birdman:


When did this happen? If so, then its worse than I thought

The second option i definitely heard about. But this is the thing though, i don't agree with vogel has some blame, If an Organization decides to bring in someone they will pay 40 Million dollars plus, and he decides not to listen to the coach, a coach who doesn't have the GM/Owners 100 percent backing, What can he do?

Only option vogel had was to resign, and to be honest, who wan drop money?

DeeMain:


Veterans-superstars-role players-coach fit matters. That's the lesson.

I remember D.Wade and Lebron discussing how they settled for Bosh in forming the Miami big 3. They said they chose him specifically because they knew he was so cool headed and drama free and would complement them well.

Exactly. What was their allure to Westbrook? Maybe they thought he would realize the window for a title was closing and he would humble himself, turns out he is dangerously delusional and the more the season wore on the more it became clear he was not about that winning life

Roland17:
The Bulls have tied the series..

The Bucks are lacking something, not sure if it is the Bulls killing the excitement by slowing the game but they look indifferent and uninterested.

They really could have been down 0-2. Something has not been right with that team all season long.

Looking at what the Celtics are doing to KD and Kyrie, this would not be happening to Lebron or even Luka. This idea that they will play pick up basketball in the playoffs without ball and player movement is laughable. Yesterday KD did not set one screen even though the Celtics made sure to contest every single entry pass made to him.

A40:
Exactly. What was their allure to Westbrook? Maybe they thought he would realize the window for a title was closing and he would humble himself, turns out he is dangerously delusional and the more the season wore on the more it became clear he was not about that winning life

Those who ruined the Lakers season from the start should stand up, raise their hands and be accountable. All these Vogel tirades is not the primary reason why the Lakers flopped. The Lakers hierarchy and ownership watched Ajala and Klutch sports control recruitment of players until they grew some balls to say NO. They differed to Ajala and the decision to pursue Westbrik instead of other options that would have given them more depth and quality but somehow, Ajala has stayed quiet about his failures. Lets not act like any of these cats wanted to play defense on any given night! They all approached the season with their respective agendas and it blew up in their face.

How 3 hall of famers failed to make it to the play in despite playing more minutes together than other combinations in a weaker conference needs an open inquiry.

Booker and Middleton our for multiple weeks.

Khanben:
Looking at what the Celtics are doing to KD and Kyrie, this would not be happening to Lebron or even Luka. This idea that they will play pick up basketball in the playoffs without ball and player movement is laughable. Yesterday KD did not set one screen even though the Celtics made sure to contest every single entry pass made to him.

This is also a coaching issue. Which is why I find it so shocking that Steve Nash a HOF PG does not run any sets. It's basically OKC with KD and Westbrook all over again.

Again this is what happens when people keep pushing narrative of 'skills' instead of fundamentals. Which is what PGs of old have over this present bunch. Which is why you put CP3 with a bunch of mid players and the offense is still clicking

When people like Kyrie sef come out and say we don't need a coach. Media and hoop fans don too gas those boys and we're seeing the results

Khanben:
Booker and Middleton our for multiple weeks.

Nwora time!!

A40:
They really could have been down 0-2. Something has not been right with that team all season long.

DeRozan was on fire.. He smoked Giannis everything Giannis guarded him.. I think 8/9 when guarded by Giannis.

Interesting stat. Only 5 guys played all 82 games this season

Mikal Bridges led the league in total minutes played. He would be 36th in 2003

Probably would've been a DPOTY contender if not for injuries

God bless Pelinka

Damnnn...the Timberwolves are smoking the Grizzlies

KAT just sabi fall pesin hand. Dude is way too emotional to stay focused and locked in. This is a very easy match up for him and I am disappointed he is not eating them like barbecue chicken!

I am worried about the Grizzlies offense, it is not diverse as many of the players can’t create offense on their own. Bane has kept them in this game with timely buckets from beyond the arc.

A40:
Interesting stat. Only 5 guys played all 82 games this season

Mikal Bridges led the league in total minutes played. He would be 36th in 2003

You mean 2023 right?

BlueMann:
Damnnn...the Timberwolves are smoking the Grizzlies

They were trailing 47-21 at one point, but the Grizz have reduced the deficit to just 7 points; 51-44 at the break, thanks to a 15-0 run to end the quarter.

TWolves held scoreless for more than 4 minutes

Damn...the Grizzlies offense really stagnated again

Wow. Just, wow.

Not only have they turned it around, they've pulled away emphatically. Down 16 points to start the fourth, they lead by TEN with over a minute left.

What a comeback.

BlueMann:
Wow. Just, wow.

stadium quiet

Roland17:


You mean 2023 right?

Naah. 2003

Roland17:
KAT just sabi fall pesin hand. Dude is way too emotional to stay focused and locked in. This is a very easy match up for him and I am disappointed he is not eating them like barbecue chicken!

I am worried about the Grizzlies offense, it is not diverse as many of the players can’t create offense on their own. Bane has kept them in this game with timely buckets from beyond the arc.

He's not that guy. Can't stress it enough. More skilled than past bigs Menenemenene

KAT, playoff virgin, welcome.

The way the grizz exited the playins last year, it took all the fear of the bright lights out of them. These guys are a problem!

This is the craziest comeback I've ever seen, Wow. The bottlejob the T.Wolves did in the 4th was epic. Despite Ja and Dillon Brooks shooting 8 of 31

A40:
Exactly. What was their allure to Westbrook? Maybe they thought he would realize the window for a title was closing and he would humble himself, turns out he is dangerously delusional and the more the season wore on the more it became clear he was not about that winning life

There was no allure. It was a boneheaded move by front office, and they tried to rope Lebron and AD in by spreading rumors that they wwere in on it. Same front office tried to spread rumors again that Lebron and AD were OK with not making a trade. That time around, Lebron kukuma raise voice because it was obvious Pelinka was trying to sneakily use Lebron as cover for his moves.

To me, the fact that Lebron never sat WB down and set him straight means Lebron was just going with the flow, trying not to offend.

The Mavs cannot miss from 3. Almost like the absence of Luka is helping them play team basketball. Ball movement is top notch

Khanben:
Looking at what the Celtics are doing to KD and Kyrie, this would not be happening to Lebron or even Luka. This idea that they will play pick up basketball in the playoffs without ball and player movement is laughable. Yesterday KD did not set one screen even though the Celtics made sure to contest every single entry pass made to him.

That was more on Nash. Like I said earlier, he will be exposed. I just didnt expect it to be this soon. This league is too talented even in the coaching cadre for Nash to wing it with superstar power. I saw no adjustment at key points in the game yesterday.Nash just left them out there to figure it out.

I cant remember any set plays to get Kyrie going. Or Durant. Nothing.

birdman:


There was no allure. It was a boneheaded move by front office, and they tried to rope Lebron and AD in by spreading rumors that they wwere in on it. Same front office tried to spread rumors again that Lebron and AD were OK with not making a trade. That time around, Lebron kukuma raise voice because it was obvious Pelinka was trying to sneakily use Lebron as cover for his moves.

To me, the fact that Lebron never sat WB down and set him straight means Lebron was just going with the flow, trying not to offend.

Come on bro. If Lebron said let's run it back they would have run it back. Suggesting the Lakers would have gotten Russ without Lebron's approval is fallacy

I think the Lakers and especially Lebron really believed Westbrook would come and lighten the load of ball handling and facillitating. It would also be a feather on his cap to be the only guy to win with Russ. As the season went on it became evident that they have gotten themselves into more than they bargained for

FO as at all star game were at the point where they had no real moves to make, they had traded their depth and it made absolutely no sense to lose a pick for John Wall. They had no moves to make

Sitting down with WB would have been a waste of time. Lebron is a smart guy, he figured at some point in the season that he couldn't win with this guy and this guy was not wired to win. Westbrook is hard headed. But Lebron thought he was a project he could handle, He was dead wrong

Wheww, Mavericks dodged a bullet with the Jalen Brunson injury

The Jazz need to blow this whole thing up, this has been my stance for nearly 2 seasons now. Trade Donovan to the Knicks, the signs are everywhere..

Roland17:
The Jazz need to blow this whole thing up, this has been my stance for nearly 2 seasons now. Trade Donovan to the Knicks, the signs are everywhere..

Anytime Jazz get rid of a superstar, said star becomes useless on other teams. I cant explain it. Make Donovan dey where e dey

A40:
Come on bro. If Lebron said let's run it back they would have run it back. Suggesting the Lakers would have gotten Russ without Lebron's approval is fallacy

Based on the beef with Pelinka, this appears not to be how it went down. Lebron just played along as usual Mr nice guy. Lebron likely also though he could incorporate westbrook, and it would all work out, like you said. oops

donlittle25:
The second option i definitely heard about. But this is the thing though, i don't agree with vogel has some blame, If an Organization decides to bring in someone they will pay 40 Million dollars plus, and he decides not to listen to the coach, a coach who doesn't have the GM/Owners 100 percent backing, What can he do?

Only option vogel had was to resign, and to be honest, who wan drop money?

Granted it was hard for Vogel to have benched a player that cost so much. But he knew he was going to get fired, so he should have made some noise on his way out. Let it be known what was what