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Sixfiguresmart:
out of all those in the mortuary in our day, is there anyone who believed in Jesus?

Should one believe in Jesus or in the pastor?

The Bible said HE CURED THEM ALL.

Why are the ALL not being cured in churches today?

Why does one have to go to the church to get a cure when Jesus walked ABOUT healing and resurrecting?

Who is the pastor with such power today? I truly crave to know

He only cured them all that came to hear him and be healed of their diseases.

On one occasion when he came to the pool of Bethesda, only one man was healed out of great multitude of impotent folks.

John 5:2-13
2.Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. note

3 In these LAY A GREAT MULTITUDE OF IMPOTENT FOLK, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.

4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.

6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?

7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.

8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.

11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.

12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?

13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.

Notice, it was just one man that was made whole hear.

Sixfiguresmart:
Like who? Mention his name and let us assess his record

I know Paps Adeboye, Bishop Oyedebo, Rev Kumuyi are genuine men of God. So, begin your scrutiny. Mr Judge.

MaxInDHouse:
LIES! LIES!! LIES!!!
Jesus WAS God in their midst {John 1:1 compare to Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23} so whether you believe or not once you are carried to him you will be healed!
Majority of those who got healed by Jesus later turned back and never followed him again {John 6:66} perhaps they will go to heaven for once being disciples shey?
Stop deceiving yourselves. Whatever makes a sick person leaves the comfort of his home to a place simply because he heard a man of God is there surely is evidence of faith!

But Jesus could not perform great miracles in his own town because they did not believe;

Mark 6:5-6
5 And he COULD THERE DO NO MIGHTY WORK, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

6 And he marvelled BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

genkins:
Lol.. See excuse.. Hahahajajajajj

It's no excuse. After most of the miracles Jesus performed, he usually tell them that your faith has made you whole. So your faith has a role to play in receiving from God.

Ken4Christ:
I know Paps Adeboye, Bishop Oyedebo, Rev Kumuyi are genuine men of God. So, begin your scrutiny. Mr Judge.

So upon all your blind arguments on Nairaland, these are your so called Men Of God?
Well this is not about judging but screening them through the spiritual lense Jesus gave all of us which is his WORDS!
Are these people religious title chiefs in todays society ? Matthew 23:8
Do they go for higher seats at occasions and loved to be greeted with regards to their titles anywhere they go? Matthew 23:6-7
Do they set rules in the society so that their follower may protest against constituted authorities? Matthew 23:1-5
Do they collect religious rites from their followers to acquire material possessions in their own names? Matthew 23:23
What order from Jesus {Matthew 10:11-13} are those following them obeying in the society? Matthew 7:16-18
Are their followers harmless just as Jesus commanded his disciples not to lead with weapons? Matthew 26:52
What example are they setting for their followers, greed for worldly material possessions or heavenly glory? Matthew 6:24

MaxInDHouse:
Once a man leaves the gathering of fellow believers and chose to be addressed as Pastor, Prophet, Apostle, Reverend or any other title having to do with religion in the public Jesus Christ of Nazareth said such a person is FAKE!

But you, do not you be called Rabbi (religious teacher), for one is your Teacher, and all of you are brothers. Matthew 23:8

So whenever you see anyone addressed with a religious title in the public {Matthew 23:5-7} know today that he is an agent of the Devil all true believers bow to each word Jesus uttered out from his mouth because we know that not a single word of Jesus should be ignored!

The scripture says it's God who gave the church these ministry gifts - Ephesians 4:11.

Our Lord Jesus just does not want people to be over magnified. Were there no prophets in the Old Testament that God himself called and anointed?

MaxInDHouse:
So upon all your blind arguments on Nairaland, these are your so called Men Of God?
Well this is not about judging but screening them through the spiritual lense Jesus gave all of us which is his WORDS!
Are these people religious title chiefs in todays society ? Matthew 23:8
Do they go for higher seats at occasions and loved to be greeted with regards to their titles anywhere they go? Matthew 23:6-7
Do they set rules in the society so that their follower may protest against constituted authorities? Matthew 23:1-5
Do they collect religious rites from their followers to acquire material possessions in their own names? Matthew 23:23
What order from Jesus {Matthew 10:11-13} are those following them obeying in the society? Matthew 7:16-18
Are their followers harmless just as Jesus commanded his disciples not to lead with weapons? Matthew 26:52
What example are they setting for their followers, greed for worldly material possessions or heavenly glory? Matthew 6:24

There is nothing wrong in being rich. God made Abraham very rich. He gave King Solomon uncommon wealth. I will also be very wealthy. What matters is not your wealth but what you do with it.

Ken4Christ:
The scripture says it's God who gave the church these ministry gifts - Ephesians 4:11.

Our Lord Jesus just does not want people to be over magnified. Were there no prophets in the Old Testament that God himself called and anointed?

The prophets in the Old Testament weren't recognized elsewhere but within those who worship their God in Israel. So when Paul talked about the gifts of God's Holy Spirit he wasn't referring to titles to be attached to our names outside the congregation of God.
God's servants only act as Prophets, Apostles, Teaches and Shepherds in the midst of their fellow believers otherwise it will be easy for their enemies to track them if they were going about back then with such titles.
So learn today that we only have those offices as our ministerial duty posts not titles to be attached to our names publicly! Matthew 23:7

Ken4Christ:
There is nothing wrong in being rich. God made Abraham very rich. He gave King Solomon uncommon wealth. I will also be very wealthy. What matters is not your wealth but what you do with it.

I thought you will quote Jesus of Nazareth not talking about people who lived before the Kingdom of heaven became difficult to enter! Matthew 11:12

My friend Jesus taught us to live like average men in the society so we won't need to always go about with armed security guards {Luke 18:18-23} do you now see why those you mentioned can't follow Jesus' orders to preach from house to house and door to door? Matthew 10:11-13

Well it's due to their wealth and fear of those who are eyeing such material possessions that they can't obey Jesus. So they have to continue moving about with fully armed security guards to protect them from those in need of what they possessed.

No wonder Jesus said:

“How difficult it will be for those having money to make their way into the Kingdom of God! It is easier, in fact, for a camel to get through the eye of a sewing needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God.” Luke 18:24-25

So don't think any of those who lived before John are worthy of God's blessings like John the Baptist because Jesus himself said:

"Truly I say to you, among those born of women, there has not been raised up anyone greater than John the Baptist, but a lesser person in the Kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is" Matthew 11:11

Because after John the baptist whoever wants to worship the God of Abraham must forgo rishes! Matthew 6:24 compare to Luke 18:22

May you have PEACE!

Ken4Christ:
He only cured them all that came to hear him and be healed of their diseases.

On one occasion when he came to the pool of Bethesda, only one man was healed out of great multitude of impotent folks.
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Notice, it was just one man that was made whole hear.

In John Chapters 8 and 9, you are told the story of a man who didn't even know who Jesus Christ was, yet was healed by Him.

Stop lying in the name of God abeg!

Ken4Christ:
I know Paps Adeboye, Bishop Oyedebo, Rev Kumuyi are genuine men of God. So, begin your scrutiny. Mr Judge.

All those men are false teachers and false prophets... they all preach lies in the name of Jesus Christ.. the very leaven Jesus Christ warned you to beware of.

Ken4Christ:
But Jesus could not perform great miracles in his own town because they did not believe;

Mark 6:5-6
5 And he COULD THERE DO NO MIGHTY WORK, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.

6 And he marvelled BECAUSE OF THEIR UNBELIEF. And he went round about the villages, teaching.

He laid hands on the sick in His home town and healed them, did He not?

That unbelief caused many sick not to come out to be healed by Him doesn't mean Jesus Christ didnt heal those who did.

Ken4Christ:
It's no excuse. After most of the miracles Jesus performed, he usually tell them that your faith has made you whole. So your faith has a role to play in receiving from God.

Jesus Christ did not say that in all cases, again, this since He healed many who did not know him nor believe to begin with..

Ken4Christ:
The scripture says it's God who gave the church these ministry gifts - Ephesians 4:11.

Our Lord Jesus just does not want people to be over magnified. Were there no prophets in the Old Testament that God himself called and anointed?

Jesus Christ(God) did not say what is written in Ephesians to you. God cannot lie neither can He change His mind.

God Himself declared that in His New Covenant, Jesus Christ, He alone will be Teacher to all those who belong to Him - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34. So what Jesus Christ repeated in Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 to His followers is what God said through His prophets confirmed.

Ken4Christ:
I know Paps Adeboye, Bishop Oyedebo, Rev Kumuyi are genuine men of God. So, begin your scrutiny. Mr Judge.

They are all thieves. False prophets

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ(God) did not say what is written in Ephesians to you. God cannot lie neither can He change His mind.

God Himself declared that in His New Covenant, Jesus Christ, He alone will be Teacher to all those who belong to Him - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34. So what Jesus Christ repeated in Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10 to His followers is what God said through His prophets confirmed.

Who called Paul into the ministry? Was it not Jesus. And he is the only Apostle in the Bible who boldly said he has finished his assignment on earth. The ministry of Jesus is incomplete without the Apostles.

Ephesians 2 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.

You see that the teachings of the Apostles and Prophets are part of the foundation of the church.

You are an evil man
A bad bad man
A false prophet

Ken4Christ:
He only cured them all that came to hear him and be healed of their diseases.

On one occasion when he came to the pool of Bethesda, only one man was healed out of great multitude of impotent folks.

John 5:2-13
2.Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. note

3 In these LAY A GREAT MULTITUDE OF IMPOTENT FOLK, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.

4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.

5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.

6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time in that case, he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?

7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.

8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.

9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.

10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry thy bed.

11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.

12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?

13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in that place.

Notice, it was just one man that was made whole hear.

Hmmm!

So who are the men of God in naija?

Sixfiguresmart:
You are an evil man
A bad bad man
A false prophet

On the contrary, people like him are either brainwashed or trying to support their church so please don't tag any human as EVIL, to an extent we are all good and nice depending on the circumstances we find ourselves, that's why Jesus' preaching capitalized on how we can manage our circumstances instead of allowing it to mold us!

Ken4Christ:
1. Who called Paul into the ministry? Was it not Jesus. And he is the only Apostle in the Bible who boldly said he has finished his assignment on earth. The ministry of Jesus is incomplete without the Apostles.

Ephesians 2 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone.

You see that the teachings of the Apostles and Prophets are part of the foundation of the church.

1. You would need to ask Paul that question because I was not there in Paul's vision to confirm who in fact did, and since he is still in his grave awaiting Jesus Christ's return and judgement, you can think up how to do that.

Regardless of his bold claims, the fact is much of the entries in letters attributed to him directly contradict Jesus Christ and since Jesus Christ is the one who God commands that we trust and obey in this, God's Truth prevails.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not say that in all cases, again, this since He healed many who did not know him nor believe to begin with..

I am going to give you many witnesses that their faith played a role in receiving their miracles;

Matthew 8:5-10
5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,

6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I HAVE NOT FOUND SO GREAT FAITH, no, not in Israel.

Notice verse 10. Jesus saw his faith.

Matthew 9:1-3
1 And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city.

2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus SEEING THEIR FAITH said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.

Hear again Jesus saw their faith.

Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, THY FAITH HATH MADE THEE WHOLE; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

I could go on and on. I know there are few exemptions to this. But this is the basis. This is why the Bible says that without faith, it is impossible to please God - Hebrews 11:6.

Kobojunkie:
He laid hands on the sick in His home town and healed them, did He not?

That unbelief caused many sick not to come out to be healed by Him doesn't mean Jesus Christ didnt heal those who did.

Notice the phrase, 'He could not do' It means he attempted to perform some miracles but he could not. It did not say, he did not. It said, he could not.

Ken4Christ:
Notice the phrase, 'He could not do' It means he attempted to perform some miracles but he could not. It did not say, he did not. It said, he could not.

You are kidding, right? You mean to suggest that there were those who Jesus Christ tried to heal but failed to?

You are saying here that God is not at All-Almighty?

Ken4Christ:
I am going to give you many witnesses that their faith played a role in receiving their miracles;

Matthew 8:5-10
5 And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a centurion, beseeching him,

6 And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy, grievously tormented.

7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.

8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.

9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.

10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I HAVE NOT FOUND SO GREAT FAITH, no, not in Israel.

Notice verse 10. Jesus saw his faith.

Matthew 9:1-3
1 And he entered into a ship, and passed over, and came into his own city.

2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus SEEING THEIR FAITH said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.

Hear again Jesus saw their faith.

Mark 5:34 And he said unto her, Daughter, THY FAITH HATH MADE THEE WHOLE; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague.

I could go on and on. I know there are few exemptions to this. But this is the basis. This is why the Bible says that without faith, it is impossible to please God - Hebrews 11:6.

Jesus Christ did not say that in all cases, again, this since He healed many who did not know him nor believe to begin with.

Jesus Christ healed several hundreds. Pointing to a handful of cases where faith was implied does not change the fact that Jesus Christ healed so many more who did not have faith including those who did not even know of Him nor believe.

Ken4Christ:
Notice the phrase, 'He could not do' It means he attempted to perform some miracles but he could not. It did not say, he did not. It said, he could not.

Do you believe that the father was with the Son (Jesus) all through his earthly ministry? John 8:29

Well if you do please readjust your thinking because Jesus said:

“With men it is impossible but not so with God, for ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD.” Mark 10:27

Jesus mustn't fail in anything that's brought to him because that's the only evidence he has to prove that he is the Christ who will undo all the evil things both in heaven and on earth! Matthew 28:18

So please readjust your thinking!

MaxInDHouse:
On the contrary, people like him are either brainwashed or trying to support their church so please don't tag any human as EVIL, to an extent we are all good and nice depending on the circumstances we find ourselves, that's why Jesus' preaching capitalized on how we can manage our circumstances instead of allowing it to mold us!

Bro, I mean it when I call that man evil. He has an established demon dwelling in him. There is nothing you can say to him to bring him back. That's why I went straight for the shot rather than engaging in fruitless fracas.

He is not only brainwashed but he has a demon in him. Believe me when I say it. That man needs help. Serious help that can only come from God

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe that the father was with the Son (Jesus) all through his earthly ministry? John 8:29

Well if you do please readjust your thinking because Jesus said:

“With men it is impossible but not so with God, for ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD.” Mark 10:27

Jesus mustn't fail in anything that's brought to him because that's the only evidence he has to prove that he is the Christ who will undo all the evil things both in heaven and on earth! Matthew 28:18

So please readjust your thinking!

I didn't write the scripture. You just read it. It said, he could not. And you only say so if one tried and failed. And he gave the reason. It was because of their unbelief. I don't know what is difficult to understand there.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ did not say that in all cases, again, this since He healed many who did not know him nor believe to begin with.

Jesus Christ healed several hundreds. Pointing to a handful of cases where faith was implied does not change the fact that Jesus Christ healed so many more who did not have faith including those who did not even know of Him nor believe.

The multitudes he healed first heard the word preached which built up their faith.

Luke 5:15 But so much the more went there a fame abroad of him: and great multitudes CAME TOGETHER TO HEAR , and TO BE HEALED by him of their infirmities.

They had to hear the word first before they got healed.

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and PREACHING the gospel of the kingdom, and HEALING all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

The preaching came before the healing as you see in the passage above. He had to preach first so they could have faith to receive their healing.

In another passage, it said;

Matthew 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, TEACHING in their synagogues, and PREACHING the gospel of the kingdom, and HEALING every sickness and every disease among the people.

You see the consistency with the other passages. But hear, teaching was added. He taught first and preached before he could heal.

Kobojunkie:
You are kidding, right? You mean to suggest that there were those who Jesus Christ tried to heal but failed to?

You are saying here that God is not at All-Almighty?

He is still Almighty but if you don't believe, there is nothing he can do. This is why everyone is not saved. He can force you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. You have to believe first.

Sixfiguresmart:
You are an evil man
A bad bad man
A false prophet

I am not. I am a child of God. I believe in Jesus. But I am only proving to you that Jesus didn't heal everyone in his days. I didn't write the Bible. I just gave you the evidence of the scripture. So, you shouldn't expect any man of God to start healing every sick. Your faith has a role to play. And there are several scriptures that attest to this truth.

Ken4Christ:
He is still Almighty but if you don't believe, there is nothing he can do. This is why everyone is not saved. He can force you to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. You have to believe first.

Jesus Christ never said you have to be saved or believe in order to be healed by God.

He even kicked out demons from those who didn't appreciate Him yet you consider the power of God limited to only those who believe. It seems clear at this point that you willfully throw God under the bus in your claims.

Sixfiguresmart:
They are all thieves. False prophets

They are not. God is using them to change lives. And millions of people have been positively affected by their ministries.