FaruqMadridCr7:
Omohhhhhh!!! I haven't even know anything about what I'm about to dive into
I'm a graphics designer who wants to dive into programming and I must confess, I have ZERO knowledge on coding or programming, what I was planning was,paying to learn from an organization thats teachs coding for 3 months and boom! I don arrive!
This thread is really an eye opener I would like to start from this, I suck at math, I'm an art student, I know programming is not an easy task and not for a weak mind, but I believe in HARDWORK.
Firstly, I would like to know how much my low knowledge in mathematics can affect programming, and how to start working on it. E never spoil finish na.
And what I must know, or things or rules I must follow as a beginner.
Pros in the house, help me with the right informations pls. Thanks

If you are graphic designer, start with front end development, you would most likely love it because many frontend developers wish they knew some design as well especially U.I design.

The5DME:
I appreciate the input sir.
Cc: airsaylongcome, I'd appreciate your input sir.

A Degree in applied mathematics already gives you a good base to push from.

GeneralDae:

If you are graphic designer, start with front end development, you would most likely love it because many frontend developers wish they knew some design as well especially U.I design.

UI/UX have their own niche, equally very profitable too

Please pm me if you're down to network, you know the industry and the job market. I have a couple questions, and I could share one or two.

FaruqMadridCr7:
Omohhhhhh!!! I haven't even know anything about what I'm about to dive into
I'm a graphics designer who wants to dive into programming and I must confess, I have ZERO knowledge on coding or programming, what I was planning was,paying to learn from an organization thats teachs coding for 3 months and boom! I don arrive!
This thread is really an eye opener I would like to start from this, I suck at math, I'm an art student, I know programming is not an easy task and not for a weak mind, but I believe in HARDWORK.
Firstly, I would like to know how much my low knowledge in mathematics can affect programming, and how to start working on it. E never spoil finish na.
And what I must know, or things or rules I must follow as a beginner.
Pros in the house, help me with the right informations pls. Thanks

knowing maths or not doesn't necessarily mean you cannot be a top notch developer.

You don't have to know maths to become good. Most important thing in programming is thinking logically and knowing how to apply them optimally.

There are lots of programmers who doesn't even graduate in maths related field working in most of this top companies . Some of them studied art and other non science related courses.

It's just a matter of your focus and will to learn as you progress.

If many developers go with this assertion of you need maths, they would have ended up not taking chances.

So Don't let what is being written here discourage you.

If your target is not to write algorithms, you don't really need advance maths and science.

bedfordng:
knowing maths or not doesn't necessarily mean you cannot be a top notch developer.

You don't have to know maths to become good. Most important thing in programming is thinking logically and knowing how to apply them optimally.

There are lots of programmers who doesn't even graduate in maths related field working in most of this top companies . Some of them studied art and other non science related courses.

It's just a matter of your focus and will to learn as you progress.

If many developers go with this assertion of you need maths, they would have ended up not taking chances.

So Don't let what is being written here discourage you.

If your target is not to write algorithms, you don't really need advance maths and science.

Isn't every software written an algorithm or a collection of algorithms?

TheManOfTheYear:
All these theories I'm seeing here
They all sound a bit too scary, I feel even if you suck at math, you can still learning these fundamental concepts well.
It takes just one thing. PRACTICE and PRACTICE.

I have 10+ years experience as a software developer and I can tell you DSA is not as hard as this thread portray. People are just afraid of what they don’t understand yet.
Reminds me of when I started my journey with ML. It eventually took me just few months of constant practice to master.
DSA can even be mastered by someone who doesn’t write code.

MisterRobot:


I have 10+ years experience as a software developer and I can tell you DSA is not as hard as this thread portray. People are just afraid of what they don’t understand yet.
Reminds me of when I started my journey with ML. It eventually took me just few months of constant practice to master.
DSA can even be mastered by someone who doesn’t write code.

Oh yeah DSA isn't hard. It just requires practice. I remember when I started I really hated it but I am not even good and I am passing some of the technical interviews I have had somewhat. I think I will be very good with more months of practice.

FaruqMadridCr7:
Omohhhhhh!!! I haven't even know anything about what I'm about to dive into
I'm a graphics designer who wants to dive into programming and I must confess, I have ZERO knowledge on coding or programming, what I was planning was,paying to learn from an organization thats teachs coding for 3 months and boom! I don arrive!
This thread is really an eye opener I would like to start from this, I suck at math, I'm an art student, I know programming is not an easy task and not for a weak mind, but I believe in HARDWORK.
Firstly, I would like to know how much my low knowledge in mathematics can affect programming, and how to start working on it. E never spoil finish na.
And what I must know, or things or rules I must follow as a beginner.
Pros in the house, help me with the right informations pls. Thanks

Please don't discourage yourself. What is written here may not apply to you. There's a space for everyone in the spectrum. Do what you're good at and keep developing yourself.

airsaylongcome:


Isn't every software written an algorithm or a collection of algorithms?

of course. But do i really need to write those algorithms to be a Dev because it would mean reinventing the wheels rewriting forloop, if else statement, hashing and lots more others algo.

The answer is no.

What I am trying to say is that most tooling comes already with its algorithms which we make use of without even knowing.

Learning DSA gives you indept knowledge on how this things works under the wood and makes you better programmer. But it is optional.

MisterRobot:


I have 10+ years experience as a software developer and I can tell you DSA is not as hard as this thread portray. People are just afraid of what they don’t understand yet.
Reminds me of when I started my journey with ML. It eventually took me just few months of constant practice to master.
DSA can even be mastered by someone who doesn’t write code.

The essence of the thread is not to portray DSA as hard but as important. At the same time not everyone needs it. It's for the 10%. It's one of the reasons I don't appreciate how some interviews are done.

True DSA can be mastered by non programmers and it's one of the reasons the top tech companies tests their candidates mainly on DSA. As to whether it's hard it's a function of the individual and the position you're applying for. Some interview sessions can be difficult. It's one of the reasons top talents are difficult to get. For example a recruiter gave me feedback that all 3 experienced Nigerian applicants I forwarded to her failed the 2nd round of interview session. This was a company that was ready to process their work visas and relocation.

bedfordng:
of course. But do i really need to write those algorithms to be a Dev because it would mean reinventing the wheels rewriting forloop, if else statement, hashing and lots more others algo.

The answer is no.

What I am trying to say is that most tooling comes already with its algorithms which we make use of without even knowing.

Learning DSA gives you indept knowledge on how this things works under the wood and makes you better programmer. But it is optional.

Writing algos doesn't mean you're reinventing the wheel. This is because every program is built upon an algorithm. Someone else has done the job. True, you can be involved in the other development process.

My problem, we have all these top earners in the house and none of them is generous to help ppl financially.

Make una enjoy.

MisterRobot:


I have 10+ years experience as a software developer and I can tell you DSA is not as hard as this thread portray. People are just afraid of what they don’t understand yet.
Reminds me of when I started my journey with ML. It eventually took me just few months of constant practice to master.
DSA can even be mastered by someone who doesn’t write code.

My thoughts exactly. They are just projecting unnecessary fear.
Just practice consistently and everything would click. The human brain works the same way.

Anything you constantly salvage, you subconsciously master it. You wouldn't even realize how good you've become until people point it out.

LikeAking:
My problem, we have all these top earners in the house and none of them is generous to help ppl financially.

Make una enjoy.

That’s entitlement. What makes you think they’re comfortable financially. If you want financial help, then provide value where you would get rewarded with money.

LikeAking:
My problem, we have all these top earners in the house and none of them is generous to help ppl financially.

Make una enjoy.

Your problem is the wealth of strangers who worked hard for their money?

Do you even hear yourself?

On what basis are they mandated to be generous?

NOBODY owes anybody generosity. you see it, you say thanks, you don't see it, you DON'T.... Work hard for yours!

bedfordng:
of course. But do i really need to write those algorithms to be a Dev because it would mean reinventing the wheels rewriting forloop, if else statement, hashing and lots more others algo.

The answer is no.

What I am trying to say is that most tooling comes already with its algorithms which we make use of without even knowing.

Learning DSA gives you indept knowledge on how this things works under the wood and makes you better programmer. But it is optional.

FWIW loops, conditionals and other program syntax and semantics are not algorithms. Look up basic sort algorithm (bubble, insertion etc) to have a feel for what an algorithm is. Think about it this way algorithm is like a food recipe.

It’s also why the people who say it’s easy or it’s hard are both right. Anyone can cook spaghetti, but there’s levels to bachelor spaghetti and a restaurant chef spaghetti. That difference is the quality of algorithm.

My original post was for Hannania actually coz he mentioned he has a friend in meta, he’s aiming for FAANG, he didn’t mention Javascript and he came across like he has academic interest in CS.

My post was not for bootcamp developers who see Tech as an easy way to escape Nigerian troubles. You don’t even need DS&A or good logical reasoning to make decent money if that’s your reality.

monikulapo:


FWIW loops, conditionals and other program syntax and semantics are not algorithms. Look up basic sort algorithm (bubble, insertion etc) to have a feel for what an algorithm is. Think about it this way algorithm is like a food recipe.

It’s also why the people who say it’s easy or it’s hard are both right. Anyone can cook spaghetti, but there’s levels to bachelor spaghetti and a restaurant chef spaghetti. That difference is the quality of algorithm.

My original post was for Hannania actually coz he mentioned he has a friend in meta, he’s aiming for FAANG, he didn’t mention Javascript and he came across like he has academic interest in CS.

My post was not for bootcamp developers who see Tech as an easy way to escape Nigerian troubles. You don’t even need DS&A or good logical reasoning to make decent money if that’s your reality.

Gbam I posted my current salary up there and I honestly didn't need dsa to get my current job. Some people have even messaged me asking me if they will need dsa as they will need a job very fast and my reply is that it really depends on your ambition. A lot of agency jobs pay really well when converted to naira but if you wanna chill with the big boys break into the ceiling where you can be earning more than 10k USD a month(possible in Nigeria too from a remote role) then I don't see how you can achieve it without knowing dsa. But then salaries like 500 to 3000 USD are quite reachable without knowing dsa. It really all depends on what you want and what you are comfortable with.

tensazangetsu20:


Gbam I posted my current salary up there and I honestly didn't need dsa to get my current job. Some people have even messaged me asking me if they will need dsa as they will need a job very fast and my reply is that it really depends on your ambition. A lot of agency jobs pay really well when converted to naira but if you wanna chill with the big boys break into the ceiling where you can be earning more than 10k USD a month(possible in Nigeria too from a remote role) then I don't see how you can achieve it without knowing dsa. But then salaries like 500 to 3000 USD are quite reachable without knowing dsa. It really all depends on what you want and what you are comfortable with.

For now I can comfortably implement a linked list,binary tree structure and a graph

I wonder is DSA important for web developers due to heavy dependence on database

3exe3:


For now I can comfortably implement a linked list,binary tree structure and a graph

I wonder is DSA important for web developers due to heavy dependence on database

Well it is if you are building very large web applications and scaling it to millions and billions of users. It really depends on where you work and what you are building.

tensazangetsu20:


Well it is if you are building very large web applications and scaling it to millions and billions of users. It really depends on where you work and what you are building.

Ok an escrow system for instance

3exe3:


For now I can comfortably implement a linked list,binary tree structure and a graph

I wonder is DSA important for web developers due to heavy dependence on database

If you want to focus on backend, it wouldn’t hurt to at least know the sort, search algorithms and their runtimes. Most other algorithms you would be advised on when / how to implement them by senior programmers in your team.

If you want to progress faster than your colleagues and take up a management or architect solutions within a foreign team, you need to have had a working knowledge of various DS&A.

Linked list to Binary Trees and then Graphs seems like scattered learning though ?? .. you should use a curriculum when studying DS&A. Binary Trees and Graphs are topics that could get advanced and theoretical really fast even though they’re very intuitive.

monikulapo:


If you want to focus on backend, it wouldn’t hurt to know the sort, search algorithms and their runtimes.

If you want to progress faster than your colleagues and take up a management or architect solutions within a foreign team, you need DS&A.

Thanks for the input

LikeAking:
My problem, we have all these top earners in the house and none of them is generous to help ppl financially.

Make una enjoy.

My guy, I've read your comments couple of times in this section always begging for alms, while it's not a bad idea to seek for financial support as we all know the state of the nation, but getting all emotional like a toddler about it is what I don't understand, you better jettison this mentality of yours man, nobody owes you nothing.

And FYI I have met few great guys here, the OP of this thread for example, man really came through for me, he may not know how much I appreciate him but I will NEVER forget his kindness.

monikulapo:


FWIW loops, conditionals and other program syntax and semantics are not algorithms. Lookup a basic sort algorithm (bubble, insertion etc) to have a feel for what an algorithm is. Think about it this way algorithm is like a food recipe.

It’s also why the people who say it’s easy or it’s hard are both right. Anyone can cook spaghetti, but there are levels to bachelor spaghetti and a restaurant chef spaghetti. That difference is the quality of the algorithm.

My original post was for Hanania actually coz he mentioned he has a friend in meta, he’s aiming for FAANG, he didn’t mention Javascript and he came across like he has an academic interest in CS.

My post was not for Bootcamp developers who see Tech as an easy way to escape Nigerian troubles. You don’t even need DS&A or good logical reasoning to make decent money if that’s your reality.

I had a solid background in Engineering. Good enough because we covered python, C/C++, OPerating systems, DS and Algo and in-depth TCP/IP Networks. The good thing was that our curriculum was structured from 100l down to 500l which made the learning incremental. That foundation gave us an edge to dig right straight up into prep for DS & Algo for FAANG.

I understood your points. Initially, Back on campus, i wanted to go the networking route and was trying to break the norm by getting a CCIE by graduation(cost wasn't a problem), so I could boast my growth in the industry by 4x compared to normal engineers.

Having interned with an ISP and seeing how Python was used to automate processes, I couldn't shy away from seeing my colleagues getting into Palantir, Goldman Sachs, Amazon, Meta and Google. My interest changed exponentially seeing the possibilities around.

TheTraveler:


My guy, I've read your comments couple of times in this section always begging for alms, while it's not a bad idea to seek for financial support as we all know the state of the nation, but getting all emotional like a toddler about it is what I don't understand, you better jettison this mentality of yours man, nobody owes you nothing.

And FYI I have met few great guys here, the OP of this thread for example, man really came through for me, he may not know how much I appreciate him but I will NEVER forget his kindness.

Abeg, show me my post wia I begged for alms.

I think u are wrong here.

Guy man, I have never begged for alms...

I am talking about helping others, not even me.

Thanks.

monikulapo:


FWIW loops, conditionals and other program syntax and semantics are not algorithms.

You're wrong, loops and conditionals are all building blocks of algorithms, you would know this if you actually understood and developed new algorithms and not just memorize them.

Altairx440:

You're wrong, loops and conditionals are all building blocks of algorithms, you would know this if you actually understood and developed new algorithms and not just memorize them.

Hahaha, English comprehension is a problem and don’t flatter me I’m not even smart enough to memorize common Binary search.
How is building block of an algorithm an algorithm ?

If I tell you to Bleep yourself that’s a statement.
Now if I tell you get a Love Machine, create an infinite loop and then put the first statement in that infinite loop. That a brute force algorithm to Bleep yourself silly.

So everything I mentioned are properties of an algorithm but on its own they’re not algorithms. Do good for yourself and read to comprehend and not to provide rebuttals.

And yes I don’t develop any new original algorithms .. do you ? what point are you trying to make ?

tensazangetsu20:


Gbam I posted my current salary up there and I honestly didn't need dsa to get my current job. Some people have even messaged me asking me if they will need dsa as they will need a job very fast and my reply is that it really depends on your ambition. A lot of agency jobs pay really well when converted to naira but if you wanna chill with the big boys break into the ceiling where you can be earning more than 10k USD a month(possible in Nigeria too from a remote role) then I don't see how you can achieve it without knowing dsa. But then salaries like 500 to 3000 USD are quite reachable without knowing dsa. It really all depends on what you want and what you are comfortable with.

Good day sir, how can one identify and find these types of roles that don't actually need dsa (web agency jobs like you said)?
(Like a website or specific search query on LinkedIn??)
Because I'll like to follow your path, get a job that doesn't need dsa ,then start learning dsa on the job so I'll eventually look for better opportunities, the economy is bitting really hard.
I'll really anticipate your reply

swagenity:

Good day sir, how can one identify and find these types of roles that don't actually need dsa (web agency jobs like you said)?
(Like a website or specific search query on LinkedIn??)
Because I'll like to follow your path, get a job that doesn't need dsa ,then start learning dsa on the job so I'll eventually look for better opportunities, the economy is bitting really hard.
I'll really anticipate your reply

Just apply to a lot of jobs on linkedin and indeed. Thats my way.

tensazangetsu20:


It really depends maybe the company didn't use dsa. I got a job in Vietnam last year a japa job but the salary offered was lower than what I earn in Nigeria here 1400 USD a month. It was the only job that sent me a take home which I passed the other jobs were all DSA. The good paying jobs like very good pay they require dsa. The rubbish jobs send take home.

Wizeline?

truthsayer009:


Wizeline?

Na Gameloft.