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Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by kkins25(m): 3:26pm On May 28, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:In essence one God is greatee than the other. Which makes jesus less of a God than the father. They might be one in purpose but not one in might or personality. So whats now the difference between this concept and that of Eledumare(father) and shango(son) ? |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 3:32pm On May 28, 2022 |
kkins25:1. Yes, Jesus Christ is less than the Father since Jesus Christ has less of the essence that is the Father, and, they share more than just a purpose here. Jesus Christ is the Word out of the Father's very mouth and He is also God's very own Life. Another way to look at it is this. If you subtract Jesus Christ from God, then He will cease to be the Father. 2. I have personally not given much time to the study of the yoruba deities so I can't really speak to that yet. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by OkCornel(m): 3:38pm On May 28, 2022 |
freshboi88: Confusing lies with facts again? Keep the insults flowing |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by redeff06: 3:43pm On May 28, 2022 |
CXLVII: Do you believe God is mysterious? If you do believe that, then no cause for argument. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Emusan(m): 5:29pm On May 28, 2022 |
See tactics this JaNosenses used to avoid my post Janosky: What does this have to do with this thread? See your stupidity in action Emusan who wants Nairaland to believe he is a professional, his stupidity and LYING is stupendous. I can't see the correlation between what you say here with my previous post....is that how you dull reach Emusan, what is the duty of a Craftsman? The challenge is show me where the craftman claimed to do anything in Prov 8.... You are very dull & LYING on Nairaland. Oponu Mr Gebbrish typer! |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by freshboi88: 7:53pm On May 28, 2022 |
OkCornel: CornelDumbo clutching at straws....kpele!!..it's hard I know!!! |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by OkCornel(m): 7:57pm On May 28, 2022 |
freshboi88: Is that all you got Mr Mark? Keep it flowing. You really amuse me. Whip up the next lie or insult |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by freshboi88: 8:17pm On May 28, 2022 |
OkCornel: CornelDumbo..........Your name says it all |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by OkCornel(m): 9:25pm On May 28, 2022 |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by freshboi88: 9:31pm On May 28, 2022 |
OkCornel: Lesson you should take from all these, when you meet someone smarter than you, don't try to compete. Learn!!!!!!! |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by OkCornel(m): 9:34pm On May 28, 2022 |
freshboi88:“Smart” must definitely have another meaning, Lies and insults based on your upbringing perhaps…. Now continue with what you know how to do best. Entertain me with your tantrums |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by freshboi88: 9:40pm On May 28, 2022 |
OkCornel: Truth is bitter...when one is done is thrash, you throw it in the dustbin where it belongs. Stay in the dustbin where you obviously belong. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by OkCornel(m): 10:45pm On May 28, 2022 |
freshboi88: Same dustbin you’ve lived your entire life? Pele, you were born and fed with lies and insults as your truth So I understand. Spew some more Mr Mark. Entertain me you troll |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Ayo081(m): 2:49pm On May 29, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: I agree, except for the statement that trinity is based on the lies of men. Trinity gospel to me is when Christ mentioned that they all work together. John 14:15-17,26, 15:26 For the last paragraph, Christ himself made so many exposition on that, and the true trinity gospel / should I say those who know of which they talk about also agree that Jehovah is the God head (John 14:28) (the only one who possess those features you listed).
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Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 3:42pm On May 29, 2022 |
Ayo081:1. Any doctrine that teaches lies is a lie. 2. Trinity teaches you that all 3 are equals - that is a lie. Trinity teaches you that all 3 are cosubstantial - that is a lie. That doctrine is a lie because it is based on information that does not conform to that which Jesus Christ taught in His Gospel. 3. Jesus Christ told you in John 14 vs 6 that He is God's Truth. So the Spirit of Truth is the very Spirit of Jesus Christ Himself. He is the one who is to convince the word of Sin as defined in and by God's Truth. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Ayo081(m): 6:46pm On May 29, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:Well |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 6:49pm On May 29, 2022 |
Ayo081:Well what? |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Ayo081(m): 10:46pm On May 29, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Kobojunkie: My own understanding of Trinity is; three (Father, Christ, Spirit) working together for one purpose. And not equal. None of the Son and Spirit could work without the Father. They work together. The Spirit can't work without Christ. Christ had to go before the Spirit (of truth could come, John 16:13). Of course Christ mentioned that He and Father are one, but that shouldn't be taking in it's literal context. Just like you mentioned, God is true and Christ is God's Truth. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 11:10pm On May 29, 2022 |
Ayo081:1. Please spend time reading up on the actual doctrine so you do not confuse it with anything else. https://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-is-the-doctrine-of-the-trinity https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/ |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by kkins25(m): 5:36pm On Jun 01, 2022 |
2. The word God has several meanings here. It is a title used to reference the Father, and the same time it refers to a race of beings that emanate from the one who is the Father. They all share the same essences only in different ways/proportions I beg your pardon but all these are attributes -abstract attributes that can be said of Jesus Christ as well. These are not just attributes of the Godhead but also every human being since it is written that we were created in the image of God, hence, I possess all these attributes. As far as I am concerned, no one man has heard the law of God. I am of the idea that each man/apostle/prophet interprets wisdom through his lenses. Since You cannot actually define God without giving him abstract attributes which you cannot also measure, how do I call your bluff? Argument 1: Anyway, if Jesus is : God's True (Word)Then does that mean that he cannot experience the other attributes found in the Father when as a Man he clearly demonstrated them all? What does it then take to be God? So here is my argument 2 on the nature of God: If a God must have and is defined by attributes A, B, C and D then without one of those attributes an entity fails to be God. Argument 3: According to you, God is defined by : God is God of Wrath If this is all it takes to be God, then kindly worship me because I too- am capable of exhibiting all the aforementioned attributes. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 6:06pm On Jun 01, 2022 |
kkins25:1. Explain to me how you "possess" these same attributes as a human. 2. How did you arrive at the conclusion that no one man has heard the law of God? If Wisdom sends to message, "Bubbles are fun to play with", to Mr. A., Mr. B and Mr. C, and all three men, after filtering the message through their individual lenses arrive at the same conclusion which is that the message Wisdom sent was " Bubbles are fun to play with", should we ignore them all because they processed the original message through their individual lenses or something?, :- 3. Why does God need defining? In the bible case, God is believed to define Himself instead. 4. Look again at the List I posted. God, the Father’s, list of that which He is is longer than Jesus Christ's list. And at no timw during His time on earth did Jesus Christ exude all that is God this since Jesus Christ said Himself that He is not all that is God the Father. What does it take to be God the Father? Well, such a God needs to be all that is listed of God the Father in order to be God the Father. 5. God is not defined as one who must have attributes A,B,C and D. Instead, God is one who is at least one of attributes listed. 6. First this isn't a matter of capability but more of embodiment. ▪︎God is True since every Word of His is true. ▪︎God is Faithful because He never deviates from His plan and purpose. ..... You as a human are by default incapable of that which is God. 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Ayo081(m): 8:00pm On Jun 01, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Link 1 is exactly my stand, you don't agree with that? |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Ayo081(m): 8:04pm On Jun 01, 2022 |
kkins25: Discuss attribute Life, how are you Life? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 8:32pm On Jun 01, 2022 |
Ayo081:Link 1 summarizes link 2. They both don't align with that taught by Jesus Christ Himself in scripture. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 8:33pm On Jun 01, 2022 |
kkins25:God is the source of Life itself. It is from Him that what you pretend is your life an ld existence is sourced from. When you die, the breath of life that used to be you is returned back to the source 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Ayo081(m): 6:15am On Jun 02, 2022 |
Kobojunkie: Ok |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Ayo081(m): 6:20am On Jun 02, 2022 |
This post was deleted, is this the reply to my question? 1 Like |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by Kobojunkie: 3:16pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Ayo081:Read through link 1 again to see that it does not directly mirror what Jesus Christ Himself declared of His relationship with God. If you have time, peruse the doctrine in detail as well. |
Re: If Jesus Is God, Who Made That Pronouncement When John Baptized Him? by caye(m): 5:28pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Jesus was one of the high spiritual masters sent by God to different races at different times. So was Mohammed, Krishna, the different Buddha's, Orunmila etc. They were not the Creator. |
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