AntiChristian:
All this extrapolations just to derive that Jesus is God.

A God would never be afraid to tell His creations whom He is.

Jesus can't even say he's God! He never said so.

KNOWMORE56:


He's God to me and many others

AntiChristian:

You made him your God.

AntiChristian:


You made him your God.

MaxInDHouse:

You can make anything your god and that's what most people are doing today.
Moses was God {Exodus 7:1} so most Israelites after him revere him as the their saviour since it was recorded that he spoke face to face with their God! Deuteronomy 34:10

In Jesus' case he served as God in the midst of his people in the first century {John 1:1}

but his own disciples never worshiped him as God rather they did OBEISANCE to him

which means they subjected themselves to whatever comes out of his mouth in accord with what God commanded the Israelites {Deuteronomy 18:18-19} this was erroneously mistranslated WORSHIP by trinitarians hence people like the OP concluded that Jesus is the God they should worship.

In his own statements it's clear that someone sent Jesus {John 3:16} and according to Jesus it's that person that deserves to be worshiped! John 20:17

KNOWMORE56:

The Bible says Jesus the same yesterday, today and forever...
*. Hebrews 13:8 " KJV: Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever ."
which means if He's God yesterday, He's God today and forever He'll be God!
You've admitted Jesus is God!

Worship is obeisance and vise versa...
This is why your organization don't sing national anthem and national pledge...
The Catholic church said they are doing obeisance to Marry, other denominations say no, it's the same thing ...

But I trust the Watch tower and manipulation are 5&6
Hebrew: שׁחה
Transliteration: shâchâh
Pronunciation: shaw-khaw'
Definition: A primitive root; to {depress} that {is} prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God): - bow (self) {down} {crouch} fall down ({flat}) humbly {beseech} do (make) {obeisance} do {reverence} make to {stoop} worship.
KJV Usage: worship (99x), bow (31x), bow down (18x), obeisance (9x), reverence (5x), fall down (3x), themselves (2x), stoop (1x), crouch (1x), misc (3x).
Occurs: 172
In verses: 166
Greek: προσκυνέω
Transliteration: proskuneō
Pronunciation: pros-koo-neh'-o
Definition: From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss like a dog licking his master´ s hand); to fawn or crouch to that is (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to adore): - worship.
KJV Usage: worship (60x).
Occurs: 65
In verses: 54
Jesus is God forever and ever:
*. Romans 9:5 "KJV:Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever . Amen."
*. Romans 11:36 " KJV:For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever . Amen."
Someone sent His word, and the person word is the person himself!

KNOWMORE56:


When I consider all the characteristics of the true God, and He is perfectly fit in, I and sure He's the only true God!

MaxInDHouse:

READ 1Corinthians 2:16: For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.
Paul is emphasizing that nobody has ever seen God physically to learn from His character but Jesus (Christ) lived as a human so everyone can learn from the person of the Christ! John 1:18

The CHARACTER (Jesus) doesn't change so read what he taught by thoughts, words and actions and believe for your salvation because that's his personality which will never change. That's the import of the verse you quoted Sir!


Though the two are related but they differs in meaning. For instance the President of your country must be obeyed just as the three Hebrew boys in Babylon were ready to do OBEISANCE to the Nebuchadnezzar as their God commanded {Jeremiah 21:8-10} but then they're not to WORSHIP him, that's why their God sent his angel to protect them because they did just so!



According to Jesus' own speech he (Jesus) has a father who is the same father of all faithful servants of God, and a God who is the God of all faithful servants of God! John 20:17

So if you believe that an organization is wrong for teaching this it's OK i'm just showing you how the word OBEISANCE and WORSHIP correlates but differs in indepth meaning !

KNOWMORE56:

Why do your denomination and other denominations are condemning the Catholic church for doing obeisance to Marry?
And why do you refuse to do obeisance to national anthem and national pledge?

But Jesus is God forever and ever. The Bible says His spirit was directing the old prophets...
this means He's existed as GOD before He came to the world:

*. 1 Peter 1:10 "KJV:Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11
KJV:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

The above is in agreement with the below:

*. John 1: 10 "KJV: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not"

AntiChristian:


Did he call himself God?

No!

His father allegedly called Himself God many times in the old testament!

For example in Isaiah 45:7, it reads something like: I create light and darkness. I create prosperity and disaster! I the LORD (YAHWEH) did all these things.

And there are other times Yahweh called Himself God.

Jesus never for once. Hence you have to help him.

KNOWMORE56:

Yes. When Philip demanded to see/know the Father, Jesus presented Himself as the Father. No other better way to say I am God!

*. John 14 :8 " KJV:Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father , and it sufficeth us.
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KJV: Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip ? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?"

No!

His father allegedly called Himself God many times in the old testament!

For example in Isaiah 45:7, it reads something like: I create light and darkness. I create prosperity and disaster! I the LORD (YAHWEH) did all these things.

And there are other times Yahweh called Himself God.

Jesus never for once. Hence you have to help him.

"His father allegedly called Himself God..."

Ok, you don't even believe the Father!

AntiChristian:


All Prophets are a representative of God on earth. God didn't come to tell Noah's people about the flood. Same as Moses's.

Where did Jesus call himself God without any ambiguity?



God is not a father to anyone. He is far from such appellation of siring.

When you talk about father, then we should have a mother and children.

Then we known copulation and fertilisation.

MaxInDHouse:


Our own God is OUR FATHER WHO DWELLS IN HEAVEN! Matthew 6:9

So it's only when you're able to convince people intelligently that your Qu'ran or whatever is found written inside becomes considerable, until then it's just what Muhammad taught you against what Jesus taught us! John 20:17

AntiChristian:

You know you own Jesus came in 1914. You own Jesus dey entirely different. Your own case no be here as a JW.
Call your Jesus anything you want.
Be it Angel Michael. Or your father's son! Na you sabi.
If your father is in heaven then go and meet him immediately!

MaxInDHouse:


Is it a must for father and son to live in the same place?
Keep running round the circus!
Jesus is the son of God and we are all God's children, He (God) is our father.
If your own religion says otherwise then you're the one who needs to prove whatever your God says not by vain repetition but through action!

AntiChristian:

Are you denying Jesus is Angel Michael again? Or that you worship the Jesus that came in 1914?

Confusion 101
1. Jesus is son of God!
2. Jesus is Angel Michael!
3. Sons of God slept with daughters of men to birth giant!

MaxInDHouse:


Instead of beating about the bush what you need is try to be consistent in your research!

Trying to create an argument simply because i told you the truth about your God is childishness.

I just told the OP that it's wrong to WORSHIP Jesus, we are asked to LISTEN to him not WORSHIP {Matthew 17:5} Jesus himself declared that the only true God is his father! John 17:3

So whether Jesus is angel or not the fact remains that he is not a human from the beginning neither was he the Almighty who sent himself!

AntiChristian:

Are you denying Jesus is Angel Michael again? Or that you worship the Jesus that came in 1914?

MaxInDHouse:

You claim you know what OBEISANCE and WORSHIP means but it's obvious you don't!

Obeisance means obedience to someone and that means the person you're asked to obey will give you orders either verbally or in written form.

Now why do i go against Catholics claiming they're doing obeisance to Mary?
Please what exactly did Mary commanded me to do as found written in the scriptures?
Did God ask me to obey Mary the way He said about Jesus? Matthew 17:5
The national anthem and pledge is against pure worship!
HOW? God's word asked me to obey the authorities but then i should be able to distinguish between what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God {Mark 12:17} God demands exclusive devotion from me [Mark 12:29-30} that i can't give any other thing. So if they demand my 100% faithfulness, loyalty and honesty as stated in their anthem and pledge please what happens when they ask me to kill whereas God's word (Jesus Christ) say i must love and pray even for my enemies? Matthew 5:43-48

These verses needs to be in thoroughly examined before we can come to agree on the PRACTICAL APPLICATIONS otherwise it will just be the same way where you and your friends will be honouring Jesus with your mouth but will not be able to agree on how to do what Jesus commanded: the preaching and teaching campaign! Matthew 28:19-20

AntiChristian:


All Prophets are a representative of God on earth. God didn't come to tell Noah's people about the flood. Same as Moses's.

Where did Jesus call himself God without any ambiguity?

God is not a father to anyone. He is far from such appellation of siring.

When you talk about father, then we should have a mother and children.

Then we known copulation and fertilisation.

KNOWMORE56:
I took time to post some bible dictionary concordances showing the meaning of the Hebrews & Greek word translated worship, non of them contains the word obey or obedience but you from nowhere type "obeisance means obedience"
But the two words are different. Obedience do with laws/commandments/ instructions....
The other one deals with reverence/respect...
Now why do i go against Catholics claiming they're doing obeisance to Mary?
Please what exactly did Mary commanded me to do as found written in the scriptures?
Did God ask me to obey Mary the way He said about Jesus? Matthew 17:5
The national anthem and pledge is against pure worship!
HOW? God's word asked me to obey the authorities but then i should be able to distinguish between what belongs to Caesar and what belongs to God {Mark 12:17} God demands exclusive devotion from me [Mark 12:29-30} that i can't give any other thing. So if they demand my 100% faithfulness, loyalty and honesty as stated in their anthem and pledge please what happens when they ask me to kill whereas God's word (Jesus Christ) say i must love and pray even for my enemies? Matthew 5:43-48
The Hebrew word שׁחה is
transliterated shâchâh,
Pronunced shaw-khaw'
Defined as:
1. to prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God);
2. to bow down or fall down flat humbly;
3. to do (make) obeisance or do reverence (worship)

This word is transliterated 99 times to mean worship in the King James Version...(i.e in the Old Testament)

It counterpart in Greek (προσκυνέω)
Transliterated proskuneō,
Pronunced pros--neh'-o
Defined as:
1. to kiss like a dog licking his master´ s hand;
2. to literally or figuratively prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to adore): - worship.

This word is transliterated 60 times to mean worship in the King James Version... ( i.e in the New Testament)

The truth is that worship/ homage/ Obeisance mean the same thing, according to Bible usage!

oya nauw, let's examine the verses:

*. 1 Peter 1:10 "KJV:Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11
KJV:Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
The above is in agreement with the below:
*. John 1: 10 "KJV: He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not "

MaxInDHouse:


He is the Son of God and we don't WORSHIP but we OBEY him!

KNOWMORE56:

There's no ambiguity in this case. For example,
if I should say " I've never discussed with a Muslim faithful"

and you say "you have been discussing with me all this while, yet you said you had not discussed with a Muslim faithful?"
You have directly told me that you are a Muslim faithful!...

this is serious, the English language is not like that.... person can father a child through adoption, okay...

Some teachers do tell their students " go and marry your book" this doesn't mean payment of bride price, wedding and the rest...

Father of all means owner of all:

*. Ephesians 4:6 " KJV: One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Father of all means creator of all:

*. Malachi 2:10 "KJV: Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?"

AntiChristian:

Why does God need a son to depend on?
How is Jesus Angel Michael?
How did he come unnoticed in 1914?

MaxInDHouse:

OBEISANCE and WORSHIP as i said earlier correlates but has different meaning.
OBEISANCE was translated in many verses of the KJV as WORSHIP because the translators are TRINITARIANS so they based their interpretation on preconceived thought of the TRINITY

Since you understood the scriptures i hope you and your fellow members are doing what Jesus who was called "CHRIST" commissioned {Matthew 10:1-15 28:19-20} which led the inhabitants of Antioch to call them "CHRISTIANS"? Act 11:26
If you're up and doing in this regard more grease to your elbow Sir!

KNOWMORE56:

Hmmm, this accusation is not fair at all! The Bible works of the innocent transliterators are misjudged by Watch tower. They are guilty of the things they accuse others....
ok nauw, it's well. I Know that Jesus Christ, the TRUE GOD, will soon come and He'll make all things clear for us...

MaxInDHouse:
The only difference between Jesus and all other spirit sons of God is that he is the first creature God made directly all by Himself {Colossians 1:15 compare to Proverbs 8:22} hence he became God's only begotten Son, afterwards he (Jesus) created all other things through his father's instructions! Colossians 1:16 compare to Proverbs 8:30