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Who is a Christian please?

GeneralPula:
There wasn’t Christianity when Jesus was alive..

The problem with many people is that they lack Deductive Reasoning capacity.
They're Two Priestly Orders in the Bible, Viz Aaronic and Melchizedek.
Jesus belongs to the Melchizedek Priestly Order. Only Divine Beings operated that Priestly Order.
Both Priestly Orders RECEIVED TITHES from humans.
The ONLY difference is that while the Aaronic Priestly Order demands Tithes, the Melchizedek Priestly Order does not compel the givers. Abraham was grateful for successfully rescuing his nephew Lot and gave to God Gratitude Offering called Tithe.
Same thing Jacob promised to do, if God kept him safe in his journey and brought him safely back to his father's house.
If you don't feel God deserves your Gratitude for keeping, preserving, providing and protecting you, then keep your money.
But don't discourage those who are grateful enough to set apart from their earnings A Thank You Offerings known as Tithes for God.
Shalom.

Oluwapresley:
It gladdens my heart that Abel Damina is known. Cheers, man.

That's the only pastor I listen to, all other pastors makes me see Church and Christianity as a scam

Gospel2Day:
The problem with many people is that they lack Deductive Reasoning capacity.
They're Two Priestly Orders in the Bible, Viz Aaronic and Melchizedek.
Jesus belongs to the Melchizedek Priestly Order. Only Divine Beings operated that Priestly Order.
Both Priestly Orders RECEIVED TITHES from humans.
The ONLY difference is that while the Aaronic Priestly Order demands Tithes, the Melchizedek Priestly Order does not compel the givers. Abraham was grateful for successfully rescuing his nephew Lot and gave to God Gratitude Offering called Tithe.
Same thing Jacob promised to do, if God kept him safe in his journey and brought him safely back to his father's house.
If you don't feel God deserves your Gratitude for keeping, preserving, providing and protecting you, then keep your money.
But don't discourage those who are grateful enough to set apart from their earnings A Thank You Offerings known as Tithes for God.
Shalom.

But melchizedek was without beginning and end. Our pastors were born and will die. So, why should i give mortal men my tithe? Only christ is in the order of melchizedek and he didn't collect when he walked the earth, neither did he appoint Nigerian pastors to collect on his behalf.

bennybuhari:
Tithing is not by force

Guilt and fear are the 2 major tools used by religious leaders to manipulate their followers...I'm sure you know the meaning of manipulation.

ChuksHills:
I wonder the kind of bible he is using that he said tithing is not biblical. All believers should read the Bible for themselves.

It is not biblical.
It was a law for the isrealite to take care of the Levites who do not have inheritance. We are not under that law so it is not Biblical for Christians.

Bkdson2121:
Tithing is a benefit to the tither and not the pastor, Don't allowed the devil deprived you of your blessings.

Brainwashed...lol. Giving is a blessing to the giver oga.

clems88:
This one don miss road.
As for I'll continue paying because I know what happens when ever I don't pay my tithe

The power of your mind. What ever you believe works for you.

ChuksHills:
People who fight against tithing are people who don't do legal job and have no form of sincerity in them. Quote me anywhere

You just sit down and dish out lame statistics. Brainwashed human being afterall some of your colleagues were recently rescued in osun state.

loswhite:
It is not biblical.
It was a law for the isrealite to take care of the Levites who do not have inheritance. We are not under that law so it is not Biblical for Christians.

Paying tithe is not a law my brother. It is a principle that was practiced before the existance of Moses who gave the children of Israel the law.

Abraham was the first person who practiced the principle that why the Bible recorded in Hebrew that levite payed tithe while in Abraham loins.

Then Jacob was the second when he promised God in bethel that if God prospers him he will give God the tithe. The principle now became a general practice in lsreal so it not a law.

The levites were the only people that are qualified to receive the tithes because of their priesthood.

If you are saying this what will say about the law of divorce that Moses gave and Jesus said it was not right.

And mind you Jesus didn't not condemn tithe he only rebuke them of emphasising more on tithing and refusing to talk about the weigher matters.

ChuksHills:
Paying tithe is not a law my brother. It is a principle that was practiced before the existance of Moses who gave the children of Israel the law.

Abraham was the first person who practiced the principle that why the Bible recorded in Hebrew that levite payed tithe while in Abraham loins.

Then Jacob was the second when he promised God in bethel that if God prospers him he will give God the tithe. The principle now became a general practice in lsreal so it not a law.

The levites were the only people that are qualified to receive the tithes because of their priesthood.

If you are saying this what will say about the law of divorce that Moses gave and Jesus said it was not right.

And mind you Jesus didn't not condemn tithe he only rebuke them of emphasising more on tithing and refusing to talk about the weigher matters.

Abraham never gave tithe of his income. Abraham gave tithe from the spoils of war. It is very misleading to equate a tenth of spoils of war to a tenth of your income.
At best Abraham gave a gift of a tenth of the spoils of war. It is false teaching to equate that to Abraham tithing.
There is no place in the Bible that showed that Jacob fulfilled his vow...In Genesis 28 Jacob had a dream and when he woke up from the dream he made a VOW. Jacob has been having income before he slept and had that dream. There was no record of Jacob paying tithe from his income. He made a vow that if God will give him those things he revealed to him in that dream. He will give a tenth of it to God. The vow was not his income but on strictly the land that God promised to give to him and his descendants. There is no record of him fulfilling this vow. It is misleading for you to say Jacob paid tithe when there is no record of him actually paying tithe and zero record of him even fulfilling the vow.
Tithe is not a principle as you claimed. It is law for the Israelite. Read the book of leviticus and you will understand the laws given to the isrealite. They were strictly under a law to tithe because the levites so not have inheritance or land or anything.
Finally Jesus did not commend tithing except the word Woe in your English Dictionary means commendation...lol. Jesus only added the last part of that verse simply because he was under the law. Condemning tithing outrightly would have been blasphemy. The only place Jesus talked about tithe was stating clearly that is not a weightier matter and specifically downplaying it and showing it is less important but Christians today totally disagree with Jesus.

dogmart:
Dear Christian ,if the footstep of Abraham was enough Christ wouldn't have come. Christ's death wouldn't have been nessesary.

I hope you are not forgetting the footstep of Abraham includes slaughtering of Rams, stone alters and offering burnings.

I do hope you practice those too, so that you can be assured of walking in the footstep of Abraham.

Christ came in fulfillment of the promise God made to Abraham.

genkins:
Keep wallowing in your delusions. I wish I was your pastor, I will knack ur wife and daughters and also collect your monies as seed just to teach u a thing or two.

Seeds people sow doesn't make pastors rich. Pastors who are rich became rich by what they give. This rhema is too high for you.

The last days. . Why do you safe people and still put yolks on ther necks. .

For Nigerian pastor's, their maxim would be "we die there"

bennybuhari:
Tithing is not by force

bennybuhari:
Tithing is not by force

It is not biblical....in the sense that the bible no longer demand for it. It has served its purpose

Throwback:
The Devil is finally loosing the battle of monetised religion.

Where is righteousness with half baked bible knowledge?

Truth prevailing at last

loswhite:
Abraham never gave tithe of his income. Abraham gave tithe from the spoils of war. It is very misleading to equate a tenth of spoils of war to a tenth of your income.
At best Abraham gave a gift of a tenth of the spoils of war. It is false teaching to equate that to Abraham tithing.
There is no place in the Bible that showed that Jacob fulfilled his vow...In Genesis 28 Jacob had a dream and when he woke up from the dream he made a VOW. Jacob has been having income before he slept and had that dream. There was no record of Jacob paying tithe from his income. He made a vow that if God will give him those things he revealed to him in that dream. He will give a tenth of it to God. The vow was not his income but on strictly the land that God promised to give to him and his descendants. There is no record of him fulfilling this vow. It is misleading for you to say Jacob paid tithe when there is no record of him actually paying tithe and zero record of him even fulfilling the vow.
Tithe is not a principle as you claimed. It is law for the Israelite. Read the book of leviticus and you will understand the laws given to the isrealite. They were strictly under a law to tithe because the levites so not have inheritance or land or anything.
Finally Jesus did not commend tithing except the word Woe in your English Dictionary means commendation...lol. Jesus only added the last part of that verse simply because he was under the law. Condemning tithing outrightly would have been blasphemy. The only place Jesus talked about tithe was stating clearly that is not a weightier matter and specifically downplaying it and showing it is less important but Christians today totally disagree with Jesus.

Well said brother

Gospel2Day:
The problem with many people is that they lack Deductive Reasoning capacity.
They're Two Priestly Orders in the Bible, Viz Aaronic and Melchizedek.
Jesus belongs to the Melchizedek Priestly Order. Only Divine Beings operated that Priestly Order.
Both Priestly Orders RECEIVED TITHES from humans.
The ONLY difference is that while the Aaronic Priestly Order demands Tithes, the Melchizedek Priestly Order does not compel the givers. Abraham was grateful for successfully rescuing his nephew Lot and gave to God Gratitude Offering called Tithe.
Same thing Jacob promised to do, if God kept him safe in his journey and brought him safely back to his father's house.
If you don't feel God deserves your Gratitude for keeping, preserving, providing and protecting you, then keep your money.
But don't discourage those who are grateful enough to set apart from their earnings A Thank You Offerings known as Tithes for God.
Shalom.

So which divine being is receiving your tithe now? The pastors or priests in the churches? Because those are the guys spending all those tithes as they see fit.

genkins:
But melchizedek was without beginning and end. Our pastors were born and will die. So, why should i give mortal men my tithe? Only christ is in the order of melchizedek and he didn't collect when he walked the earth, neither did he appoint Nigerian pastors to collect on his behalf.

If you think it is just pastors you give your tithes to and not God through them, then keep your money. Even Melchizedek had to manifest in human flesh to collect tithes.
Don't worry, just have your tithes ready to give to God personally when you die and stand before His judgment Throne.
Shalom.

loswhite:
Abraham never gave tithe of his income. Abraham gave tithe from the spoils of war. It is very misleading to equate a tenth of spoils of war to a tenth of your income.
At best Abraham gave a gift of a tenth of the spoils of war. It is false teaching to equate that to Abraham tithing.
There is no place in the Bible that showed that Jacob fulfilled his vow...In Genesis 28 Jacob had a dream and when he woke up from the dream he made a VOW. Jacob has been having income before he slept and had that dream. There was no record of Jacob paying tithe from his income. He made a vow that if God will give him those things he revealed to him in that dream. He will give a tenth of it to God. The vow was not his income but on strictly the land that God promised to give to him and his descendants. There is no record of him fulfilling this vow. It is misleading for you to say Jacob paid tithe when there is no record of him actually paying tithe and zero record of him even fulfilling the vow.
Tithe is not a principle as you claimed. It is law for the Israelite. Read the book of leviticus and you will understand the laws given to the isrealite. They were strictly under a law to tithe because the levites so not have inheritance or land or anything.
Finally Jesus did not commend tithing except the word Woe in your English Dictionary means commendation...lol. Jesus only added the last part of that verse simply because he was under the law. Condemning tithing outrightly would have been blasphemy. The only place Jesus talked about tithe was stating clearly that is not a weightier matter and specifically downplaying it and showing it is less important but Christians today totally disagree with Jesus.

Nice one. Unfortunately most Bible readers do not pay attention to the details.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nln6LevBVJk
21st century Nollywood Scene, funny and crazy
Pastor Tithe

mohims:
The frog eyes Bishop in Canaan Land will always you tell you that it's compulsory as a Christian. Honestly, I fear for this Preacher's life because the likes of Oyedepo will not like this at all. The may send hit men after this Preacher because of this revelation. God please protect this Preacher from all evil

This man said this ... So its now true bah.... If you are not paying it why e dey vex you

Kobojunkie:
Where was what stated?

Am asking you where it said offering and tithing is a sin

Fearyourcreator:
Am asking you where it said offering and tithing is a sin

▪︎It is a sin because Jesus Christ warned that you cannot serve two Masters in the Kingdom of God.

▪︎It is a sin because Jesus Christ warned against attempting to put new wine in Old wine Skin.

▪︎It is sin because God warned against attempts to usw His Name in practicing that which He never decreed in His Law to begin with. It is akin to adding laws to God's Eternal Law.
....

Tithing is a sin against God for all those who claim to belong to Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
▪︎It is a sin because Jesus Christ warned that you cannot serve two Masters in the Kingdom of God.

▪︎It is a sin because Jesus Christ warned against attempting to put new wine in Old wine Skin.

▪︎It is sin because God warned against attempts to usw His Name in practicing that which He never decreed in His Law to begin with. It is akin to adding laws to God's Eternal Law.
....

Tithing is a sin against God for all those who claim to belong to Jesus Christ.

You are just dancing around... Them no dey force all this things ... Its voluntarily

Fearyourcreator:
You are just dancing around... Them no dey force all this things ... Its voluntarily

Adultery is also voluntary but that doesn't make it any less of a sin against God..

IrepChrist:
I have listened to the message.
You can pay your tithe it's not unscriptural. But all the punishment for non payers are laws in the old testament. Mal: 3:7-10.
In the new testament, you are no more under those laws if you default.

All giving are voluntary and should be done according to how God has blessed you.

I still pay tithe and I will continue but I am not under the old testament law but under grace.




And tithe is not your ticket to heaven.
https://www.nairaland.com/7208619/tithing-does-not-guarantee-make

Agree. Not your ticket to riches as well.

Some pastors even claim you will go to hell fire for not paying tithes.

Kobojunkie:
Adultery is also voluntary but that doesn't make it any less of a sin against God..

Adultery and giving offering ... Nawa ooo...
Oga no one dey force you ... If it's sin to you .. Its not to me...
If you no give offering or tithe ... Your problem ... Sin ko ... Sinner ni

Fearyourcreator:
Adultery and giving offering ... Nawa ooo

Sin is sin in the Kingdom of God only some come with curses attached. When you adopt ideas that are not of God in His name, you bring upon yourself a curse - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13 .