ElSudani:


Lack of infrastructure is the main reason the Nigerian economy is lagging. How do you even create an enabling environment without investing in infrastructure? What a contradiction!

the infrastructures are the creating wealth, and job? If yes then good.
Why would a good thinking administration abandon electricity that we offer millions of jobs and focus on railways that will offer hundreds of jobs even to niger republic at the same cost.
Why would a sane government abandon farmers and smes without any financial support while the same government is spending billions of dollars every month paying non existent npower workers let me tell you that npower is one of reasons the Nigerian economy collapsed because it is purely wasted. Just using it to cage the youths for votes during election I think the youths are realizing their undoing.
and the list continues.

logicalhumour:


Don't put it like that! I'm not arguing against infrastructure. I'm simply saying production should be prioritised. And e get why.

Ever since I remember myself, politicians have been selling themselves to us with stuff like "I will build this infrastructure, I will build that..." and yet, nothing ever seems to happen. Putting corruption aside, perhaps we're lagging on infrastructure because we just can't get production right!

Why don't we try something new?

for an economy like ours production should be highly prioritized sure, there is no need arguing already. What made china, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia,even Morocco and Egypt in Africa here leading economies are not good roads and good hospital which are also important but a prioritized productive infrastructures.

Abdu81:
the infrastructures are the creating wealth, and job? If yes then good.
Why would a good thinking administration abandon electricity that we offer millions of jobs and focus on railways that will offer hundreds of jobs even to niger republic at the same cost.
Why would a sane government abandon farmers and smes without any financial support while the same government is spending billions of dollars every month paying non existent npower workers let me tell you that npower is one of reasons the Nigerian economy collapsed because it is purely wasted. Just using it to cage the youths for votes during election I think the youths are realizing their undoing.
and the list continues.

You are either not being honest or not informed if you say electricity is abandoned. Electricity is certainly not abandoned.

Abdu81:
for an economy like ours production should be highly prioritized sure, there is no need arguing already. What made china, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia,even Morocco and Egypt in Africa here leading economies are not good roads and good hospital which are also important but a prioritized productive infrastructures.

How do you produce at optimum and move your products if electricity and transportation are not there? Na wah o.

DispatcherLagos:
E get as political Afonjas dey think. Thank God Femi otedola my man isn't part of them

Otedola just like Falana is a Catholic. All those other ones are pagan afonjas.

I think in contest, Obi meant, infrastructure alone can't create wealth but credit facility, enabling environment and mutual trust. You however can't create wealth without infrastructure. In the video, Fashola also made a mistake, he has a point but he does not even know how infrastructure can create wealth, I heard him say that it creates wealth when those that supply deiseal and construction materials get paid but no, any government project can pay people but it becomes wealth creation when it constantly impact on the nation's IGR, for example, access road to the rural community, constant electricity and many more. Wealth is not just having money but having to an extent a dependable means of livelihood.

They are both right, everyone has something to say but when they get there they start misbehaving.

tinsel:
OP, Fashola is actually making sense. Enough of all these nonsense and childish propaganda. Let us play like intelligent people and not like illiterates.

but you are not intelligent na

Kdon2:


Don't mind them, children of hate. Hatred for anything Yoruba will wipe them off the face of the earth eventually. Na weting destroy azikiwe political career be dat!

Can you measure the level of your imbecility? People are arguing constructively and you are forming ethnic gorilla. Too much of hate kills. So, be careful before you end up drinking sniper.

DispatcherLagos:
E get as political Afonjas dey think. Thank God Femi otedola my man isn't part of them

Stop being a petulant child. Stupidity like this will make Obi a SE candidate only, what is wrong with y'all? You can't be campaigning for votes with one side of your mouth and maligning fellow Nigerians with the other. Politics is a game of numbers and PO needs millions of people to win!

@OP, Fashola is right, however, it is all election time rhetoric. He did some good in Lagos but couldn't find his feet in the backward Buhari government. Folks are tired of the same APC/PDP politicians tossing us around like football.

It is madness to leave a pretender like Buhari for a brazen thief like Tinubu who's health is also clearly challenged.

Golan007:


As a farmer, good roads to your farm, construction of silos, bridges, railways, communication etc. would ease and improve your business.

Infrastructure is key.

Do you know that lack of human investment can create lack of jobs that can in turn creat insecurity that will force you not to go to your farms despite having a good road See the case of our dear country Nigeria.

Have you been to Birni Gwari in kaduna state before? Despite having the best and most motorable road today that leads to Abuja, no one dares to take that rout because Bandits have taken over. Even the Fg has had to block the road. The people living there can only pay heavily amount of money to be allowed to farm there by those bandits. Now how has that infrastructure helped?

Peter Obi is saying that if you invest in human beings, they will not even have time to go into crime. Look at Pantami for instance who was linked to terrorist activity; as a minister now, can he have the time to plan terrorist activities

I wish u could give me a matured/superior logic, devoid of insults so we can just discuss normally like adults that we both are, I will appreciate it

logicalhumour:

I just watched a short video where Fashola attempted to "school" Peter Obi on Infrastructure vs Production.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9HUruemlAI
(https://www.nairaland.com/7208125/fashola-schools-peter-obi-infrastructure)

I might know nothing to challenge someone like Fashola, but him making a statement such as "building infrastructures is the way to legitimately distribute wealth in an economy."...like seriously? Do Nigerians throw away common sense when it comes to politics?

Like, for example, how many people did the second Niger bridge employ, and where are they today? As opposed to refining diesel, or a steel plant producing steel and constantly employing common Nigerians for decades and decades?

He talked about how infrastructure automatically increases the demand for the materials used in building them. He forgot to mention how short-lived this demand is. Worse of all, we all know that we import the steel and our diesel!

I think watching this video of Fashola today has made me a die hard OBIdient tbfh. Obi is like a million steps ahead of these guys in thinking productively.

I mean, how about you work on producing your steel and diesel before thinking about Infrastructure? He spoke about millions of litres of diesel, tons and tons of steel used for that Niger bridge, etc.
Any smart person who sees the bigger picture will easily see how 'building infrastructure' in our current setting easily translates to consumption (since we'll be importing the lot of skills and materials!)

Isn't it obvious that production can easily translate to building infrastructure if prioritised in a country like Nigeria?

Prioritising production is like killing a thousand birds with one stone.

My f#*g opinion though.

What does a lawyer who have never own or successfully run any business apart from stealing government money know about economy...?

Them and their Agbado godfather would just keep disgracing themselves and keep twitting on WhatsApp all the time....!!

Valkrie:


What does a lawyer who have never own or successfully run any business apart from stealing government money know about economy...?

Them and their Agbado godfather would just keep disgracing themselves and keep twitting on WhatsApp all the time....!!

More than a 3rd class philosophy student who invested $12 million that is now worth only $5 million

ElSudani:
These people are so funny. What Fashola said is the absolute truth. One of the ways to boost employment and the economy is for the government to invest in infrastructure.
Obi will rather invest in a brewery though.

North korea has one of the best infrastructure in Asia but its citizens are hungry because of deep neck micro economic failure .China in the early 60s was one of the poorest countries in the world despite having the best infrastructure in Asia at the time but was able to become the second largest economic power in the world in 2022 due to brilliant economic policies and changes.

ElSudani:


More than a 3rd class philosophy student who invested $12 million that is now worth only $5 million

Whatever makes you happy is accepted....Happy Sunday...!!

ElSudani:


You are either not being honest or not informed if you say electricity is abandoned. Electricity is certainly not abandoned.

please can you intimate me on the progress made in the last seven years?

Bridget95:
North korea has one of the best infrastructure in Asia but its citizens are hungry because of deep neck micro economic failure .China in the early 60s was one of the poorest countries in the world despite having the best infrastructure in Asia at the time but was able to become the second largest economic power in the world in 2022 due to brilliant economic policies and changes.

Really? North Korea! NK is a communist country where private Enterprises are strictly prohibited. Secondly, outside Pyongyang there's nothing to write home about, it is as rural as it gets. The Chinese made a conscious decision to modernize, improve their infrastructure and encourage private enterprises, the result is what you are seeing today.
They didn't argue against reason and despite their tremendous success they are still investing trillions in infrastructure.

logicalhumour:

I just watched a short video where Fashola attempted to "school" Peter Obi on Infrastructure vs Production.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9HUruemlAI
(https://www.nairaland.com/7208125/fashola-schools-peter-obi-infrastructure)

I might know nothing to challenge someone like Fashola, but him making a statement such as "building infrastructures is the way to legitimately distribute wealth in an economy."...like seriously? Do Nigerians throw away common sense when it comes to politics?

Like, for example, how many people did the second Niger bridge employ, and where are they today? As opposed to refining diesel, or a steel plant producing steel and constantly employing common Nigerians for decades and decades?

He talked about how infrastructure automatically increases the demand for the materials used in building them. He forgot to mention how short-lived this demand is. Worse of all, we all know that we import steel and our diesel!

I think watching this video of Fashola today has made me a die hard OBIdient tbfh. Obi is like a million steps ahead of these guys in thinking productively.

I mean, how about you work on producing your steel and diesel before thinking about Infrastructure? He spoke about millions of litres of diesel, tons and tons of steel used for that Niger bridge, etc.
Any smart person who sees the bigger picture will easily see how 'building infrastructure' in our current setting easily translates to consumption (since we'll be importing the lot of skills and materials!)

Isn't it obvious that production can easily translate to building infrastructure if prioritised in a country like Nigeria?

Prioritising production is like killing a thousand birds with one stone.

My f#*g opinion though.

It's not the obligation of the government to " work on producing your steel". Gov't is responsible for formulating business-friendly policies, building infrastructure, providing incentives to private entities, and providing education to the teeming population to get them ready for the job market.

Also, Fashola is talking in his capacity as the minister of Infrastructure and Housing. His primary mandate is to deliver infrastructure to Nigerians, infrastructure that will make life more meaningful to Nigerians, and make the country a competitive destination for industries and investment. He is not the minister of steel and mining.

Finally, many of you throw logic out of the room whenever anyone criticizes Pete Obi. No one is stopping you from supporting the man but never assume that he will not be criticized, even if his suggestions are novel.

logicalhumour:

I just watched a short video where Fashola attempted to "school" Peter Obi on Infrastructure vs Production.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9HUruemlAI
(https://www.nairaland.com/7208125/fashola-schools-peter-obi-infrastructure)

I might know nothing to challenge someone like Fashola, but him making a statement such as "building infrastructures is the way to legitimately distribute wealth in an economy."...like seriously? Do Nigerians throw away common sense when it comes to politics?

Like, for example, how many people did the second Niger bridge employ, and where are they today? As opposed to refining diesel, or a steel plant producing steel and constantly employing common Nigerians for decades and decades?

He talked about how infrastructure automatically increases the demand for the materials used in building them. He forgot to mention how short-lived this demand is. Worse of all, we all know that we import the steel and our diesel!

I think watching this video of Fashola today has made me a die hard OBIdient tbfh. Obi is like a million steps ahead of these guys in thinking productively.

I mean, how about you work on producing your steel and diesel before thinking about Infrastructure? He spoke about millions of litres of diesel, tons and tons of steel used for that Niger bridge, etc.
Any smart person who sees the bigger picture will easily see how 'building infrastructure' in our current setting easily translates to consumption (since we'll be importing the lot of skills and materials!)

Isn't it obvious that production can easily translate to building infrastructure if prioritised in a country like Nigeria?

Prioritising production is like killing a thousand birds with one stone.

My f#*g opinion though.

I wouldn't know the level of your Education but it's obvious that trying to defend Peter Obi is making your Education looks like butt of the jokes.
Your attempt to punch holes in Fashola's speech on infrastructures is a criminal offense and I'm very disappointed to be sharing the same country as you. Y'all ipob illiterates are a disgrace to this country.

In a bit to sound smart, you referred to refining diesel and producing steel. Let me ask; do you understand what infrastructure mean?
If you did, you would know that there would be no production without infrastructures. To refine diesel, there must be a refinery, also to produce steel, there must be a steel plant. Both Refinery and Steel plant are infrastructures.
Pls, pls & pls, I'm begging all you Obi supporters to stop embarrassing this country in the name of defending a fraud because foreigners also frequent this forum. Face your gala and 2×2 and leave macro economics alone to people wey sabi.

nnamdi640:
I can see the kind of augment going on in this section of this headline as a result of obedient. No matter what you guys say the best is to create a friendly environment such creating job opportunities, stable electricity and good security also good educational system. When you build bridges and the above are lacking, a little disaster such as protest can turn those infrastructures to dust.

Is stable electricity not infrastructure?

adedayoa2:
They are both right, everyone has something to say but when they get there they start misbehaving.

Plssss, I beg of you, Obi is completely wrong. Infrastructure is the most important to any advanced, developed or developing economies in the world. Without infrastructures, there can't be production, without infrastructures, there simply can't be economic growth and development. It's fundamental economics.
These guys are 2×2 traders, they should focus on their buying & selling and leave economics alone for people who understand economics.

Valkrie:


What does a lawyer who have never own or successfully run any business apart from stealing government money know about economy...?

Them and their Agbado godfather would just keep disgracing themselves and keep twitting on WhatsApp all the time....!!

Fashola has proven to be a better administrator than Peter Obi. Leadership is not about throwing numbers around, especially when those numbers have no bearing on the subject matter.

I've taken my time to look at Peter Obi's achievement as the governor of Anambra. Watched and read some of his interviews. I've not noticed anything impressive about the man. He throws around numbers when not needed. He gave examples from other climes when he had 8 years to lead a state. If he was so impressive, he would have used Anambra as the template of growth he wants to institute in Nigeria. He would have told us how he transforms Anambra in his time as the governor of the state.

Kdon2:


And when has investing in brewery become a crime??

Co-ask

Golan007:


Is stable electricity not infrastructure?

My brother, abeg ask them o. These ipob illiterates do not understand the basic meaning of infrastructures. And see them everywhere arguing blindly. I'm so pissed with these guys. They should focus on their 2×2 and leave economics alone, they don't know Jack about economics. Peter Obi is making them disgrace their ancestors here.

abdulwastecx:


It's not the obligation of the government to " work on producing your steel". Gov't is responsible for formulating business-friendly policies, building infrastructure, providing incentives to private entities, and providing education to the teeming population to get them ready for the job market.

Also, Fashola is talking in his capacity as the minister of Infrastructure and Housing. His primary mandate is to deliver infrastructure to Nigerians, infrastructure that will make life more meaningful to Nigerians, and make the country a competitive destination for industries and investment. He is not the minister of steel and mining.

Finally, many of you throw logic out of the room whenever anyone criticizes Pete Obi. No one is stopping you from supporting the man but never assume that he will not be criticized, even if his suggestions are novel.

Fashola is not the Minister of Infrastructure.

PresidObi:


The best way to improve the economy is to create enabling environment for the masses to take over productive ventures and make profit, then pay tax.

Enabling environment like easy loans, stable interest rates, strong security, etc

You are right!
But Fashola's job is limited to the provision of infrastructure, in particular, road infrastructure. He is not saddled with the responsibility of providing security and the management of the fiscal policies of the country. Hence, the provision of easy loans, stable interest rates, and strong security should be directed at the appropriate people responsible for them.

Furthermore, road infrastructure is an important ingredient of production. It enables the movement of goods, services, and raw materials from rural areas to the center of production.

Finally, The second Niger bridge is a crucial infrastructure, an asset that the southeast has been craving for decades. The question is why is it been greeted with a lot of cynicism by people from the region? Is it because it is been built by the wrong party and the Afonja they hate so much?

abdulwastecx:


Fashola has proven to be a better administrator than Peter Obi. Leadership is not about throwing numbers around, especially when those numbers have no bearing on the subject matter.

I've taken my time to look at Peter Obi's achievement as the governor of Anambra. Watched and read some of his interviews. I've not noticed anything impressive about the man. He throws around numbers when not needed. He gave examples from other climes when he had 8 years to lead a state. If he was so impressive, he would have used Anambra as the template of growth he wants to institute in Nigeria. He would have told us how he transforms Anambra in his time as the governor of the state.

Spot on! God bless you. Why mention China a million times when you had eight years to at least practice what you are preaching on a state level.
The only thing he could point out was a bad investment in a brewery.

Great2017:

Fashola is not the Minister of Infrastructure

Monster of work and housing! I know and I used it interchangeably with infrastructure. The point still stood.

abdulwastecx:


Monster of work and housing! I know and I used it interchangeably with infrastructure. The point still stood.

You cannot use it interchangeably. His portfolio is a subset of infrastructure

ElSudani:
These people are so funny. What Fashola said is the absolute truth. One of the ways to boost employment and the economy is for the government to invest in infrastructure.
Obi will rather invest in a brewery though.

When you build infrastructure without building the human development index of your people, the Infrastructure will die with time. Plus maintenance will kill it too. How can't you see that?

A common example in Nigeria are the people who go to steal armoured cables and rail way sleepers and what nots. If the economy was good and we're gainfully employed or had good education and learned skills, you think They'll go on that sort of mission of economic sabotage?

The millions of litres of diesel used during the construction of the Niger bridge for example, and tons of steel were all imported. Do you know that tremendously boosted another country's economy and made us spend scarce oil dollars. You know that? BTW, building a refinery or reviving our steel production plants, are they not infrastructure?

What's y'all version of infrastructure? Lee Quan Lee built sky-scrappers and kept poor people of Singapore in them. In a few years he saw people rear pigs and goats in the beautiful buildings. Maintenance was poor and the buildings were becoming an eyesore. So he changed tactics. Developed the people and the people rose to in turn, build the infrastructure and towering skyscrapers. Priority is the word!

Great2017:
You cannot use it interchangeably. His portfolio is a subset of infrastructure

Okay. Noted and thanks

PresidObi:


The best way to improve the economy is to create enabling environment for the masses to take over productive ventures and make profit, then pay tax.

Enabling environment like easy loans, stable interest rates, strong security, etc

Before talking about Enabling environment, people want the basic amenities of life which are food, shelter, water, power, jobs and security - all these are infrastructures.
On the other hand, soft loans, low interest rates etc are the ease of doing business.
Oh my!. The quality of Education in that region is very poor and absymal. Pls, face your 2×2 and stop embarrassing this country. Obi will never be President, little wonder he had a 3rd class in Philosophy after spending 10 yrs.