He played an instrumental role in the ACN/CPC merger, and contributed to helping Buhari emerge as the candidate (though Amaechi also played a major role). That's about it. Tinubu had ZERO role to play in the main election that brought Buhari to power.

You are going too far Op

Remove all the votes SW gave to Buhari in 2019 and Buhari will still win with about 2 million votes.

Do you know Buhari won SW with just a mere 260k votes while Atiku won Anambra with 490k votes.

SW votes are politically irrelevant.

Ojuntana:

Buhari did not win the whole North in 2011 and 2007. Go and check your facts again. He wins in NW and NE while he usually lose NC. That changed in 2015

When I say north, I mean the almajiri north- hausa Fulani region not middle belt. That's where buhari has the cult follower ship.
North central isn't hausa Fulani. They've never voted in same pattern like core north. They are different. Forget the north attach to them.

Well the point is tinubu propaganda tool was responsible for the redirection of other regions towards buhari. Facts don't lie.

YeyeGbami:


Not about just being popular, asiwaju was the mastermind behind fashola’s administration. And during asiwaju’s tenure he wasn’t just sitting around, he did more than enough.

The data and facts are out there, lagos is what it is today because of asiwaju. I know it could be better and it could also have been worse. I as a lagosian am proud of what APC has done in lagos state.

Can you show me the facts and data that Lagos is what it is today because of Asiwaju. I still believe fashola did most of the modernisation we see in Lagos. Tinubu simply employed propaganda and media manipulations to claim the glory.

HardMirror:
thanks to kwankwaso not tinubu

And Kwankwaso won in 2019?

Ojuntana:


Can you show me the facts and data that Lagos is what it is today because of Asiwaju. I still believe fashola did most of the modernisation we see in Lagos. Tinubu simply employed propaganda and media manipulations to claim the glory.

Show you?? it is out there for free.

SIRTee15:

When I say north, I mean the almajiri north- hausa Fulani region not middle belt. That's where buhari has the cult follower ship.
North central isn't hausa Fulani. They've never voted in same pattern like core north. They are different. Forget the north attach to them.

Well the point is tinubu propaganda tool was responsible for the redirection of other regions towards buhari. Facts don't lie.

Well, you can claim Tinubu propaganda helped to shift some regions towards buhari. But that will not be totally true. I hope you know before the defection of the N-PDP in 2014, the whole of NC were PDP controlled. The defections had a big effect in that region, followed by the fact that the influential gov of Niger state who was the chairman of NGF refused to pull his full weight in the NC. Also, don't forget bombs went off in Abuja and Niger state which helped to push the narrative that the NC could be the biggest casualty of insecurity if it was not nipped in the bud. It was these factors that tilted the NC towards APC

HardMirror:
so says a man that wants us to vote tinubu.

Naah. I don’t get to tell you who to vote, you have to decide that yourself.

YeyeGbami:



Show you?? it is out there for free.

I've searched. I can't find. Just wild claims of a blueprint no one has seen before.

THE LAST TIME I CHECKED, I SAW A USELESS TRIBE LIKE THE YORUBA CALLING IGBOS, THEIR GRANDPAS NAMES. SPITS

Bragalane:
Oh ! So the topic is no longer about the all powerful Tinubu who Buhari as sidelined n never contributed to Buhari winning but lunatics from your Igbo tribe claims he betrayed the South by gifting Buhari the votes your dead wrote he never had.

Can you see how pathetic the brain of an average NL igbo is corroded. This as to be a cursed place on your miserable lot from heaven above, it is bound to plague you till eternity. To de reason like lunatics na something of pride for Alaigbo no wonder.

I like this thread.

OFFICIAL336:
You are going too far Op
Remove all the votes SW gave to Buhari in 2019 and Buhari will still win with about 2 million votes. Do you know Buhari won SW with just a mere 260k votes while Atiku won Anambra with 490k votes. SW votes are politically irrelevant.

Who ever Yorubas give their votes to, becomes president wow!

Denoh68:
BASTARD YORUBA TRIBE THAT DO NOT HAVE ORIGIN, MAY THUNDER STRIKE YOUR ANCESTORS 8NCLUDING AWOLOWO. OGA ANYHOW UNA NEED AM UNA GO GET AM. WHAT NONSENSE. BASTARD YORUBAS

are you ok. Why will you be insulting all of us? That some yorubas are mad and call you ibos name does not mean all of us are like that. Please respect yourself. I am yoruba and I have NEVER insulted your tribe. Insult that idiot if he insults your people but dint insult the yoruba race

Ojuntana:

I've searched. I can't find. Just wild claims of a blueprint no one has seen before.

tinubu did not develop lagos, he is claiming glory for Fashola's work because he put Fashola there.

HardMirror:
Tinubu supporters have always acclaimed the political genius Tinubu is. How without Tinubu, Buhari can never become president, How tinubu ensured Buhari won.


How True is this.
To get the truth, we have to look at the facts, to get the facts we have to look at the records.

2007
In 2007 Tinubu and Atiku aligned against Obasanjo and Yaradua. They spent money, played all their cards but still lost to Yaradua. Not only did they lose, Atiku came a distant 3rd.
Yaradua had 24.6 Million votes
BUHARI HAD 6 million votes
ATIKU WITH TINUBUS HELP ONLY HAD 2.6 million votes.
Buhari had 4million votes more than tinubu and atiku could get without spending the money tinubu and atiku spent
So tinubu proved to be a light weight in national politics in 2007.

2011
Tinubu regroup again in 2011 with his ACN party and presented Nuhu Ribadu. How well did they do?
Jagaban was only able to get 2million votes where Buhari without the money and Media strategies of Mr. Tinubu got a whopping 12 million votes. JONATHAN WON WITH 22MILLION VOTES!

Again Tinubu failed woefully in 2011, he even got lesser votes than in 2007. But Buhari got double the votes he had in 2007. Showing that Buhari was getting more popular and stronger.

2015
2015 was finally the year that projected tinubu to the status he hold till date. It is believed that tinubu helped Buhari win. BUT DID HE? Let us look at the results again.
LAGOS AND OSUN STATE ARE THE 2 STATES COMPLETELY UNDER TINUBU YET BUHARI ONLY WON NARROWLY BY ABOUT 100,000 VOTES IN BOTH STATES. TINUBU could not deliver massive votes for Buhari in the Entire SW. It was embarrassing.
Buhari only managed to win GEJ thanks to KANO, KATSINA and KADUNA. Where he massively floored GEJ. If not for Buhari's popularity in the North, he would have lost as he only narrowly won GEJ. This is also thanks to Kwankwaso as you can see how mu h kwankwaso helped Atiku in 2019 again. Proving kwankwaso is a bigger fish than tinubu in national politics always giving his candidates massive results.

Please note that TINUBU had zero influence in the states that gave Buhari massive votes in 2015.

GEJ HAD PDP CRISIS AT THAT TIME HEADED BY OBASANJO WHO LEFT PDP. not tinubu.

North felt Yaradua did not finish his tenure and a northerner must continue not GEJ.

CHIBOK GIRLS kidnap also was a big factor that tarnished Gej as incompetent.


In all this Tinubu had almost no positive contribution that helped Buhari win.

He paid media and people to go online and start spreading the news that he was the master mind behind Buhari winning. Buhari had always been bigger than tinubu in national politics and the results are there for all to see. Tinubu could not even deliver for Buhari in 2015

I am not a Tinubu fan but without Tinubu there can't be buhari presidency. Buhari has previous run for presidency for almost four or three times his popularity could not get him the presidency. He only got it when he enter an alliance with Tinubu. So please be guided.

Image123:


And Kwankwaso won in 2019?

you just dey waste your time quoting me. Your intelligence is just too low for me to be wasting time in you. See how you follow everything I post like mumu.

denko:
I am not a Tinubu fan but without Tinubu there can't be buhari presidency. Buhari has previous run for presidency for almost four or three times his popularity could not get him the presidency. He only got it when he enter an alliance with Tinubu. So please be guided.

so what did tinubu bring to the table? You have forgotten the massive division in PDP? You think tinubu did more for Buhari than those that left pdp? CPC was doing far better than ACN of tinubu at presidential polls. What are you talking about? Acn that could not get more than 2million votes in 2011 when buhari had 12million votes. You guys should be guided

HardMirror:
tinubu did not develop lagos, he is claiming glory for Fashola's work because he put Fashola there.

That's not to say he did not do well. He initiated some reforms in Lagos which were good. But to ascribe all successes recorded in Lagos to him is mere fallacy

SarkinYarki:
It's was just propaganda, the truth is that the PDP power bloc that decamped to APC did the magic

Pls mention their names

Ojuntana:

That's not to say he did not do well. He initiated some reforms in Lagos which were good. But to ascribe all successes recorded in Lagos to him is mere fallacy

ok. I can agree with this

MadamVanessa:




Only fools subscribed to that baseless propaganda that Tinubu won 2015 election for Buhari. If there's anyone that played vital role for Buhari in 2015 presidential election , it was Rabi'u Musa Kwankwaso of Kano state and not Tinubu. Kano vote alone buried every other votes gotten by GEJ. Even Lagos state that Tinubu owned as his property, he could not influence it much during the election.


One of the overrated politician I have seen in my life is Tinubu.

Tinubu won for him not directly but indirectly. If Tinubu mobilises and support GEJ, he would have won and Buhari will lose again.

HardMirror:
you just dey waste your time quoting me. Your intelligence is just too low for me to be wasting time in you. See how you follow everything I post like mumu.

i post here in my spare or bored time mostly, so it's not a waste at all for me. No be today i know as you empty reach, na so the thing pain you that you resorted to insult. Pele mirrormirror, hope the pay is good sha?

MadamVanessa:




Only fools subscribed to that baseless propaganda that Tinubu won 2015 election for Buhari. If there's anyone that played vital role for Buhari in 2015 presidential election , it was Rabi'u Musa Kwankwaso of Kano state and not Tinubu. Kano vote alone buried every other votes gotten by GEJ. Even Lagos state that Tinubu owned as his property, he could we not influence it much during the election.


One of the overrated politician I have seen in my life is Tinubu.

only fools make comments like you just did. Tinubu spent his time campaigning across Nigeria, paid a US consultant to whitewash buhari from being dictator to a democrat, donate his hard earned money, private jet, media conglomerate and connections to buhari. You guys should know that in 2015 buhari was sick and had no money, not even money to buy nomination form. It was Tinubu that was crisscrossing the length and breadth of Nigeria to campaign for him. Now you can type rubbish with your phone.

Misterone:
only fools make comments like you just did. Tinubu spent his time campaigning across Nigeria, paid a US consultant to whitewash buhari from being dictator to a democrat, donate his hard earned money, private jet, media conglomerate and connections to buhari. You guys should know that in 2015 buhari was sick and had no money, not even money to buy nomination form. It was Tinubu that was crisscrossing the length and breadth of Nigeria to campaign for him. Now you can type rubbish with your phone.

many of the points you made here are valid. He truly made money available. But tinubu desperately needed Buhari. He had done all he could before in 2007 and 2011 and still did not make a dent in national politics. Tinubu was struggling himself until he had Buhari. Look at the results yourself.

YeyeGbami:


Hated by who? You know what lagos might have turned to if not for this man. I understand he bleeped up by supporting this present administration and that would cost him a lot.

I don’t hate him, infact he turned lagos to what it is today.

And what's Lagos today? El dorado?

Ojuntana:


I strongly disagree.

Axelrod could not have handled APC presidential social media campaign.

1. He was not a member of the APC so he couldn't have been a member of their campaign.
2. Axelrod is one of Obama's right hand men. He can be a consultant or adviser but to jump into the fray of handling social media with his own responsibilities in the Obama administration would be a step too low without any disrespect to the APC campaign team.
3. That problem of not being a democrat was not such a problem for Buhari here in Nigeria as much as it was in the international scene. Don't forget, Buhari gave a speech in Chatham House where he "took responsibility" for the 1983 coup and declared himself born again. Meanwhile here in Nigeria, he was being painted as the unsmiling General who stamped out corruption and dealt a heavy blow to the Maitatsine sect in the North East. Thus, there was a bigger need to sell buhari to the West as reformed than there was in Nigeria.

Obama's main issue with Jonathan was the anti-gay law he signed. Obama had hoped to use a soft landing for gay in Africa's largest country as a tool to show the gay movement could get a foothold in Africa. You can imagine how he would have viewed a Muslim buhari with antidemocratic antecedents if a Christian refused to sign that kind of law. So the job of Axelrod was to soften the ground for Buhari in the international scene not social media in Nigeria.

Again, there are no facts to prove it was Tinubu faction that contacted Axelrod. There were people in the APC with extensive contacts in the US lobby industry and it could have been any of them not necessarily Tinubu.

I dont have strength for argument. Your answer is here.
https://ng.opera.news/ng/en/politics/294acf83e18df691433af0ca1df4e0b1

This is an excepts below right from the mouth of Babachir Lawal, a northerner and former SSG under Buhari

https://www.page36news.com/2020/08/23/breaking-apc-chieftain-confesses-that-bola-tinubu-paid-the-best-american-consultants-to-transform-buharis-image-for-the-2015-presidential-election-and-must-be-compensated-with-the-2023-presidency/

How did you manage to turn around the negative perceptions the public had of Buhari?

At the time, Nigerians saw Buhari as just a wood. He had no emotions. People were not seeing him as a loving husband and father, and doubted if he could be humane. It was Tinubu who brought in Consultants from the US, the firm behind the successful execution of President Barrack Obama’s campaign. It helped to repackage Buhari to Nigerians. They came and started from the scratch; they did some research work for us. They told us where Buhari was weak, and the messages needed to change the long held perception, using billboards, and other campaign methods.

That was when you started seeing Buhari wearing a suit, and in Igbo, Yoruba, and Kanuri attire. It was then people started to see Buhari as a family man with his beautiful daughters.

The strategy was to transform his image, and show a humane, loving, and trustworthy person. It helped us. At some point during our strategy sessions, the Consultants asked us: why do you not allow Buhari’s wife to come out, so that she can be contrasted with Dame Patience Jonathan? When you do that, you would have won the election already, they said. She provided a contrast to the former First Lady.

Rallies do not win elections. It is the underground work that wins elections. Almost the same thing repeated itself in 2019. Tinubu does not like to take credit for what he does; he lives for politics, gets his money from politics, and spends it on politics. He has no other interest except politics. The monies he spent out of his pocket that are unaccounted for outside of the party’s campaign finances, are quite enormous.


In case u looking for foreign independent source regarding David Axelrod involvement with APC in Nigeria. see below.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/david-axelrods-political-consulting-firm-far-more-involved-in-nigeria-election-than-previously-disclosed/

https://oblongmedia.net/2017/04/13/david-axelrod-one-of-the-foreign-hands-that-plotted-nigerian-president-jonathans-downfall/

David Axelrod's firm even conducted social media polls for the APC including arranging social media events. They had meeting with Fayemi, Olubunmi and Amechi.


You are very naive to think a top govt social official cant get directly involved in nigerian electoral campaign. It shows you know nothing about America apart from what you see in Hollywood. People that have been appointing your leaders/Presidents to preside over Nigeria on their behalf for the last 60 years.

Whatever beef international community had against Jonathan doesnt matter, they've had enough of him and were determined to get rid of him. APC led by Tinubu gave them the platform to arch their plan and the rest of gullible Nigerians fell for it.

I never said Tinubu presented Buhari as a democrat. read my words well. I said he presented him as a reformist and a nationalist. previously, buhari was seen as a ethnocentric fulani bigot who believes in the entrenhment of northern Nigeria hegemony.

ChoCho54:
And what's Lagos today? El dorado?

lagos has all it takes to be a true mega city like joburg, but for where tinubu has turned it to his private business.

Ojuntana:


Tinubu simply employed propaganda and media manipulations to claim the glory.

.. by mouthing off a so called Lagos blueprint.

Lagos as a capital city had always been on steady rise since the days of Herbert Macaulay.

HardMirror:
It should be noted that until last year Tinubu had no structure in the north. So how did he make Buhari win? Why should buhari feel indebted to tinubu? When Tinubu could not even deliver Lagos and South west to Buhari? He only won with very narrow margins that did not help. If not for the north where Buhari was strong he would have lost to Gej again

I intentionally had to create a new moniker so that my questions may be answered without it having a negative effect on our long term relationship on NL.

Am curious to know why Buhari contested 3 times and losing despite the massive votes he gets from the North. What did the North do differently that made him win the fourth time?

Tinubu's influence in the SW helped ensure PMB had a national spread. We can debate the level of impact BAT had in Buhari's victory but it will be dishonest to say Tinubu had no hand in his electoral triumph in 2015 and 2019. Amaechi told contributed alot infact it was a collective effort by a lot of people. PMB was also a massive figure in the North he deserves most of the credit for his win. Everybody else contributed to him having national acceptance.

PaChukwudi44:
Tinubu's biggest contribution to Buhari's victory in 2015 was at the primaries alongside Rotimi Amaechi when Lagos and Rivers money made him defeat Atiku and Kwankwaso not even in the main election.

His contributions to the main election was not too significant