Donshegxy10:


No, it has everything to do with TINUBU, you don't know that politics is more than just voting, all those things lai Mohammed was always speaking in the news men, social media packaging, the way buhari was packaged for Nigerians, who do you think spear headed it.

Tinubu is a strategist even the opposition always give him credit for his understanding of Nigerian politics.

Even myself I was scared to vote for buhari because of his dictatorship tendencies and his docile disposition in the 80s, if not for TINUBU many people in the south would not have voted for buhari.

Softmirror:


But did GEJ, on the platform of PDP win the South West when he contested in 2009?

Ojuntana:


Babachir Lawal. Where was he in 2015? He wasn't part of the campaign council from what I know. Anyway, I have not said Tinubu did not bring in Axelrod's company. What I said is there are no facts in the public domain to back that up and Babachir making that claim to prove Tinubu deserves second term ticket can hardly be taken as a trustworthy source.

As far as I know, he's only selling his candidate and if you really believe campaign ads is what swayed northern votes in NC to vote Buhari instead of Jonathan you might not really be knowledgeable about the events of 2015.

FYI. I was traversing Niger, Nasarawa and Abuja in 2015 and I know the locales then cared less about whether buhari was a reformist or nationalist. Within the space of two months, bombs went off in St Theresa Catholic Church in Suleja and FCE Kontangora. You think Niger state voters were worried about reforms or security?

Who could forget Nyanya park bombing and the UN office building? Topping it all was the Chibok girls' kidnap. Do you realize Michelle Obama raised up a Bring Back our Girls poster in the White House? These are the events that shaped the 2015 elections in Nigeria, not reforms and nationalism.

It was more about corruption and security, which was why change was well received among the populace.

I hope you know those "foreign independent source" are actually right-wing media looking to paint Axelrod as a corrupt official who benefits from interfering in elections of third world countries and causing instability in those countries. Check the two links out very well. I hope you know how to spot if a medium is left or right.

It is you that need to re-read that link and see how AKPD dissociated themselves from Buhari's campaign as much as possible. It is you Nigerians that usually thinks the Americans have nothing better to do than to sit around and influence elections in a third world disaster like Nigeria. FYI, the official Western position is non-interference in democratic processes of foreign nations. So if you think Axelrod is going to carry Buhari's campaign on his head and own it with his full chest while working for Obama, you may need to check naivety again. You even think the coups and counter-coups in Nigeria have been of the US's making. Really?

Do you know that Jonathan also hired an American company to consult for his campaign too? Well, he did. And the company was left leaning as well. You see, the difference is what I have told you and what Jonathan said himself. Obama was unhappy with Jonathan over anti-gay law. I hope you know Buhari had to tell Obama homosexuality was alien to our cultural nuances shortly after he took office and visited Obama. Check it out.

HardMirror:
it leaves buhari where he had always been. And it leaves tinubu only relevant in sw or should I say lagos because he is losing sw gradually

Donshegxy10:


That is what I said, tinubu will have his osun, Edo, Lagos , and key people in different states.

He has nothing to lose, it is better to be a regional champion than being in a farm, as popular as buhari his, how many people does he influence into position in the north?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Head or tail, tinubu will always win, people hate him because he is a serial winner.

Why do you think even opposition come to him to seek for anointing, if not that he is contesting all this yeye politicians would have turn his house to small Mecca, true or false?

Donshegxy10:


That is what I said, tinubu will have his osun, Edo, Lagos , and key people in different states.

He has nothing to lose, it is better to be a regional champion than being in a farm, as popular as buhari his, how many people does he influence into position in the north?

Your guess is as good as mine.

Head or tail, tinubu will always win, people hate him because he is a serial winner.

Why do you think even opposition come to him to seek for anointing, if not that he is contesting all this yeye politicians would have turn his house to small Mecca, true or false?

Alary:



He is not the one abi ? Then why you people then heap all the blames and inadequacy of APC on him and him alone.

HardMirror:
2009?

Softmirror:


Oh am so sorry, I meant 2011. Thank you for the correction. Well below is the statistics with regards to the Southwest in 2011 elections. It was the same Buhari vs the same Gej. So what happened in 2015 that produces a totally different results for the same candidates with reference to South West. The SouthEast have never voted in favour of Buhari till date.

Bragalane:
A question befitting of your dead brain Igbo father. You should cycle back when he affirms the stupidity he inherited from his wretch of a father before passing it done to you miserable soul.

HardMirror:
politicians visit even kings that have no political relevance

MadamVanessa:




Only fools subscribed to that baseless propaganda that Tinubu won 2015 election for Buhari. If there's anyone that played vital role for Buhari in 2015 presidential election , it was Rabi'u Musa Kwankwaso of Kano state and not Tinubu. Kano vote alone buried every other votes gotten by GEJ. Even Lagos state that Tinubu owned as his property, he could not influence it much during the election.


One of the overrated politician I have seen in my life is Tinubu.

HardMirror:
subtract the numbers from 2015 election, it is still not significant as you are assuming. Barely 2million votes. With all the issues pdp was having then, Buhari's result would have been even better. Pdp would still win southwest but would it have been more than 1million votes?

PaChukwudi44:
Tinubu percentage in Buhari's victory was not more than 25% but the SW media made it look like he singlehandedly made Buhari president

PaChukwudi44:
How he came to be called National leader of the APC by the SW media even when the party had a sitting president.

If anyone was to be called National leader of APC based on his contributions to Buhari's victory in 2015, That person would have been Kwankwaso not him

PaChukwudi44:
Tinubu percentage in Buhari's victory was not more than 25% but the SW media made it look like he singlehandedly made Buhari president

HardMirror:
which edo? Only lagos is sure for tinubu. Infact if not for apc being at the presidency, tinubu would have lost all except lagos long time ago

Softmirror:


Hardmirror I know you as a gambler hence you understand that it doesn't matter if Liverpool had more shots on target than Realmadrid what counts is the score line.

My dear brother, what you consider as a mere 1 million votes would have been a disservice to Buhari assuming the counted against him but in favour of Gej even with that 'marginal difference'. Do you agree?

HardMirror:
same propaganda tinubu is still using to stay relevant. The man is hyped beyond what he is truly worth.

Misterone:
only fools make comments like you just did. Tinubu spent his time campaigning across Nigeria, paid a US consultant to whitewash buhari from being dictator to a democrat, donate his hard earned money, private jet, media conglomerate and connections to buhari. You guys should know that in 2015 buhari was sick and had no money, not even money to buy nomination form. It was Tinubu that was crisscrossing the length and breadth of Nigeria to campaign for him. Now you can type rubbish with your phone.

Donshegxy10:


I honestly think your hatred is not allowing you to see the politics of 2015 clearly, if ACN had won south west in 2015 and buhari got his usual votes in South west, it would have been game over for him as usual because Jonathan would have cruised to victory.

HardMirror:
2011, pdp had 22 million votes, acn had 2 million votes and cpc had 12million votes. Add tinubus 2million to that of Buhari, that is 14 million votes for Buhari and still 22million for gen. I am using these figures since you want us to build from the fact that tinubu controlled sw votes. We have added the whole acn votes of tinubu to that of buhari and yet he does not still win. That shows you that the problem for Buhari was not buhari himself but pdp he was contesting against. The breakup of pdp won Buhari the election and not tinubu

SIRTee15:


we are now going in circles. right wing- left wing bla blal bla
so tell me who brought in AKPD. kwankwanso? saraki? atikiu? people that were housed in Tinubu's house in Lagos.
Nigeria is a 3rd world disaster because it suits western objectives fine- big but useless.
coups and counter coup? Nigeria is still one today courtesy of foreign powers. The day they are done with Nigeria is the beginning of her disintegration. U will continue to be a Nigerian until they say otherwise.
bye. at least u are more exposed than the dumb owner of the thread.

Softmirror:


Do the same with 2015 when Tinubu became an ally of Buhari let us see.

Softmirror:


Oh am so sorry, I meant 2011. Thank you for the correction. Well below is the statistics with regards to the Southwest in 2011 elections. It was the same Buhari vs the same Gej. So what happened in 2015 that produces a totally different results for the same candidates with reference to South West. The SouthEast have never voted in favour of Buhari till date. Hardmirror, compare the statistics, what could be responsible for the difference. Am sure that as you have rightly claimed, Buhari in an old grown name in that SouthWest before 2015. Will you like to analyse the votes Buhari have been getting from Southwest since he started contesting for President?

HardMirror:
do it yourself and show us.

Aidejay:

Who ever Yorubas give their votes to, becomes president wow!

HardMirror:
buhari would most likely have won without tinubu. He did not need to win the SW. You underestimate the influence Buhari had in southwest. There was empathy for him already because of Idiagbon. I remember how the elderly people spoke very well about Buhari as a good leader that does not tolerate nonsense. My parents and many elderly people sang his praises already not because of tinubu. If tinubu had presented another candidate, ACN would have come third again. The SW votes would go into 3 places, buhari did not need to win sw. Tinubu's party would have cut out of GEJs votes in southwest naturally. There was no way for Gej to win SW anyway.

SarkinYarki:
It's was just propaganda, the truth is that the PDP power bloc that decamped to APC did the magic

Softmirror:

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I intentionally had to create a new moniker so that my questions may be answered without it having a negative effect on our long term relationship on NL.

Am curious to know why Buhari contested 3 times and losing despite the massive votes he gets from the North. What did the North do differently that made him win the fourth time?