discredited. Google did not come here to make baseless claims |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 6:48pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
TAO11:Not sure what you mean by landowners. Aworis are not the only or largest group in Lagos State. The Ijebus are prominent in two of the 5 divisions of the state; Epe and Ikorodu Whilst the Ogu in one ; Badagry |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 6:55pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
geosegun:Yoruba as an entity Never defeated in any war7 Yoruba as an entity never existed before Nigeria Ijebu Egba Ekiti Igbomina Okun Ondo Ijesha All existed as standalone entities = Nations Distinct from OYO Indeed The Ijebu and some others distinctly referred to Oyo people as "Yoruba" and never used that term for themselves The identity as Yoruba only stuck after The creation of Nigeria If you go to Benin republic , They tend to use the term Anago not "Yoruba" Also there is a sequestered group in Delta state that were encapsulated and cut off. They call themselves Olukumi and are a very useful resource for putting things in proper historical context 1 Like |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by Oke700: 7:08pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
aribisala0: Those in delta state went to delta because of the oil. |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by VEHINTOLAR: 7:09pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
geosegun: Perhaps, I misunderstood your earlier points. I'm sorry about that please. Now,old man,by Marauders,I guess you're referring to the invading fulani force of that era,right ? If that's right,it is on record that they were actually defeated in Osogbo but not Ajase Ipo as you put it. |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 7:12pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
Oke700:So they are in oil business? |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by Nisiw366: 7:33pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
27Pushing30:that's fake history, owo only traded with benin 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by geosegun(m): 7:34pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
aribisala0:Yes you are correct - The Oyo people are referred to as Yaribawa by the Hausas due to commercial relationship. This was later extended to other part of Yoruba land as we are one people but differs slightly by location and dialect but with same culture and language. The Nupes were called Baribawa , and Hausawa etc. We used to call Hausa people by a sobriquet- which has eluded me now. I will mention it again once I remember. |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by christistruth01: 7:52pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
aribisala0: Oduduwa is the Father of the Yorubas The Oba's and Yoruba Princes that founded the 16 Yoruba kingdoms are mainly descended from Oduduwa, the Aborigines are mainly Ugbo Stock originally but over the Centuries both have mixed But the Ijesha ,Ijebu,Akoko,Ilaje,Ekiti and Owu are believed to be mainly of Ugbo Stock Originally The Ugbos were the Aborigines of Yoruland Oduduwa was of a Settler Stock which was at least related to the Nupe Tribe |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 8:01pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
christistruth01:What does Father mean? |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by Christistruth00: 8:36pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by Christistruth00: 8:38pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
michresakidjo: Her Bride Price has already been fully paid Cc Tao11 |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by michresakidjo(m): 8:51pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by TAO11(f): 9:40pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
aribisala0:Regardless of the index with which you look at it; be it earliest arrival, size, or spread; the Aworis are the actual landowners. Cheers. 4 Likes |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by TAO11(f): 9:45pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
christistruth01:The bolded appears like an intentional distortion of Yoruba history. You once made same strange & incorrect statement a while back, and you were corrected. See reminder below: https://www.nairaland.com/6923765/why-bini-yorubas-one-connection/8#109458556 https://www.nairaland.com/6923765/why-bini-yorubas-one-connection/8#109462224 And Oduduwa is of Yoruba roots and origin from Oke-Ọra according to indigenous Yoruba traditions. It is in our own best interest to stop distorting Yoruba history. Cheers. 9 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by ShadowCracker(m): 9:48pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
TAO11:What land . I am Ijebu Epe, the other group are eko Epes, what land do Awori own in Epe, are eko Epe Awori. . |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by Christistruth00: 10:06pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
TAO11: What I believe is that Oduduwa was born in the Ife Bowl but was of at least Partly of Nupe stock or Borgu Because Moremi was described as Yoruba and a Settler from Offa and the Oba Ugbo who was Ile Ife Aborigine was described as igbo so there are clearly two groups identified in Moremis story Moremi belonged to Oranmiyan and Oduduwa’s Group Lajomo the Nupe King and Oranmiyans Father inlaw received Oranmiyan as if he was receiving someone from his Group The Nupe claim that Yoruba settler Group were Nupe that Crossed the Niger to the South and Settled In Yorubaland Both Nupe and Yoruba have unusually Strong Artistic Culture and the Language is related I believe Oduduwa was of the Nupe Settler Group but Born around ife The Ijebu are adamant that they got to Yorubaland before the Oduduwa Settler Group It was athe Nupe that were said to have brought Ifa Worship to ife This is the Opinion I am working with at the moment I am not interested in distorting Yoruba History but trying to get to the truth of it The Olugbo Of Ugbo claims that his group was different from the Oduduwa Group and described the Oduduwa Group as Strangers so does the Awujale Of Ijebu https://thenationonlineng.net/yoruba-history-olugbos-revisionism/amp/ https://www.jstor.org/stable/41857157 |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by Omonayanoranmiy: 10:09pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
Edo people are from Ife even before oduduwa.call Edo sub tribe attest to this. Only Benin tribe say otherwise that everyone comes from Benin which is strange.They lie alot every other tribe also call theirKing oba silently in Edo State. Yorubas should ignore Benin people and deal with other Edo people who bear Yoruba names. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by TAO11(f): 10:45pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
ShadowCracker:The attached screenshot is so to show the context of my comment which you replied to. So, my point in that comment is that not only are the Aworis the earliest group in the heartland of today’s Lagos State; their reach also extends (whether little or major) to the frontiers divisions of today’s Lagos state, viz. Badagry, Ikorodu, and Epe. For example, regarding Badagry: “The area, however, was Awori territory with many small Awori settlements inhabiting the swamps around it, and many of such Awori ultimately became part of the new town and kingdom of Badagry.” ~ Stephen Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing (2010), p. 111. Regarding Ikorodu, the banks of the Cradoo lagoon in and around Ibeṣe, Ebute (Ipakodu), etc. is dotted with different Awori settlements. This points to the far reach of an early Awori group al the way from the core to this frontier area. In fact, the town of Igbogbo (for example) have the traditions of the direct migration of a certain Okuṣelu from Iṣeri (the homeland of the Aworis). A popular Ikorodu saying (in Ijebu dialect) has it that: “Igbogbo ri e kọ do, ki Ipakodo i-do, ki-i Koodu i-do”. I believe you should know what that says. The wave from Iṣagamu simply represents the ruling dynasty (whose traditions became the dominant one as is to be expected anywhere). It is not to say that this wave is the earliest. In fact, a strongly held saying in the traditions (as mentioned) point to the earlier Awori groups in the area. Regarding Epe, the traditions of settling of Epe town doesn’t even mention Ijebu or Eko to begin with. Instead, it makes mentions of a certain hunter whose name is given in the traditions as “Hu-raka”. He is said to have come all the way from Ifẹ. The presence of Ijebu-Epe and Eko-Epe, are different groups that was supposedly subsequently drawn into the area. Now regarding Eko-Epe, the following clarification has to be made about the name “Awori”: Awori as I have used it in this particular context of Epe isn’t restricted to the Ogunfunminire group that cam directly from Ifẹ. Instead, my usage includes those who descended from Ogunfunminire himself or from any member of his group. The Eko-Epe are from the core of Lagos, i.e. from Eko. The Ekos (particularly the ruling house) is patrilineally of Awori roots. The progenitor Aṣipa is, according to the traditions of Lagos, an Awori chief (of Ife royal descent) from Iṣeri. And if the Eko-Epe are deemed instead to have been descended from the Iddo royal house of Lagos, they are also Aworis being patrilineally descended from the Olofin Ogunfunminire himself. Cheers. Cc: aribisala0 5 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by TAO11(f): 11:02pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
Christistruth00:The history of a people is not what you personally believe. Instead, the history of a people is what their ancient traditions say. Especially when those ancient traditions are upheld by historical scholarship. In the light of this fact, it has been established by the scholars of African & Yoruba history that: Oduduwa was from the hilly settlement of Oke-Ọra. The Olugbo group (is a faction under the leadership of Obawinrin) formed from some of the 13 groups at the Ife bowl when Oduduwa’s group arrived the bowl. None of these 13 groups has a supreme king for all of the Ife bowl. Instead, each group has its own king, an they’re equal. They rotated chairmanship. It was Ideta’s turn at the time of Oduduwa to produce the chairman of the alliance of the kings. The king of Ideta at the time was Obatala. This is what the tradition says. So, I don’t get the whol etalk about Olugbo, Nupe, etc. Where is that coming from? And you didn’t read the comment which you typed up your replies to. Cheers. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by TAO11(f): 11:26pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
nisai:The two peoples have lived interspersed in the Awori frontier (and other frontiers) for several centuries. So, it is understandable that some Egun may also claim they’re Yoruba. But Yorùbá by itself is a different ethno-linguistic group. “These far western Yoruba subgroups lived interspersed here and there with a people called the Adja or Aja (consisting of such subgroups as the Egun or Gun, Allada, and Fon). There was considerable closeness between the Yoruba and the Aja. Like the Yoruba language, Aja belonged to the Kwa subfamily within the larger Niger-Congo family of languages. It seems obvious that when the Yoruba group encountered the Aja people in this area, it continued and flowed past them westwards, so that over time Yoruba subgroups existed to the east, west and north of the Aja. With the Aja almost enveloped by the Yoruba, profound cultural affinities further developed between the two, with the smaller (the Aja) greatly influenced by the larger (the Yoruba) — in language, religion, and social and political institutions. Ultimately, the Yoruba and Aja became more or less one cultural area, and the Yoruba language became a sort of lingua franca for the two peoples, which means that while the Aja spoke their own language (which was strongly influenced by the Yoruba language) most of the Aja spoke Yoruba.*” ~ Stephen Adebanji Akintoye, “A History of the Yoruba People,” Amalion Publishing (2010), p. 9. Cheers. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Olu Of Warri Visits Abiodun, Predicts Oil Discovery In Ogun by aribisala0(m): 11:29pm On Mar 31, 2022 |
TAO11:Let me educate you a little as you are clearly ignorant After independence Nigeria had 3 regions North East and West with Lagos City as the FCT The Minister was Yaradua's father After the 1966 coup Lagos State was created by taking land from the former Western Region and adding it to the FCT which was the city of Lagos. Lagos City remained as FCT . Note LAGOS STATE WAS NEVER CAPITAL OF NIGERIA just the City Those places Epe Ikorodu Badagry and Ikeja were ALL part or the Western region and together with Lagos City were called the 5 divisions of Lagos . Each had a senator in the 2nd republic. They are not Awori enclaves .Anyone saying what you are saying is not from Lagos State and does not know its history |
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