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Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 1:49pm On Jan 06, 2022
elated177:


You have just highlighted some of the Ten Commandments of YHVH Almighty, the Creator described in the Scriptures - Genesis to Revelation and the others not included.

Now, in the accounts of those other people, enuma elish and co, are there commandments as well?

What about the Omenala Igbo? You didn't mention any.

The same God the jews worship is the same God we igbos worship. He gave same laws to all of mankind.

The one in the tanakh was written down by jews for jews...
We wrote our own in odinani for igbos...

Comprende??
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 1:53pm On Jan 06, 2022
elated177:


"Chukwu" means big God. It is not a name but a title. What is the name of your god?



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukwu#:~:text=Conception%20of%20Chukwu,deity%20represented%20by%20the%20sun.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 1:55pm On Jan 06, 2022
elated177:


I still want answer to that question. Just mention some of the rules and commandments.

You should have given some of the Omenala Igbo, since you are Igbo.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 2:00pm On Jan 06, 2022
Myer:


You really need to read the bible more and not just the Synoptic gospels. It's ok to prioritize the synoptics but do make time to read you read others old testament and the epistles.

God's plan has always been to save the rest of the world through Abraham. Genesis 22:18

Jesus came to save the lost sheep of Israel first and foremost but after they rejected him, he sent his disciples to the rest of the world.

That's irrefutable.

Who are the lost sheep in Israel? I need evidence from old testament.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 2:06pm On Jan 06, 2022
Myer:


I'm not arguing with you but if you have studied the old testament Prophets you'll know this was all prophesied.

That the Israelites will provoke God to jealousy and he will in turn reject them and bless the Gentiles more than them to also make them jealous.

This is prophesied by one of the Prophets Ezekiel or Isaiah. Paul also mentioned this.

So Jesus like you said was sent directly and strictly to the Israelites. Which was why he rejected the Gentile woman who wanted him to heal her daughter. But he eventually healed her daughter due to her faith.

It was for the prophecy to be fulfilled that the Israelites rejected him so that the blessing can be extended to the rest of the world.
That God will provoke the Jews into jealousy when they see him blessing the Gentiles. And so return to him and accept Jesus Christ.

Yes a few Jews accepted Jesus and still few Jews accept him today. So the purpose of God is yet to be fulfilled. Cos it's only a minority of the Jews that accept him. The majority have rejected him as a false prophet who tried to destroy the established religion Moses laid down. In fact if you do your research ,in most Jewish temples they place curses on Jesus every time.


Are the jews wrong to do that?

Did God ever tell them he was going to send his son?

God was punishing them and sending them on exile because they where worshipping idols. The gods of other nations..why should he punished them now for obeying his commandments of not worshipping the likeness and image of a human being??
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by elated177: 7:41pm On Jan 06, 2022
sonmvayina:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

Do you think I have the time for that?
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by elated177: 7:42pm On Jan 06, 2022
sonmvayina:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chukwu#:~:text=Conception%20of%20Chukwu,deity%20represented%20by%20the%20sun.

Is that where the name of your god is?
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by elated177: 7:44pm On Jan 06, 2022
sonmvayina:


The same God the jews worship is the same God we igbos worship. He gave same laws to all of mankind.

The one in the tanakh was written down by jews for jews...
We wrote our own in odinani for igbos...

Comprende??

All you had to do was mention some of the odinala which you have been on about.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:51pm On Jan 06, 2022
elated177:


All you had to do was mention some of the odinala which you have been on about.

I will do you better..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:53pm On Jan 06, 2022
elated177:


Is that where the name of your god is?

Chineke.....
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:56pm On Jan 06, 2022
elated177:


Do you think I have the time for that?

You don't really want to know anything...


You are comfortable with being ignorant...

With cheap data on all network? Ignorance is now a choice. And you just made a choice to be one...

Read it. Even if you don't agree with it.

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Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by elated177: 10:20am On Jan 07, 2022
sonmvayina:


You don't really want to know anything...


You are comfortable with being ignorant...

With cheap data on all network? Ignorance is now a choice. And you just made a choice to be one...

Read it. Even if you don't agree with it.

This is where we are having the discourse. Why not mention some of them here so we can analyze them?
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by elated177: 10:20am On Jan 07, 2022
sonmvayina:


Chineke.....

Another title.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by elated177: 10:22am On Jan 07, 2022
sonmvayina:


I will do you better..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

Doing one better would be mentioning them here. I never asked you to refer me to any material.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by Hismasterpiece(m): 12:41pm On Apr 13, 2022
sonmvayina:
Christians believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and that one who does not have a blood sacrifice will die in their sins and go to hell. For Christians, the ultimate and only blood sacrifice that counts with God came in the death of Jesus. Christianity believes that if one does not accept the death of Jesus as one’s blood sacrifice, then one is condemned to an eternity enduring the punishments of hell.

In Judaism the centrality of the animal sacrifices ceased, not with the second destruction of the Temple by the Romans, but rather with the first destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians. One must keep in mind that the vast majority of Jews never returned to the Promised Land under Cyrus of Persia. They remained in Babylonia. By the time Jesus was said to have been born, eighty percent of the world’s Jewish community lived outside the Promised Land, and did not care about the cessation of animal sacrifices. When the Temple was reestablished, the Jews of Babylonia made an annual financial gift for the maintenance of the Temple and the land, but never worried that God would not forgive them their sins without a blood sacrifice (much as Jews all over the world do today). They had no such fear because the Bible makes it explicitly clear that no blood sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins. The Bible also makes it clear that an animal sacrifice is not the exclusive means of obtaining forgiveness.

Heb 9:22 In fact, we can say that according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified by sprinkling with blood. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.

@ the bolded.. How can you say that the Bible makes it clear that no blood sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins? Let the Bible speak for itself.. Next time read the Bible very well before making an uninformed comment..
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 11:45pm On Apr 13, 2022
Hismasterpiece:


Heb 9:22 In fact, we can say that according to the law of Moses, nearly everything was purified by sprinkling with blood. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sins.

@ the bolded.. How can you say that the Bible makes it clear that no blood sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins? Let the Bible speak for itself.. Next time read the Bible very well before making an uninformed comment..

Why would any one who wants to read the Bible start from the middle, I guess the best thing to do is start from the beginning..
Animal sacrifices where only for unintentional sins..

For other sins ..it is not effective. What God desired was a contrite heart or a broken spirit..

If my people who are called by my name will humble themselves and confess their sin and seek my face and forsake their evil ways, I will hear from heaven and forgive their sins and heal their land ..2nd Chronicles 7:14. What God desired is a sincere repentance.. no human or animal sacrifices we ever desired or necessary..

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Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by budaatum: 1:31am On Apr 14, 2022
sonmvayina:


I will do you better..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

Odinani is a pantheistic and polytheistic faith, having a strong central deity at its head.[2][3] All things spring from this deity. Although a pantheon of other gods and spirits, these being Ala, Amadiọha, Anyanwụ, Ekwensu, Ikenga, exists in the belief system, as it does in many other Traditional African religions, the lesser deities prevalent in Odinani expressly serve as helpers or elements of Chukwu, the central deity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odinala

Explains how the Igbos could adopt Catholicism, with its God and Sons and angels and spirits and saints and popes and devils.

Didn't the Igbo Gods require sacrifice?
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:29am On Apr 15, 2022
budaatum:




Explains how the Igbos could adopt Catholicism, with its God and Sons and angels and spirits and saints and popes and devils.

Didn't the Igbo Gods require sacrifice?

All Gods require sacrifices...whether white or black..
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:32am On Apr 15, 2022
From a reliable Jewish source..
They defined the concept of a Messiah,I guess it will do us a lot of good to listen to them. I mean, they say a Messiah is a normal human being and not a demigod..why argue with them?


Prophecies of the Last Moshiach.

The concept of Moshiach is taught in the Tanach, and clearly teaches all the following criteria must be fullfilled for any person to be seen as Moshiach.

1. Moschiach will reign as King of Israel and gather all Jews from exile back to Israel. Jews will flood to Israel. Duet 30:3, Isaiah 11:11~12, Jeremiah 30:3, 32: 37, Ezekial 11:17, 36:24.
....however Jesus was not King and Jews didn't flock to Israel.

2. The Holy Temple in Jerusalem will be rebuilt. Isaiah 2:2~3, 56:6~7, 60:7, 66:20, Ezekiel 37:26~27, Malachi 3:4, Zechariah 14: 20~21.
.....the Temple was still not yet rebuilt.

3. World wide peace and an end to all wars. Universal disarming of weapons. Micah 4:1~4, Hoseah 2:20, Isaiah 2:1~4, 60:18.
...obviously war exists still, and many wars are fought in the name of Jesus.

4. Moschiach reigns as King and all Jews will follow commandments of the Torah. Ezekiel 37:24, Deuteronomy 30:8~10, Jeremiah 31:32, Ezekiel 11:19~20, 36: 26~27
...all Jews are not embracing Torah and certainly not following the commandents.

5. Moschiach will rule Israel and the whole world will put down all other religions and the world will reconize and serve the One true Lord of Israel. Zechariah 3:9, 8:23, 14:9~16, Isaiah 45:23, 66:23, Jeremiah 31:33, Ezekiel 38:23, Psalms 86:9, Zephaniah 3:9
...obviously this hasn't happened.

6. Moshiach must be from the Tribe of Judah and a direct descendant of King David and King Solomon.
Genesis 49:10, 2 Samuel 7:12~14,
1 Chronicles 22:9~10, Numbers 1:1~18.
...Genealogy is only passed from father to son in Tanach. The Christian Bible says he didn't have a father from the Tribe of Judah

7, Ezekiel 46:1-4, the true Moshiach to come will offer HaShem burnt sacrifices of six lambs on the Sabbath and new moons in the 3Rd temple.. where does that leave your jesus?

8 HaShem does not accept human sacrifices!! It is an abomination to him... Deuteronomy 12:30-31

9. The Last Moshiach will re-establish Sacrifices to Hashem!
Ezekial 45:22וְעָשָׂ֤ה הַנָּשִׂיא֙ בַּיּ֣וֹם הַה֔וּא בַּעֲד֕וֹ וּבְעַ֖ד כָּל־עַ֣ם הָאָ֑רֶץ פַּ֖ר חַטָּֽאת׃
On that day, the prince shall provide a bull of sin offering on behalf of himself and of the entire population;"
Ezekial 45:23וְשִׁבְעַ֨ת יְמֵֽי־הֶחָ֜ג יַעֲשֶׂ֧ה עוֹלָ֣ה לַֽיהוָ֗ה שִׁבְעַ֣ת פָּ֠רִים וְשִׁבְעַ֨ת אֵילִ֤ים תְּמִימִם֙ לַיּ֔וֹם שִׁבְעַ֖ת הַיָּמִ֑ים וְחַטָּ֕את שְׂעִ֥יר עִזִּ֖ים לַיּֽוֹם׃
and during the seven days of the festival, he shall provide daily—for seven days—seven bulls and seven rams, without blemish, for a burnt offering to the LORD, and one goat daily for a sin offering.

.

"If you keep the Shabbat properly, according to Halacha (Jewish law) you will be saved from 3 tribulations:
1. The great pain before the arrival of Mashiach
2. Gog and Magog war (the final world war),
3. and from the great judgement day."
(Machilta)

Talmud Bavli Shabbat 118a

The Messiah is going to be a regular person whom will need to ask for forgiveness of his sins, like the rest of us, Ezekiel 45:22 reaffirms this, the Messiah will have to bring a sin offering on behalf of himself as well as the nation of Israel, so the Messiah can't be God! He will be a regular man and God will never be, or a man who lies.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 7:40am On Apr 15, 2022
The reason why God ordered the total destruction of those tribes was because they engaged in abomination and detestable acts which includes human sacrifices. For somebody to postulates or teach that God sent his son as a human sacrifice to end all sacrifices is nothing short of insanity....

I detest the whole Christian idea of human sacrifice, it is abominable, horrible and injuriouss for anybody to cling to such mad concept. Somebody being punished for a crime he never committed is against natural justice. It does not sit well with human , I don't think it will fly with God.

The soul that sinners should die..simple and short.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:55am On Apr 15, 2022
sonmvayina:

First and foremost MaxInDHouse, God created both life and death. Death was created to give meaning to life. Without death, life would be meaningless...trust me.
Secondly where did you get the idea of moving from Adam decendants to Jesus decendants? Whose idea I it. When did God plan this ?
When did god plan this transition?
You just following and believing whatever you like..?

Adam's descendants are still fighting and killing one another till today {Revelations 6:2-3} over whose right is it to set standards in their society {Genesis 3:4-5} while Jesus' descendants are working towards one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers under one God! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 smiley
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by Ken4Christ: 10:14am On Apr 15, 2022
sonmvayina:
Christians believe that one needs a blood sacrifice for the forgiveness of sin and that one who does not have a blood sacrifice will die in their sins and go to hell. For Christians, the ultimate and only blood sacrifice that counts with God came in the death of Jesus. Christianity believes that if one does not accept the death of Jesus as one’s blood sacrifice, then one is condemned to an eternity enduring the punishments of hell.

In Judaism the centrality of the animal sacrifices ceased, not with the second destruction of the Temple by the Romans, but rather with the first destruction of the Temple by the Babylonians. One must keep in mind that the vast majority of Jews never returned to the Promised Land under Cyrus of Persia. They remained in Babylonia. By the time Jesus was said to have been born, eighty percent of the world’s Jewish community lived outside the Promised Land, and did not care about the cessation of animal sacrifices. When the Temple was reestablished, the Jews of Babylonia made an annual financial gift for the maintenance of the Temple and the land, but never worried that God would not forgive them their sins without a blood sacrifice (much as Jews all over the world do today). They had no such fear because the Bible makes it explicitly clear that no blood sacrifice is necessary for the forgiveness of sins. The Bible also makes it clear that an animal sacrifice is not the exclusive means of obtaining forgiveness.

I don't know which Bible you are using. The Bible I know says otherwise. The book of Hebrews says;

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD is no remission.

And the blood of Jesus was shed to take away our sins. Hence, when John the Baptist saw him, he said;

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Apostle Paul also wrote;

Ephesians 1:7 In whom WE HAVE REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.

Apostle Peter said the same thing;

1st Peter 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 BUT WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, as of a lamb without blemish and without SPOT.

There are many more scriptures that counters your submission. Please, study well before you mislead people with wrong information.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by orisa37: 10:27am On Apr 15, 2022
YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG.
JESUS IS A PRAYER AWAY TO AND FROM GOD.
AS THE YORUBAS KNOW IT,
JESUS IS ODU-DU-IWA.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 12:13pm On Apr 15, 2022
Ken4Christ:


I don't know which Bible you are using. The Bible I know says otherwise. The book of Hebrews says;

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and WITHOUT SHEDDING OF BLOOD is no remission.

And the blood of Jesus was shed to take away our sins. Hence, when John the Baptist saw him, he said;

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Apostle Paul also wrote;

Ephesians 1:7 In whom WE HAVE REDEMPTION THROUGH HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace.

Apostle Peter said the same thing;

1st Peter 1:18-19
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 BUT WITH THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF CHRIST, as of a lamb without blemish and without SPOT.

There are many more scriptures that counters your submission. Please, study well before you mislead people with wrong information.

Where did Paul get the idea from?

Definitely not from the scriptures...
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 12:15pm On Apr 15, 2022
orisa37:
YOU GOT IT ALL WRONG.
JESUS IS A PRAYER AWAY TO AND FROM GOD.
AS THE YORUBAS KNOW IT,
JESUS IS ODU-DU-IWA.

Lol....funny you will say that...

Which God?

Is it the one that commanded "do not have any other God before me"

Or another one?
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 12:20pm On Apr 15, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Adam's descendants are still fighting and killing one another till today {Revelations 6:2-3} over whose right is it to set standards in their society {Genesis 3:4-5} while Jesus' descendants are working towards one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers under one God! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3 smiley

And I say it is in vain..because

God Is not involved because it is not his will.

He did not order or approve it
So you are as good as wasting your time.

I wonder who you are trying to impress ?
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by bid4rich(m): 12:35pm On Apr 15, 2022
If you dont need Jesus, you'll surely need the devil because life abhor vacuum.

But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:11pm On Apr 15, 2022
sonmvayina:

And I say it is in vain..because
God Is not involved because it is not his will.
He did not order or approve it
How do you know if something is according to God's will?
Well it will surely take place and everyone will see that it's happening exactly as God revealed in His plan {Isaiah 55:8-11}
See what God revealed as sign of the time when His will begin happening gradually in the midst of mankind:
In the last days the mountain of the LORD’s temple will be established as the highest of the mountains; it will be exalted above the hills, and all nations will stream to it.
Many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths." The law will go out from Zion, the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3


sonmvayina:

So you are as good as wasting your time.
I wonder who you are trying to impress?

The highlighted! smiley
So you feel impressed with my comments, shey?
Well it's only the truth that impresses people, lies doesn't prefer any solution but worthless arguments of no practical benefits! smiley
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by budaatum: 1:26pm On Apr 15, 2022
sonmvayina:


All Gods require sacrifices...whether white or black..

Blood sacrifices, son? What for?

And is that not the reason Gods die?
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by Ken4Christ: 2:15pm On Apr 15, 2022
sonmvayina:


Where did Paul get the idea from?

Definitely not from the scriptures...

It wasn't Paul's idea. He got it by revelation. He was once the chief persecutor of those who believe in Jesus until he had an encounter with him. He said in one of his letter;

Galatians 2:2 And I went up by REVELATION, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by orisa37: 3:00pm On Apr 15, 2022
sonmvayina:


Lol....funny you will say that...

Which God?

Is it the one that commanded "do not have any other God before me"

Or another one?


Please go to a good BIBLE SCHOOL AND LEARN.
Re: Why I Don't Need Jesus. by sonmvayina(m): 3:13pm On Apr 15, 2022
orisa37:



Please go to a good BIBLE SCHOOL AND LEARN.

Is it the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob?

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