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Kobojunkie:
1. in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28, Jesus Christ instead called it Adultery, not fornication.

Also to infer that sexual lust is behind all dating is a bit much.

2. Succumbing to lust is one thing. Dating is another. Many date without ever really lusting after their date for one reason or another. However, even those without a dating relationship can and do succumb to lust. So tying dating to adultery is not a right way to go at all.

Those who make excuses for fornication do so for reason unrelated to God's Law, Jesus Christ. We have no right to add our own modifications to God's Law because of what people do. That is sin.

dochenaj:
1.I am not saying that lust can only come from dating. But I'm saying that dating definitely and almost certainly exposes you to lust, unless you are asexual.
Jesus said something "if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off" while that can be literal it also is largely figurative indicating that you avoid and separate from things that can and does expose you to sin.

2. Is having your right hand sinful, "absolutely not" just as you are arguing about dating. But is it advisable to engage in it considering what lurks in the shadows, "absolutely not".

3. Finally, I want to add that I'm not on a campaign to change your mind on this subject. I just commented so as to appreciate the journey of the person who created the thread.

Kobojunkie:
1. You know what I find particularly interesting about that statement made by Jesus Christ there in bold, from Matthew 5 vs 29 - 30 ? He doesn't actually say, "if your right hand will cause you to sin(future tense)" nor does He say to cut off someone else's hand if sin is caused. Instead, what Jesus Christ said is, "if your right hand causes you to sin(past tense), cut it(your own right hand) off..." - Matthew 5 vs 29 - 30.

Some are able to date without risk of temptation while there are others who find, this after trying it, cannot keep themselves from sinning. Jesus Christ, in no way, imposes any rule as far as dating, allowing individuals to decide what they can or can't handle for themselves

2. Again, pay attention to what Jesus Christ in fact said and how much different it is from what you are here insinuating. Jesus Christ in no way advises individuals to avoid engaging in activities for fear of sin. Again, what He said is instead, "if your right hand causes you to sin(past tense), cut it off".

3. Please realize that instituting rules in addition to that given us by Jesus Christ is sin against God. This is akin to setting onself up as god over those who you give these rules to, and that is in direct violation of God's Law, Jesus Christ.

Dating is not a sin neither is it indicated by God as avenue for sin. As Matthew 5 vs 29 - 30 reveals, God has infact left it to individuals to test their limits and decide for themself, where He, God, has not set any explicit rules.

dochenaj:
1. Making a recommendation of what behavior is inadvisable to engage in, is not the same thing as making it part of the "Law". Yes, Jesus warns in Revelation 22:18-19 that adding or removing from the words of this prophecy will attract a curse.

2. He however doesn't say that making recommendations by drawing inferences from real life experiences and the commandments is sin. A cursory look at Jesus' teachings will show that they are largely inferences from the commandments handed to Israel by God through Moses.

3. If there is a 90% probability that engaging in an activity will lead you into sin, would you want to try it out to see if you are among the 10%? The picture you paint is that of trying everything and anything, then when it leads you into sin, you can then say "Oh! This led me into sin, and it is something I shouldn't do anymore".

4. And by that you imply that learning from people's life experiences and history is completely moot.

NB: The statistics presented above is just an example, and though I cannot categorically say that dating will lead to lust in 9 out 10 situations but I'm very certain that the likelihood is very high.

Kobojunkie:
1. God gave no man authority to make recommendations of such where it concerns His Will and Law. He was not being foolish when He left it to individuals to decide these things for themselves. Your recommendations amount to traditions which God explicitly condemned as an abomination - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 and Mark 7 vs 1 - 13

2. I am afraid you are mistaken about your statement concerning Jesus Christ's teachings. Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God is instead a different and separate standard standard God's Old Covenant Law of Moses.

3. If there is a 90% chance that an activity will cause me to sin, it means I am not where God expects me to be - there are still lies stored up in my heart that I have yet to rid myself of in order that I may instead be free from slavery to sin - Matthew 15 vs 10 - 20 & Mark 7 vs 10 - 23 & John 8 vs 31 - 32. Again, Jesus Christ did not teach avoidance as strategy for overcoming sin, instead He taught us that we should instead we should submit ourselves to God's Truth in obedience so sin, and the curse, no longer rules over us.

4. Here's the kicker ..... Jesus Christ said you are to only learn from Him so how can you "learn" from the experience of others when as a born-again, you are meant to learn these things only from Jesus Christ- Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10

dochenaj:
Let me ask, are you a born again believer?

Kobojunkie:
Let me ask you about even more crucial question... do you submit to and obey the teachings(and commandments) of Jesus Christ, the one you say by mouth that you love - John 14 vs 15 - 20 & John 8 vs 31 - 32 & John 15 vs 14?

dochenaj:
You never answered my question.

Kobojunkie:
I have more than answered you question since this conversation of ours began..

dochenaj:
The question again is, "are you a born again believer?"

Kobojunkie:
Again...I have more than answered you question since this conversation of ours began..

Kobojunkie:
Dating or courtship or whatever you chose to call it is not sin this since Jesus Christ never gave any commandments depicting it as sin so let no man delude you with their lies.

What is sin is as given by Jesus Christ, the one who is God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, what we call the Gospel. None of the almost 100 commandments depicts dating as sin. So focus on obeying that which is commanded and not that which is not.

Kobojunkie:
Dating or courtship or whatever we choose to call it is not sin this since Jesus Christ never gave any commandments depicting it as sin so let no man delude you with their lies.

What is sin is as given by Jesus Christ, the one who is God's New Covenant Law and Truth in the Kingdom of God, what we call the Gospel. None of the almost 100 commandments depicts dating as sin. So focus on obeying that which is commanded and not that which is not.

fumisko:
Thanks I agree.

1. I think whether we choose to call it dating or courtship. Be in it for the right reason….marriage in view not for fun. It’s not particularly worth it. I mean the Unnecessary emotional attachment.

And secondly, avoid premarital sex and all things that don’t glorify God.
That is the actual the commandment
Let’s always pray also to confirm if he or she is God’s will so as to avoid premium tears