MaxInDHouse:


If you call Olaa 'your friend' is he my own enemy?

The question should be, are you a friend of the truth?

MaxInDHouse:


Says you, the self-appointed spokesman!

image123 is qualified to speak for me because he is my brother from another mother.

haddeylium:


The Bible text had no punctuation marks as we know them today, so the translators into English are the ones who decide where to put quotation marks, dashes, commas, and fullstops/periods.

In Luke 23:43, some translators put the comma in the wrong place, changing the meaning of what Jesus was saying based on biased doctrines or might be a mistake.

Jesus was not saying “You will be with me today” because that day Jesus ended up in the grave, not in any Paradise.


Jesus meant he was promising the man “today”- that very day- that one day in the future that man would be resurrected to live in Paradise.

Putting the comma in the correct place (after the word “today”) correctly conveys what Jesus meant and is therefore the more accurate translation.

You have obviously been influenced by the NWT. The translators did not place the comma, it was Archbishop Stephen Langton who later added the punctuations.

MaxInDHouse:


Jesus promised the thief "Paradise" though it's somehow difficult for many to distinguish between heaven and Paradise but a little Bible study with the true Christians will help.

Heaven is where God and angels live so the place wasn't designed for flesh and blood like humans and animals but spirit beings. That's why God's word says heaven is God's abode while the earth has been given to mankind! Psalms 115:16


What about Paradise?

When God first settled the first human pair in the garden of Eden where they had all what they needed, nothing like sickness, nothing like oldage, nothing like death, all the animals both great and small were obedient to humans, it was indeed a PARADISE!
But after commiting sin they were driven out of that Paradisiac garden and they can only see it from a distance while the two Cherubs kept standing with a flaming sword right by the entrance. Genesis 3:24
This garden was there all along during the time people like Cain, Abel, Enoch, Methuselah and Noah walked the earth but they can only see the gate with the cherubs and flaming sword. The garden was washed away by the global deluge and God promised to restore the whole earth back to that condition when Jesus began ruling the earth, that's when we will no longer get sick {Isaiah 33:24} no more oldage {Job 33:25} God will swallow death completely so no one will die again neither are we going to cry or mourn our love ones due to death {Isaiah 25:8} in fact people living that time will not need to know dates anymore because they will always remain youthful as long as they live {Isaiah 65:22} no more blind, lame nor any other deformities because everyone will have sound health {Isaiah 35:5-6} and as for the animals none will be a carnivore because all of them will feed on grasses! Isaiah 11:6-7; 65:25

Please do not discard all what you're reading in God's word now because this is the Good News of God's Kingdom on earth and that's where Jesus meant when he told that dying guy:

"I tell you today, you will be with me in Paradise"

Of course that thief who is a Jew surely knew all these because that's what they were expecting to experience when the Messiah (Christ) begin his rulership but they don't know that he must first gather his co-rulers, train them on how they're going to preach and teach all other nations before the establishment of God's Kingdom to end all badness! Matthew 24:14

So that thief died a blissful man with the hope of waking up in Paradise where everything we need will be provided by our God JEHOVAH! Psalms 67:6-7

May you have PEACE!

Lies from the pit of hell.

OLAADEGBU:


image123 is qualified to speak for me because he is my brother from another mother.

Thanks my dear brother sir. God bless you.

OLAADEGBU:
What did Jesus mean when He said, "Today you will be with me in paradise"? Where does the comma belong in Luke 23:43?

The thief actually went to paradise the very day he died. Paradise in this context is not referring to heaven. It was Abraham's bosom where saints of old went to when they die. It's also underneath the earth and separated from hell by a deep gulf as revealed in the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

But after the resurrection of our Lord Jesus, they were all released from that paradise and went to heaven with Jesus when he ascended back to heaven.

OLAADEGBU:


The reason you place the comma where you did is to justify your heretical teachings of not being born again as well as not making heaven.

The thief was with Jesus in paradise that same day shey?

You mean paradise is same as heaven?

Have you seen anything like "making heaven" in the Bible?

The comma was added by some people after hundreds of years the original manuscript was written. It's an obvious error.
Well, Archbishop Stephen Langton failed woefully for putting the comma before today.

You've been fed with lies your entire life and when the JWs say something contrary to what you believe (lies), you would think they are the ones lying.

Open your eyes bro. I was in your shoes once. The veil was too thick in my eyes then.

God created man to dominate the earth. Heaven was God and angels abode. It was never meant for physical beings like us.

Go and figure it out.

OLAADEGBU:


You have obviously been influenced by the NWT. The translators did not place the comma, it was Archbishop Stephen Langton who later added the punctuations.

Oh really?
You mean because Stephen Langton was the first person to suggest punctuation validates the meaning? Calm down and learn
No doubt the position of the comma changes the meaning.
Not just Stephen, later Greek text of watt and others contains punctuation but the point is, each of them punctuated according to their understanding of the scriptures then.
Someone that has a flawed understanding of the bible will punctuated wrongly.

Ken4Christ:


The thief actually went to paradise the very day he died. Paradise in this context is not referring to heaven. It was Abraham's bosom where saints of old went to when they die. It's also underneath the earth and separated from hell by a deep gulf as revealed in the story of the rich man and Lazarus.

But after the resurrection of our Lord Jesus, they were all released from that paradise and went to heaven with Jesus when he ascended back to heaven.

This is adjudged to be the best answer so far. I hope these JW's would read and learn the truth as expressed succinctly here.

OLAADEGBU:


This is adjudged to be the best answer so far. I hope these JW's would read and learn the truth as expressed succinctly here.

The parable of the rich man and Lazarus na true life story Abi?

So what about righteous people that died after Jesus ascension, where are they going, paradise (a place near hell) or straight to heaven?

cornelboy:


The parable of the rich man and Lazarus na true life story Abi?

So what about righteous people that died after Jesus ascension, where are they going, paradise (a place near hell) or straight to heaven?

Straight to heaven to be with Jesus.

OLAADEGBU:


Straight to heaven to be with Jesus.

Really? Will they live there forever?

cornelboy:


Really? Will they live there forever?

Do you even believe that they will be with Jesus in heaven in the first place?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you even believe that they will be with Jesus in heaven in the first place?

The beatitudes in Matthew 5 says that some will inherit the earth while some will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

cornelboy:


The beatitudes in Matthew 5 says that some will inherit the earth whe some will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Try reading the text below without your tinted spectacles.

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of Him. (2 Corinthians 5:6–9).

OLAADEGBU:


Try reading the text below without your tinted spectacles.

Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of Him. (2 Corinthians 5:6–9).

Where does the lord Jesus Christ dwell when Paul wrote 2 Corinthians 5:6-9?
In Heaven,of course!

Matthew 5:3,5 & 2 Peter 3:13, Did Jesus Christ & Peter teach OLAADEGBU that every believer will dwell in heaven?

Matthew 5:3,5 & 2 Peter 3:13 no dey OLAADEGBU Bible.

haddeylium:


The Bible text had no punctuation marks as we know them today, so the translators into English are the ones who decide where to put quotation marks, dashes, commas, and fullstops/periods.

In Luke 23:43, some translators put the comma in the wrong place, changing the meaning of what Jesus was saying based on biased doctrines or might be a mistake.

Jesus was not saying “You will be with me today” because that day Jesus ended up in the grave, not in any Paradise.


Jesus meant he was promising the man “today”- that very day- that one day in the future that man would be resurrected to live in Paradise.

Putting the comma in the correct place (after the word “today”) correctly conveys what Jesus meant and is therefore the more accurate translation.

You people are very funny

So Jesus was lying to the man that, the man will be with him in Paradise when Jesus Himself won't be in the same Paradise but heaven

cornelboy:
The beatitudes in Matthew 5 says that some will inherit the earth while some will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Let's look at the qualification for both heaven and earth in Matt 5

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

So not all JWs are poor in spirit

5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

Those who will inherit heaven they are not meek, I guess!

8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.

Since human can't see God and all believers won't be in heaven, then it means, people who will inherit earth are not pure in heart

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

If this is true, are millions of Jw not being persecuted today according to you people?

Adding this to people who are already qualified for heaven, that means 144,000 heavenly rulers will become millions corulers

Emusan:


Let's look at the qualification for both heaven and earth in Matt 5

3 Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

So not all JWs are poor in spirit

5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.

Those who will inherit heaven they are not meek, I guess!

8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.

Since human can't see God and all believers won't be in heaven, then it means, people who will inherit earth are not pure in heart

10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

If this is true, are millions of Jw not being persecuted today according to you people?

Adding this to people who are already qualified for heaven, that means 144,000 heavenly rulers will become millions corulers

So what's your point gangan?

cornelboy:


So what's your point gangan?

My points are that:

1. if only the meek will inherit the earth, that means people who will inherit the heaven are not MEEK?

2. If only those who are PURE IN HEART will see God, it means those who will inherit the earth are not PURE IN HEART.

3. If only those who are poor in spirit will inherit heaven, that means people who will inherit earth are not poor in spirit

4. If only those who are persecuted for righteousness sake will inherit heaven, you people lied that millions of JW are being persecuted for their beliefs.

Do you understand?

Emusan:


My point are that:

1. if only the meek will inherit the earth, that mean people who will inherit the heaven are not MEEK?

2. If only those who are PURE IN HEART will see God, it means those who will inherit the earth are not PURE IN HEART.

3. If only those who are poor in spirit will inherit heaven, that means people who will inherit earth are not poor in spirit

4. If only those who are persecuted for righteousness sake will inherit heaven, you people lied that millions of JW are being persecuted for their beliefs.

Do you understand?

Funny that he was seeking what was the point gangan. We no fit blame am. Their religious leaders have made 144,000 earth owners while the great crowd of other sheep are tenants

Emusan:


My points are that:

1. if only the meek will inherit the earth, that means people who will inherit the heaven are not MEEK?

2. If only those who are PURE IN HEART will see God, it means those who will inherit the earth are not PURE IN HEART.

3. If only those who are poor in spirit will inherit heaven, that means people who will inherit earth are not poor in spirit

4. If only those who are persecuted for righteousness sake will inherit heaven, you people lied that millions of JW are being persecuted for their beliefs.

Do you understand?

See am not as dull as you are.
Your only proving that the verses are contradicting.

The TRUTH is some will inherit the earth while some will inherit the kingdom!

cornelboy:
See am not as dull as you are.

The evidence is on this thread

Your only proving that the verses are contradicting.

No! Rather, it shows you don't understand the whole message in that Matt 5

The TRUTH is some will inherit the earth while some will inherit the kingdom!

The conditions of inheriting heaven and earth were all spelled out.

So kindly tell me which one you're not among these
1. Are you pure in heart?
2. Are you a meek JW?
3. Are you poor in spirit?
4. Are you being persecuted for righteousness sake?

Let's see the truth in your statement by providing simple yes or no to those questions.

Emusan:


The evidence is on this thread



No! Rather, it shows you don't understand the whole message in that Matt 5



The conditions of inheriting heaven and earth were all spelled out.

So kindly tell me which one you're not among these
1. Are you pure in heart?
2. Are you a meek JW?
3. Are you poor in spirit?
4. Are you being persecuted for righteousness sake?

Let's see the truth in your statement by providing simple yes or no to those questions.

First you need to know that inheriting heaven is not scriptural. It's inheriting the kingdom of heaven. Both are different.

I can't say I'm pure in heart, only God can judge that. Is anyone even pure?

Am I a meek? I'm not sure.

Maybe I'm poor in spirit though.

I'm not being persecuted for now.

One main criteria for inheriting the kingdom is being baptized by the holy spirit (born again).

So if your poor in spirit or pure in heart and are not baptized by the holy spirit, you can't inherit the kingdom.

It doesn't mean that some of the meek won't inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Someone that's pure in heart can also be a meek.
Only God knows the reward for each person. It might be inheriting the earth or the kingdom of heaven.

There are other verses in the Bible that say the righteous will inherit the earth. That doesn't implies that all the righteous will inherit the earth. Of course some will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Emusan:


You people are very funny

So Jesus was lying to the man that, the man will be with him in Paradise when Jesus Himself won't be in the same Paradise but heaven

"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20


"teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:20

Did Jesus prove to be present (physically) as he promised in the two statements above?

Emusan:


The evidence is on this thread



No! Rather, it shows you don't understand the whole message in that Matt 5



The conditions of inheriting heaven and earth were all spelled out.

So kindly tell me which one you're not among these
1. Are you pure in heart?
2. Are you a meek JW?
3. Are you poor in spirit?
4. Are you being persecuted for righteousness sake?

Let's see the truth in your statement by providing simple yes or no to those questions.

The new testaments was directed to 144000 you know

The reason they always explain to suit the 144,000 the other sheep na side attractions.

This is one of their explanation regarding Matthew 5:5

In what sense do the mild-tempered “inherit the earth”? Jesus’ spirit-anointed disciples inherit the earth when they rule over it as kings and priests. (Rev. 20:6) Millions of others who do not have the heavenly calling, however, will inherit the earth in the sense that they will be allowed to live here forever in perfection, peace, and happiness.

See how they are dividing and partitioning what was not divided.

Where in Matthew 5:5 did the scripture say some will inherit it by ruling as Kings over it and some will inherit it by allowing to live on the earth.

Great crowd of other sheep don suffer . Na allowance dey give them.


You see the LANDLORDS and TENANTS relationship here

cornelboy:


First you need to know that inheriting heaven is not scriptural. It's inheriting the kingdom of heaven. Both are different.

I can't say I'm pure in heart, only God can judge that. Is anyone even pure?

Am I a meek? I'm not sure.

Maybe I'm poor in spirit though.

I'm not being persecuted for now.

One main criteria for inheriting the kingdom is being baptized by the holy spirit (born again).

So if your poor in spirit or pure in heart and are not baptized by the holy spirit, you can't inherit the kingdom.

It doesn't mean that some of the meek won't inherit the kingdom of heaven.

Someone that's pure in heart can also be a meek.
Only God knows the reward for each person. It might be inheriting the earth or the kingdom of heaven.

There are other verses in the Bible that say the righteous will inherit the earth. That doesn't implies that all the righteous will inherit the earth. Of course some will inherit the kingdom of heaven.

La cram la pour. No digestion, nothing to filter as dem dey teach you.

Matthew 25:34 - 40 from the NWT......


Then the King will say to those on his right: ‘Come, you who have been blessed by my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the founding of the world. 35 For I became hungry and you gave me something to eat; I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you received me hospitably;+ 36 naked* and you clothed me.+ I fell sick and you looked after me. I was in prison and you visited me.’+ 37 Then the righteous ones will answer him with the words: ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?+ 38 When did we see you a stranger and receive you hospitably, or naked and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 In reply the King will say to them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’+


Simple question from this account who will inherit the Kingdom as said by Jesus Christ.

A. 144,000 aka Jesus' brothers or my brothers

B. Great crowd of other sheep aka the sheep on the right

C. I don't understand what you are talking about.

D. I choose to stick with my speculations and assumptions filled post

E. I want to see how well you understand your beliefs

AkinwaleJJ:


"For where there are two or three gathered together in my name, there I am in their midst.” Matthew 18:20


"teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:20

Did Jesus prove to be present (physically) as he promised in the two statements above?

I hope this is not a case of shooting oneself in the foot.

Physically

is

achorladey:

I hope this is not a case of shooting oneself in the foot.
is

You got the point!

If Jesus was never present (physically) after leaving the earth surely he wasn't talking about being with the thief physically in Paradise!

AkinwaleJJ:


You got the point!

If Jesus was never present (physically) after leaving the earth surely he wasn't talking about being with the thief physically in Paradise!

That is to say Jesus is with the thief spiritually. That's the message you are passing across. Correct?

Emusan:


You people are very funny

So Jesus was lying to the man that, the man will be with him in Paradise when Jesus Himself won't be in the same Paradise but heaven

Now that you're learning...
The earthly paradise that Jesus promised the thief will be governed by Jesus as King. Hence, Jesus will be with this thief and other countless deadones when he resurrect them from the grave to life in paradise earth (John 5:38,29 ; Rev 20:11-13; 21:3-4)

SHALOM!

OLAADEGBU:

What did Jesus mean when He said, "Today you will be with me in paradise"? Where does the comma belong in Luke 23:43?

TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE, YOU MUST THINK LIKE A HEBREW.

oaroloye:


. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart
out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate
therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all
that is written therein:
for then thou shalt
make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have
Good Success."

. PSALM 1:1-6.

BLESSED is the man
that walketh not
in The Counsel of the Ungodly,
nor standeth in the Way of Sinners,
nor sitteth in the Seat of the Scornful.
2. But his delight is
in The Law of The LORD;
and in His Law
doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree
planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit
in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth
shall prosper.
4. The Ungodly are not so:
but are like the chaff
which the wind driveth away.
5.Therefore the Ungodly
shall not stand
in The Judgment,
nor Sinners
in The Congregation
of The Righteous.
6. For The LORD knoweth
The Way of the Righteous:
but the Way of the Ungodly
shall Perish.

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser
than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more Understanding
than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies
are my meditation.
100. I understand
more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed
from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words
unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey
to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts
I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp
unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

IF YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING IN GENERAL, AND THE BIBLE IN PARTICULAR, IT IS ONLY BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN SINFULNESS.

If you are a Sinner, it is always the fault of your PARENTS. They were the only ones God gave the mandate to, to teach you The Way of God.

God never ordained any "APOSTLE," "PROPHET," "EVANGELIST," "PASTOR," or "TEACHER" to teach us HIS WAY, other than our PARENTS.

If our parents don't teach us His Way, then we are surely going to be lost.

GOD HAS NO BACKUP SYSTEM TO RESTORE US, IF OUR PARENTS HAVE F(*Bleep!*)D US UP TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CANNOT HEAR HIS VOICE, LET ALONE SEE HIM.

God cannot be summoned by Evil.

He is no one's TAIL: He is always THE HEAD.

oaroloye:


. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD,
THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "

. JOB 39:13-18.

13. "Gavest thou the goodly wings
unto the peacocks?
or wings and feathers
unto the ostrich?
14. "Which leaveth
her eggs in the earth,
and warmeth them in dust,
15. "And forgetteth
that the foot may crush them,
or that the wild beast
may break them.
16. "She is hardened
against her young ones,
as though they were not her's:
her labour is in vain without fear;
17. "Because God hath
deprived her of Wisdom,
neither hath He
imparted to her Understanding.
18." What time she
lifteth up herself on high,
she scorneth
the horse and his rider."

. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
and The Knowledge of
The Holy is Understanding.

.   ISAIAH 55:6-11.

6. Seek ye The LORD,
while He may be found,
call ye upon Him
while He is near.
7. Let the Wicked
forsake his Way,
and the Unrighteous Man
his Thoughts:
and let him return
unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy
upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly pardon.

8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS
(ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS
MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS
ARE HIGHER
THAN THE EARTH,
SO ARE MY WAYS
HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS,
AND MY THOUGHTS
THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.'

10. "For as the rain
cometh down,
and the snow from Heaven,
and returneth not thither,
but watereth the earth,
and maketh it bring forth
and bud,
that it may give seed
to the Sower,
and bread to the Eater:
11. "So shall My Word be
that goeth forth
out of My Mouth:
It shall not
return unto Me void,
but It shall accomplish
that which I please,
and It shall prosper
(in the thing)
whereto I sent It."

. 2^nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

. AMOS 3:3.

3. Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. ZECHARIAH 4:10.

10. For who hath despised
The Day of Small Things?
For they shall rejoice,
and shall see the plummet
in the hand of Zerubbabel
with those seven;
they are The Eyes of The LORD,
Which run to and fro
through the whole Earth.

IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF SEVEN YEARS OF DILIGENT STUDY AND HANDS-ON EXERCISE FOR A RIGHTEOUS PERSON TO LEARN AND UNDERSTAND THE WAY OF GOD- THERE IS NO WAY TO ACCELERATE THIS PROCESS.

It was the DUTY of your PARENTS to teach you This Way, growing up, between ages 13 through 20.

. DEUTERONOMY 6:1-9.

NOW these are the Commandments,
the Statutes, and the Judgments,
Which The LORD your God
Commanded to teach you,
that ye might do Them in the land
whither ye go to possess it:
2. That thou mightest fear
The LORD thy God,
to keep all his Statutes and His Commandments,
Which I command thee,
thou, and thy son, and thy son's son,
all the days of thy life;
and that thy days may be prolonged.
3. Hear therefore, O Israel,
and observe to do It;
that it may be well with thee,
and that ye may increase mightily,
as The LORD God of thy Fathers hath Promised thee,
in the land that floweth
with milk and honey.
4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this Day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently
unto thy Children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

IF YOUR PARENTS DID NOT TEACH YOU THE WAY OF GOD, IT IS BECAUSE THEY WANTED YOU TO DIE, AND THEY WANTED YOU TO LOSE YOUR SOUL.

No one is obliged to remedy this for you.

This is what the arrogant Colonial/Imperialist Oyinbos have never understood.

I HAVE EXPLAINED THESE THINGS ON NAIRALAND BEFORE.

oaroloye:
SHALOM!

THE MOST IMPORTANT SPIRITUAL DOCTRINE ON EARTH:

When any Creature is born, a manifestation of God imprints It with a fresh copy of The Commands of The Creator to their kind, and a feed of packets of Living Energy is connected to them, at a point on their Soul Body that is characteristic of their kind.

That of Humans is three finger-widths beneath the navel.

When any Creature dies, the feed that made them live disconnects, and manifests an Entity that requires a complete record of what was experienced by use of that Energy.

If this record is not forthcoming in a speedy fashion, the Entity cuts into the Soul Body, and extracts this Data by Brute Force. This inflicts further damage on the Soul Body, such that It cannot deploy Its AfterLife Body.

Scavenger Spirit Beings then attack It, and tear It to pieces, in the process of extracting Its last Life Energies- a thing they must do to survive.

Such Creatures as suffer such a Fate do not get to enjoy, nor suffer, an AfterLife.

They are destroyed on-the-spot.

Only those who are able to render a complete, uninterrupted copy of of their Life Experiences are not cut in sunder by the Accountant-Entity, which leaves them undamaged.

Those Soul Bodies then draw on the last Life Energies out of every cell, and use them to create a Spirit Energy Body, capable of housing their Mind, their Memories, and their Personality.

This Spiritual Body then goes to an AfterLife Fate, appropriate to how It lives Its life on Earth- in HEAVEN, in PARADISE, or in HELL.

This is only achieved by those who have died with the ability to TOTALLY RECALL every memory of their lives, from Birth-until-Death.

THIS IS BEST GUARANTEED BY A SIMPLE MEDITATIVE EXERCISE, WHICH WILL ENABLE ONE TO TOTALLY-RECALL THEIR WHOLE LIFE IN UNDER A YEAR OF PERSEVERANCE.

[See: DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard (1950).
SELF ANALYSIS, by L. Ron Hubbard (1951).
JOURNEY TO IXTLAN: The Lessons of Don Juan, by Carlos Castaneda (1973).
THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981).
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985)..
THE POWER OF SILENCE, by Carlos Castaneda (1987).
THE SORCERER'S CROSSING, by Taisha Abelar (1993).
THE EINSTEIN FACTOR: A Proven New Method for Increasing your Intelligence, by Win Wenger and Richard Poe (1995).]

THIS IS NOT A "BELIEF," NOR AN OPINION."

It applies to every Religion.

Those Religions that promise AfterLife on Heaven or Hell, without achieving TOTAL RECALL first, are all always false Religions.

They were invariably started or corrupted by the same creatures that feed upon the Souls of those ignorant, or neglectful, of the preparation process.

THE MOST IMPORTANT TRUTH ABOUT THIS DOCTRINE IS THAT IT IS EASY TO VERIFY.

The method that was used to determine what happens in the AfterLife can be used by anyone.

.  THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.  (Matt. 25.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

The Primary Goal of Evil is to prevent Man from attaining THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER.

It is difficult to deceive those people.

ATHEIST ROCK STAR, DAN BARKER, WAS A FULL GOSPEL PENTECOSTAL MINISTER FOR SEVENTEEN YEARS, BEFORE COMING OUT AS AN ATHEIST.

He had received the so-called BAPTISM OF THE HOLY GHOST, WITH EVIDENCE OF SPEAKING IN UNKNOWN TONGUES. He heard what he thought was "THE VOICE OF GOD," directing him to drive somewhere, and wait for someone who never showed. There were apparent MIRACLES OF HEALING in his Church.

He cried out for God to manifest Himself to him- and when it didn't happen, he declared himself an Atheist, and denied that there was any evidence that God Exists.

[See: GODLESS: How an Evangelical Minister became one of America's leading Atheists, by Dan Barker (2008).]

My second greatest Christian hero was KENNETH COPELAND. KENNETH ERWIN HAGIN taught me 95% of what I know about FAITH: the other half was taught me by KENNETH COPELAND (Yogi Berra reference, sorry).

After attending Kenneth Hagin's Pastor Seminars, Kenneth Copeland founded his Ministry in 1967. In 2015, Anglican Evangelical Preacher, TONY PALMER, publicly called him to come back to the Roman Catholic Church.

It then emerged that he was one of several influential Protestant Ministers, who had been secretly undercover Roman Catholics this whole time.

TONY PALMER exposed all of them, posing with POPE FRANCIS, he declared:

"NOW WE ARE NO MORE PROTESTANTS!"

Two weeks later, he died in a motorcycle "ACCIDENT."

MY POINT IS: TRUST NO ONE IN THIS RELIGION, BUT LORD YESHUA AND MOSES.

Forget about all these useless theological arguments the Oyinbos made up to waste our time, until you have THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER, and can see for yourself.

That is what EVERYTHING the Oyinbos do is aimed at.

Restroom:

Others point to Jesus parable about the rich man and Lazarus, recorded in Luke 16:19-31.

. LUKE 16:19-31.

19. There was
a certain rich man,
which was clothed
in purple and fine linen,
and fared sumptuously
every day:
20. And there was
a certain beggar
named Lazarus,
which was laid at his gate,
full of sores,
21. And desiring to be fed
with the crumbs
which fell from
the rich man's table:
moreover the dogs came
and licked his sores.
22. And it came to pass,
that the beggar died,
and was carried
by the Angels into
Abraham's Bosom:
the rich man also died,
and was buried;
23. And in Hell
he lift up his eyes,
being in torments,
and seeth Abraham
afar off,
and Lazarus in his bosom.
24. And he cried and said,

"Father Abraham,
have mercy on me,
and send Lazarus,
that he may dip
the tip of his finger in water,
and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented
in this flame."

25. But Abraham said,

"Son, remember
that thou in thy lifetime
receivedst thy Good Things,
and likewise Lazarus
Evil Things:
but now he is comforted,
and thou art tormented.
26. And beside all this,
between us and you
there is a great gulf fixed:
so that they which would
pass from hence
to you cannot;
neither can they pass to us,
that would come from thence."

27. Then he said,

"I pray thee therefore, father,
that thou wouldest send him
to my father's house:
28. "For I have five brethren;
that he may testify unto them,
lest they also come into
this place of torment."

29. Abraham saith unto him,

"They have Moses
and The Prophets;
let them hear them."

30. And he said,

"Nay, father Abraham:
but if one went unto them
from the Dead,
they will repent."

31. And he said unto him,

"If they hear not Moses
and The Prophets,
neither will they
be persuaded,
though one rose
from the Dead."

LORD YESHUA NEVER SAID THAT THE RICH MAN AND LAZARUS WERE A PARABLE.
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Lord Yeshua never said anything that was not literally true- whether in a Parable or otherwise.

For instance, he is never recorded as saying, "There was a Pig who flew...," or, "There was a Cow that jumped over the Moon...." His Parables were all based on things that happen in everyday life.

LORD YESHUA IS THE PRIMARY AUTHORITY FOR CHRISTIANS- THE ONLY WAY FOR CHRISTIANS TO GET F(*Bleep!*)D UP, IS TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSE PRIMARY AUTHORITY.

"AVRAHAM'S BOSOM" did not mean the literal bosom of Avraham, but a PLACE where the RIGHTEOUS SOULS THAT SURVIVE DEATH can go to.

That is what THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA JUDICAEA says. The Jews are descendants of 9^th Century converts to Yudahism, from a country called KHAZARIA- which is now called UKRAINE.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulan_(Khazar)

ALL THE OYINBOS, AND ARABS KNOW THIS AT LEADERSHIP LEVEL.

AVRAHAM AND HIS DESCENDANTS WERE ALL BLACKS- INCLUDING LORD YESHUA, CANAANITES, AND KEMETIANS.

King Bulan, who adopted Yudahism to unite his kingdom, consulted representatives of Yudahism, Christianity, and Islam, to determine which Religion was best for that purpose.

All those Power Blocs have been aware that THE JEWS WERE NEVER HEBREWS the whole time.

Giving them PALESTINE, as if it were their ancestral home, IS A CHARADE. It was not until the 15^th Century that the Oyinbos began claiming that the Hebrews and Lord Yeshua were Whites, like them.

Sunburn has been literally killing the Jews in Israel. (That is not a joke: IT IS LITERALLY KILLING THEM!) That is because that is not their ancestral homeland!

"HELL" is a place where the Souls of the Evil dead who survive the death of their bodies are RESTRAINED IN FIRE.

If they were allowed to roam free, they could do stupedous damage- from killing and destroying to harvest Spiritual Energy, to seizing the bodies of the Newborn, to steal another life.

AVRAHAM'S BOSOM is the PARADISE that Lord Yeshua and the Thief on the Other Cross went to together, after they died.

When Lord Yeshua Resurrected from the Dead, many Saints Resurrected with him.

They either went back to Avraham's Bosom, or Ascended to Heaven too.

. JOHN 14:28.

28. "Ye have heard
how I Said unto you,

[i]'I GO AWAY,
AND COME AGAIN
UNTO YOU.'

If ye loved me,
ye would rejoice,
because I Said,

'I GO UNTO
THE FATHER:'

for my Father
is greater than I."

. JOHN 20:17.

17. "Jesus Saith unto her,

"Touch me not;
for I am not yet
Ascended to my Father:
but go to my Brethren,
and say unto them,

'I ASCEND
UNTO MY FATHER,
AND YOUR FATHER;
AND TO MY GOD,
AND TO YOUR GOD.' "

Lord Yeshua could not Ascend to Heaven, until he had Resurrected from the Dead.

Most Old Testament Saints did not go to Heaven, because they did not have Heavenly Knowledge- which comes from keeping Heavenly Law.

LORD YESHUA PREACHED HEAVENLY LAW, SO HE HAD A RIGHT TO ASCEND INTO HEAVEN.

But he had depleted all of his Heavenly Spiritual Energy, spending It on "HARLOTS."

OLAADEGBU:


Was Jesus conscious when He died and was buried?

oaroloye:
Yes, Lord Yeshua was conscious while his Physical Body was dead, and his Soul was in Paradise preaching to the dead Saints of God.

. Luke 23:39-43.

39. And one of the malefactors
which were hanged railed on him,
saying,

"If thou be Christ,
save thyself and us."

40. But the other answering
rebuked him,
saying,

"Dost not thou fear God,
seeing thou art in
the same condemnation?
41. "And we indeed justly;
for we receive the due reward
of our deeds:
but this man hath done
nothing amiss."

42. And he said unto Jesus,

"Lord, remember me
when thou comest
into thy Kingdom."

43. And Jesus Said unto him,

"Verily I Say unto thee,

'TO DAY SHALT THOU
BE WITH ME IN PARADISE.' "

Whereas there was no such thing as punctuation in those days, so that Lord Yeshua COULD have been saying: "VERILY I SAY UNTO THEE TODAY..." we who believe in what he previously taught about The AfterLife, believe that the Traditional Rendering is correct, and Lord Yeshua and the penitent Thief went to ABRAHAM'S BOSOM in the Depths of the Earth.

PUNCTUATION AND SEPARATION BETWEEN WORDS HAD NOT BEEN INVENTED IN ANCIENT TIMES.

That is what makes the Greek Translations so important.