Nisiw365:
benidiot go and rest. If yoruba is not a areal tribe, it is benin made of prostitutes and armed robbers that is a real tribe. oba of benin is a yoruba man

I am just wondering when your self esteem will actual grow a little bit, you insult us and then you claim our emperor ? Dude, our emperor is not a yoruba, no matter how much you yarri.ba would want him to be, no matter how much you yarrib.a pray for it, no matter how many times you yarrib.a say it.

The Oba of Benin is not one of you, accept reality and move on ! Be contempt with your homosexual Oni of ifa and your skin bleaching alafin of oyo. Take some pride in yourselves and stop claiming other people's emperors. It is not because your ancestors were slaves in Brazil that you should just be going around trying to steal the history of a more archiving people: the Edo. Nobody is more Edo than the Oba of Benin, by definition !

It is strange that I even have to say all this.

The problem with the yoruba is that they project their lack of self-esteem upon others. The yoruba are mostly Brazilian slaves and the rest of them have a history of being defeated by whomever they fought. That is why illorin which was originally yoruba is led by a Fulani man. You yoruba are trying to project the fact you are a defeated people upon us. Us Edo, we were never defeated except by the British who defeated everybody in what we now call Nigeria and defeated the so called yarr.iba without a fight.

Aren't you guys ashamed that your low self-esteemed monarchs all copied the title of the Oba of Benin and started wearing Benin beeds and are claiming the Oba of Benin originated from Ife ?

Most of your monarchs used to be under the authority of the Oba of Benin by the way.

Also answer this question:

Where are the following items:

1) yoruba Republic

2) bight of yoruba

3) British-yoruba war

4) yoruba bronze (Benin has more than 2000 bronzes and of the best quality, Ife has less than ten, and those were dug up and are of little quality, where is oyo bronze ? Where is egba bronze ?)

Yoruba have such low self-esteem that a statue was dug up and the yoruba monarchs started copying the dress code on that statue. Eventhough nobody knows the status of the person who was represented in that statue, these fools just assume it were a king and started designing "crowns" shaped like the head gear worn by that statue. This is pure madness, yoruba have no history (except their political origin and their slave origin and their subdued status) that is why they invent their history on the go. These guys don't discover their history, they invent it and they keep changing it and adding stuff to it.
They keep trying to rewrite Benin's history in order to glorify yoruba. But it won't work ! yarrib.a have been trying to rewrite Benin history for more than 100 years, it has not worked and never will, but these guys will never learn their lessons. Some of the people whom have allowed stupid politicians tag them "yoruba" like the jebu are already denouncing the fakeness of it and claiming their true identity.

You can't rewrite the history of a people whose history is eyewitness written and not some fairytales. Benin history is a collection of events written down by eyewitnesses and available in some of the most prestigious libraries in this world.

benidiot in pains. Oba of benin is a yoruba man [quote author=Truthvalue44 post=109326743]

I am just wondering when your self esteem will actual grow a little bit, you insult us and then you claim our emperor ? Dude, our emperor is not a yoruba, no matter how much you yarri.ba would want him to be, no matter how much you yarrib.a pray for it, no matter how many times you yarrib.a say it.

The Oba of Benin is not one of you, accept reality and move on ! Be contempt with your homosexual Oni of ifa and your skin bleaching alafin of oyo. Take some pride in yourselves and stop claiming other people's emperor's. It is 'ot because your ancestors were slaves in Brazil that you should just be going around trying to steal the history of a more archiving people: the Edo. Nobody is more Edo than the Oba of Benin, by definition !

It is strange that I even have to say all this.

The problem with the yoruba is that they project their lack of self-esteem upon others.

Drogunov:


Yeah, we here you. So why do your Obas speak Yoruba in their palace? Why is Yoruba the royal language spoken in your royal courts?

It seems you are on drugs.
Yoruba is not spoken in the Oba's palace, nor is it spoken in any palace of Benin kingdom. We speak Edo.
You yarrib.a just have many crazy claims about us Edo. You guys are obsessed with us...why don't you just stick to your own matters and stop hallucinating about us ? Stop mentioning our name, our monarchy our bronze...talk about yourselves !

ariesbull:



This Reno of a dude is just plainly stupid and daft... You call yourself a Historian yet you can't visit the place and do research on the subject....

Come and visit benin and let's take you serious

Reno didn't say what this nairaland topic claims he did. Read the article and you will see that this nairaland topic is putting words on Reno's mouth, also I doubt Reno is a historian.

ariesbull:



This Reno of a dude is just plainly stupid and daft... You call yourself a Historian yet you can't visit the place and do research on the subject....

Come and visit benin and let's take you serious

Reno didn't say what this nairaland topic claims he did. Read the article and you will see that this nairaland topic is putting words on Reno's mouth, also I doubt Reno is a historian.

Mynd44 seun I call rule 8 on this thread: indeed Reno omokri never made the claim that Benin and yoruba are one contrary to the name of this thread which puts words in Reno's mouth.

Reno didn't say what this nairaland topic claims he did. Read the article and you will see that this nairaland topic is putting words on Reno's mouth, also I doubt Reno is a historian.

Mynd44 seun I call rule 8 on this thread: indeed Reno omokri never made the claim that Benin and yoruba are one contrary to the name of this thread which puts words in Reno's mouth.

Dude is an armchair Historian... He can't even visit the place of interest and do simple research.... Such a shame

I am starting to believe some of these guys who keep saying all these rubbish might just be trolls and perhaps not even yoruba. They are just trying to be as annoying as possible.

okobo wake up from your foolishness. I’m pure Edo from Orhionmwon & I’m not related to Yoruba people. God forbid.

It seems you are on drugs.
Yoruba is not spoken in the Oba's palace, nor is it spoken in any palace of Benin kingdom. We speak Edo.
You yarrib.a just have many crazy claims about us Edo. You guys are obsessed with us...why don't you just stick to your own matters and stop hallucinating about us ? Stop mentioning our name, our monarchy our bronze...talk about yourselves !

You are an Igbo impostor. Otherwise tou would not come here to display this level of ignorance. Its only ab impostor who loves attacking Yorubas on this forum without any link to any meaningful culture, such as the Igbos, that will type this kind of nonsense. Or better still, a mongrel of mixed heritage. So get lost. I don't have your time. Go and do your research and learn quality knowledge.

Clowns continue your whining online na for nairaland the thing go still finish


Ọba ghaa tọ kpẹre isẹ

christistruth01:




From the 1937 Conference




The first Yoruba Chiefs Conference was held in the Alaafins Palace Hall in 1937

And all the Oba's were happy with it
including the Oba of Benin

The Conference was later expanded to include all other Ethnic Groups but it was Originally for the Yoruba Chiefs and they all agreed that Oni was definitely their leader

Let us not divert from the Original request for Evidence that Oni of Ife was their Traditional Leader
of Yoruba Chiefs


From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”

The fact that Scammers are trying to rewrite History doesn't mean everybody is like that

Kudos.

christistruth01:


Yet you always call Awolowo who is Ijebu a Yoruba man

Oduduwa United the different Aborigines groups into one Yoruba Nation

The Awujale of Ijebu was an Ilari sent from Oyo by an Alaafin to Settle a Land dispute
Yorubas are both Aborigines and Settlers and both groups have Long become the same people

Ijebu, Owu, Ijesha Ekiti,Ilaje,Akoko were all Ugbo aborigines now all are the same Yorubas

Just as the English were originally from Viking,Angles,Saxons,French,Roman Origin but now all are English


Bottomline is Ooni of Ife is the Father of the Present Yoruba Kings include the Oba of Benin and Alaafin

Cc Tao11 ,macof,Olu317

Not aboriginal settlement of different stocks but rather the settlement of people who were related by intermarriages as well harmonising the genealogical bloodline ,which all belonged.

Secondly, let me posit here that pioneer Awujale was frankly not an ilari from Oyo. Such as this statement is not correct ,my dear brother. Awujale pioneer ancestors came from Ileife.

christistruth01:
…
Oduduwa United the different Aborigines groups into one Yoruba Nation

No o, my brother.

The people didn’t start as different people who later got appeased and united to be same people.

That’s a lie from ignorant Yorùbá enemies which they are working hard to make sure that we accept before they finally strike .

No, traditional Yorùbá history never says that. Neither does any historical conclusion ever say that.

The reality instead is the total complete opposite. The people started out as one & the same ethno-linguistic people (i.e. same ethnic stock — language & culture).

And over millenniums, this one giant ethnic stock hav evolved different sub-cultures from their initial one. As such, dialects, sub-groups, etc. was born.

—————
Yes, Oduduwa did do some uniting when he managed to rise to prominence in Ife. But those whom he united aren’t different aboriginal groups of people.

Rather they are one & the same group of people who have simply evolved different autonomous kingdoms within the Ife bowl. He united these kingdoms into one Ife kingdom with one supreme king.

In sum: What Ooduwa united is Not Different PEOPLE, but Different KINGDOMS of same people of Ife.

Yes this simply happened in Ife — prior to when the different other kingdom-founding migrations sprang out from Ife to other parts of Yorubaland and beyond.

The Awujale of Ijebu was an Ilari sent from Oyo by an Alaafin to Settle a Land dispute

This is an account documented by Johnson about the “Awujalẹ” title. Johnson didn’t get this from the Ijebu-Odes themselves. This is an account from Ọyọ which emerged at the height of Ọyọ’s power in the 1600s & the 1700s.

In fact, the Ijebus have a completely different account of their own roots [and of the “Awujalẹ” title] which is older than Johnson’s documentation.

In all, no Ijebu account talks of them as being of Oyo roots. They have something else to say from the very beginnings. For example:

Marie D’Avezac writings (published in 1845) shows the Ijebu account of their direct Ife roots.

W Stanley Hern’s Report (collected from Ijebu-Ode at the turn of the 1800s & published 1906) states clearly that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

The local historian, D. O. Epega also documented this tradition of the Ijebu-Ode people in his 1919 work, and it states clearly that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

In a joint publication of 1927 by Osinyemi, Banjo, and Osopale (on Ijebu-Igbo, the brother kingdom), it is also mentioned clearly that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

In another document on Ijebu-Mushin (which is also a brother kingdom in the area) from 1933, it is also clearly mentioned that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

The record of proceedings of the first conference of Yoruba monarchs held in 1937 not only shows the then Awujale in attendance, it also states that Ife was the hometown from where their ancestors sprang out originally.

In late 1936, the British had decided a “strange” move which would generate a political reaction from Ijebu-Ode — one Ijebu-Ode man to be precise.

They decided to administer Ijebu-Remo as a separate local government authority. It was this move that led to the birth of a Wadai/Sudan tale in the private paper of Chief T. A. Fowakan in 1937.

This tale was unheard of by the people prior to 1937. It was borne out in the context of politics and it is not rooted in the ancient tradition of the people.

In fact, it must have taken its leverage from Johnson’s Yoruba origin story which he ties to that same region of the world; contrary to the ancient Yoruba account which clearly says that we are autochthonous to this land. BTW, this ancient Yorùbá account had been put to writing app. 1 century before Johnson’s publication.

—————
In sum, we have seen that the tradition of Oyo origin is not found in Ijebu-Ode account from beginning till this moment.

We have also seen that the tradition of Ife origin is the ancient and consistent Ijebu-Ode account originally.

We have seen that the tale of (Wadai) Sudan origin is the one which was later invented in relatively recent time; and in the context of colonial politics.

BTW, all the other Ijebu kingdoms (from beginning to the end) have not tampered with their own account. It still remains at is it from the beginning.

Ijebu, Owu, Ijesha Ekiti,Ilaje,Akoko were all Ugbo aborigines now all are the same Yorubas

What specifically do you mean here?

That they were originally from Ugboland in the Ilaje area? And if that’s what you mean, then please show some reputable sources for it.

Bottomline is Ooni of Ife is the Father of the Present Yoruba Kings include the Oba of Benin and Alaafin
Cc macof

Oh sure.

Cheers.

TAO11:
No o, my brother.

The people didn’t start as different people who later got appeased and united to be same people.

That’s a lie from ignorant Yorùbá enemies which they are working hard to make sure that we accept before they finally strike .

No, traditional Yorùbá history never says that. Neither does any historical conclusion ever say that.

The reality instead is the total complete opposite. The people started out as one & the same ethno-linguistic people (i.e. same ethnic stock — language & culture).

And over millenniums, this one giant ethnic stock hav evolved different sub-cultures from their initial one. As such, dialects, sub-groups, etc. was born.

—————
Yes, Oduduwa did do some uniting when he managed to rise to prominence in Ife. But those whom he united aren’t different aboriginal groups of people.

Rather they are one & the same group of people who have simply evolved different autonomous kingdoms within the Ife bowl. He united these kingdoms into one Ife kingdom with one supreme king.

In sum: What Ooduwa united is Not Different PEOPLE, but Different KINGDOMS of same people of Ife.

Yes this simply happened in Ife — prior to when the different other kingdom-founding migrations sprang out from Ife to other parts of Yorubaland and beyond.


This is an account documented by Johnson about the “Awujalẹ” title. Johnson didn’t get this from the Ijebu-Odes themselves. This is an account from Ọyọ which emerged at the height of Ọyọ’s power in the 1600s & the 1700s.

In fact, the Ijebus have a completely different account of their own roots [and of the “Awujalẹ” title] which is older than Johnson’s documentation.

In all, no Ijebu account talks of them as being of Oyo roots. They have something else to say from the very beginnings. For example:

Marie D’Avezac writings (published in 1845) shows the Ijebu account of their direct Ife roots.

W Stanley Hern’s Report (collected from Ijebu-Ode at the turn of the 1800s & published 1906) states clearly that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

The local historian, D. O. Epega also documented this tradition of the Ijebu-Ode people in his 1919 work, and it states clearly that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

In a joint publication of 1927 by Osinyemi, Banjo, and Osopale (on Ijebu-Igbo, the brother kingdom), it is also mentioned clearly that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

In another document on Ijebu-Mushin (which is also a brother kingdom in the area) from 1933, it is also clearly mentioned that Ijebu-Ode was founded directly from Ife.

The record of proceedings of the first conference of Yoruba monarchs held in 1937 not only shows the then Awujale in attendance, it also states that Ife was the hometown from where their ancestors sprang out originally.

In late 1936, the British had decided a “strange” move which would generate a political reaction from Ijebu-Ode — one Ijebu-Ode man to be precise.

They decided to administer Ijebu-Remo as a separate local government authority. It was this move that led to the birth of a Wadai/Sudan tale in the private paper of Chief T. A. Fowakan in 1937.

This tale was unheard of by the people prior to 1937. It was borne out in the context of politics and it is not rooted in the ancient tradition of the people.

In fact, it must have taken its leverage from Johnson’s Yoruba origin story which he ties to that same region of the world; contrary to the ancient Yoruba account which clearly says that we are autochthonous to this land. BTW, this ancient Yorùbá account had been put to writing app. 1 century before Johnson’s publication.

—————
In sum, we have seen that the tradition of Oyo origin is not found in Ijebu-Ode account from beginning till this moment.

We have also seen that the tradition of Ife origin is the ancient and consistent Ijebu-Ode account originally.

We have seen that the tale of (Wadai) Sudan origin is the one which was later invented in relatively recent time; and in the context of colonial politics.

BTW, all the other Ijebu kingdoms (from beginning to the end) have not tampered with their own account. It still remains at is it from the beginning.

What specifically do you mean hear?

That they were originally from Ugboland in the Ilaje area? And if that’s what you mean, then please show some reputable sources for it.

Oh sure.

Cheers.

Well done. Some times i no dey understand christ oo.

nisai:
Well done. Some times i no dey understand christ oo.

Christistruth01 not Christ

There were 13 autonomous Ugbo Settlements at Ife
that Oduduwa United with his own followers into one



CC Tao11

christistruth01:
Christistruth01 not Christ
There were 13 autonomous Ugbo Settlements at Ife
that Oduduwa United with his own followers into one
CC Tao11

You’re using names (e.g. “Ugbo”) in such a way that the actual context is absent; and that may unintentionally mislead your readers.

So, the “13” autonomous settlements have names, i.e Ido, Iloromu, Odin, Iloran, Oke-Awo, Oke-Oja, Parakin, Imojubi, Ideta, Iraye, Omologun, Ijugbe, and Iwinrin.

The name “Ugbo” originally applies to the collective of the people; and not their kingdoms whose names are listed above.

The collective name of the people simply signify that they are olden, ancient, aged, etc. from the root word gbo as can also be seen in arugbo, ogbo, etc.

It is from this name that the later form “Ugbo” of the Ilaje derive its name — not the other way round.

In fact, there is an Ife tradition that a faction from the Iwinrin group didn’t return to Ife once dislodged with others who returned.

An Ugbo-Ilaje tradition also exists along the lines that they were dislodged from Ife and never returned.

I hope this throw some light, @nisai

Cheers.

I JUST TIRE, THESE GREEDY YOLOBAS SEF

Philistine:

Don't you Yorubas have self esteem? Why forcefully and shamefully attaching yourself to other tribes? Binis have rejected you, yet your lack of self respect and honor will not make you admit.

OYA GO AND GRAB LAND THERE, GREEDY LAND GRABBERS

Nisiw365:
e pain am. Oba of benin is a yoruba man. Kill yourself

THE DAY I WILL CATCH YOU AROUND RINGROAD EHN, NA OVIA RIVER YOU GO END UP, THIEF

VEHINTOLAR 1post=109171540:


Typical coward;the slowest of all slowpokes ! Now,crawl back into whatever miserable hole you came out from and remain dumber than you are already there ! Obo like you !

THE OBA OF BENIN STOOL BELONGS TO THE YORUBA !

THE DAY I WILL CATCH YOU AROUND RINGROAD EHN, NA OVIA RIVER YOU GO END UP,

VEHINTOLAR 1post=109171540:


Typical coward;the slowest of all slowpokes ! Now,crawl back into whatever miserable hole you came out from and remain dumber than you are already there ! Obo like you !

THE OBA OF BENIN STOOL BELONGS TO THE YORUBA !

Denoh68:
OYA GO AND GRAB LAND THERE, GREEDY LAND GRABBERS

nonesense. Oba of benin is a yoruba man

TELL THEM, MAKE THEM COME NAH, NA FOR OVIA RIVER THEM GO END UP

It seems you are on drugs.
Yoruba is not spoken in the Oba's palace, nor is it spoken in any palace of Benin kingdom. We speak Edo.
You yarrib.a just have many crazy claims about us Edo. You guys are obsessed with us...why don't you just stick to your own matters and stop hallucinating about us ? Stop mentioning our name, our monarchy our bronze...talk about yourselves !

TELL THEM, THEY WANT TO GRAB OUR LAND.

Dartilo:
I am an Edo man and a Benin Man


We have no connection with the Yoruba with due respect to everyone

WEREEEE,COME,NA FOR OVIA RIVER YOU GO END.

Nisiw365:
nonesense. Oba of benin is a yoruba man

Denoh68:
WEREEEE,COME,NA FOR OVIA RIVER YOU GO END.

Benidiot in pains