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Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Nobody: 1:27pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
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Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Kobojunkie: 2:52pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
Fearyourcreator:Jesus Christ wasn't instead specific about the kind of giving that is to be done using His Name. Your tithing and offering aren't one of them since you do so in submission to laws and ideas that are not of Him. So, again, everytime you partake in your tithes and offerings using His Name, you sin against God. If your giving were done instead in the name of your pastors and mogs, rather than in God's Name, then you would commit no sin against God. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by 43Ronin: 3:26pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
Gospel2Day:As a pastor it seems you don't understand what tithes meant to the Israelites. Tithe was simply a tax system (10%) which was used to cater for the priests ministering to yhwh on behalf of the people. because they were offering daily sacrifices to God they couldn't work hence the reason why Tithing was needed to keep them from being hungry and destitute. Now tell me why you are collecting tithe? Are you a chief priest? Is there a temple? Do you see God in the holy-of-holies. Are you now offering sacrifices on behalf of ur congregation to GOD? Are you.now Jesus that has been made a high priest in the order of Melchizedek and his sacrifice was once and final? Hmmm, be careful oo Mr pastor, you can already see the road you are heading on [b](Galatians 5:4 - (A)You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; (B)you have fallen from grace)[/b]You are not a levite & there is no temple so why are you collecting tithe? Did the desciples collect tithes? Didn't the desciples ask for donations so that they shared every they got and there wasn't a needy amongst them? Acts 4:34-36. Don't send yourself to hell because of money oo. Creflo dollar has repented, same with benny hinn. Hypocrisy is Tithing under law, but refusing to kill your stubborn son 1 Like |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Janosky: 4:08pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
Onosb1990:What happens to all the huge sums of money fleeced from gullible sheeples Hoodwinked on the unbiblical tithe scam? This fact is sure: Naija pastorpreneurs won't like this exposure at all. Creflo done spoil their market. 1 Like |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 4:16pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
43Ronin: Do you know how many people are on the payroll of churches? Your comment has exposed your hypocrisy and ignorance. So, you don't know that there are full time church workers? Now that you know how do you think they are being paid their monthly salary? |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 4:21pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
43Ronin: I have just TWO questions for you: 1. Should New Testament saints give to God more or less than the Old Testament Jews did? 2. What did Jesus teach His disciples about Tithing in Matthew 23? I await your answers. Shalom. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Fearyourcreator: 5:15pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
mohims:Your type plenty here ... Na just to dey talk anyhow... Another Sunday go come ... Carry mega phone dey shout say make them no pay offering and tithe... Na you go tire ... |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 5:20pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: For you. Never claim the salvation that the blood of christ brings. Giving or collecting tithe is against the finished work of christ on the cross. Tithing is a sin against the holy spirit and it can never be forgiven. God help u |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by 43Ronin: 5:34pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: 1Thessaloniki 2:9 For ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail: for labouring night and day, because we would not be chargeable unto any of you, we preached unto you the gospel of God. 1 Like |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 6:33pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: The problem with people like u Is that, after attending Bible school and being taught by an equally ignorant fellow like u, u now feel u know scriptures. Lol 1.new testament saints can only give to God in one way..and it's in Matt 25:31-46. Contributions and freewill offering in our local church are gifts of love simple but can be to God if it's shared among the needy. 2.for u to say that Jesus taught his disciples in Matt 23 shows how ignorant you are of the scriptures and you say u r a pastor.. Lol. In Matt 23:23,jesus was talking to the pharisees and teachers of the law that they pay more attention to less relevant things under thier Jewish law like tithing instead of justice, faith and mercy. They are suppose to do both with more reference to what's more important.. Thats why he called them blind fools.. That they spend time cleaning the outside of a jar, is the inside not more important? Besides, Jesus was under the law atm and Christianity had not started till after he gave his life on the cross. This one wey I teach you free of charge.. U go pay oo.. But shame dey catch me for you oo 2 Likes |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by mohims(m): 6:43pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
Fearyourcreator:Mumu you office don dey close for you. E dey pain you. I feel your pain. Chai this pastor really do una strong thing. Take heart you hear. I feel your pain
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Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Fearyourcreator: 6:50pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
mohims:See this ... You sef know.. People go am ... |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by sholay2011(m): 7:37pm On Jul 06, 2022 |
4tunebest:God bless you! |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 8:04am On Jul 07, 2022 |
genkins: Have you finished exposing and announcing your ignorance to the world? So, giving to the poor is the ONLY way to give in the New Testament? Which church do you attend, and which pastor raised you? So, you didn't see other places in your own Bible where Believers are enjoined by Paul to give towards Gospel Causes and Minister's upkeep ? It just goes to show how manipulative and hypocritical you're to have picked only Matthew 25 as the only way Christians should give. Let me help cure your ignorance and arrogance. In 1 Corinthians 16 v 1 - 4, believers give offerings every Sunday to gather money to support Jerusalem saints under persecution. In Titus 3 : 14 Paul exhorted Christians to give towards meeting urgent financial needs of the church. In Galatia 6 : 10 Paul asked believers to give to the needy and ESPECIALLY towards pastor's upkeep. If the tithing Jesus spoke to the people in Matthew 23 no longer binds in the Church Age, what about the "justice, mercy, and faithfulness" He spoke about there? Are those also not binding, simply because Jesus spoke them before His death and resurrection? I'm ashamed of your Christianity. You're very ignorant. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 8:08am On Jul 07, 2022 |
genkins: Have you finished exposing and announcing your ignorance to the world? So, giving to the poor is the ONLY way to give in the New Testament? Which church do you attend, and which pastor raised you? So, you didn't see other places in your own Bible where Believers are enjoined by Paul to give towards Gospel Causes and Minister's upkeep ? It just goes to show how manipulative and hypocritical you're to have picked only Matthew 25 as the only way Christians should give. Let me help cure your ignorance and arrogance. In 1 Corinthians 16 v 1 - 4, believers give offerings every Sunday to gather money to support Jerusalem saints under persecution. In Titus 3 : 14 Paul exhorted Christians to give towards meeting urgent financial needs of the church. In Galatia 6 : 10 Paul asked believers to give to the needy and ESPECIALLY towards pastor's upkeep. Read 1 Corinthians 9 : 13 & 14. Jesus COMMANDED those who preach the Gospel to get their livelihood from the Gospel. So, how will that be possible, if as you wrongly said that the ONLY way to give in the New Testament is in Matthew 25? If the tithing Jesus spoke to the people in Matthew 23 no longer binds in the Church Age, what about the "justice, mercy, and faithfulness" He spoke about there? Are those also not binding, simply because Jesus spoke them before His death and resurrection? |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 8:18am On Jul 07, 2022 |
43Ronin: You're very ignorant. So you don't know that Paul was receiving financial support from other churches to serve here for free? In 2 Corinthians 11 : 8 & 9, same Paul you quoted said, " I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you." You're very very ignorant. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 8:28am On Jul 07, 2022 |
genkins: You're ignorant. Irresponsible folks always wanting free things, without sacrificial commitment. The implications of the Blood of Christ shed to purchase us means He owns everything we are and have. So, based on the fact that Jesus died for you and me, you have no rights over your money again. He only decides and determines how you spend it And in 2 Corinthians 9 : 6 & 7 we are enjoined to give both CHEERFULLY AND BOUNTIFULLY, meaning Plentously. So, if you earn 100k and you want to give cheerfully and bountifully won't you give more than 10k? They want to be higher than the Jews, but don't want to give higher than them. Hypocrites. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 10:36am On Jul 07, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: Lol.. See the criminal and fraudulent interpretation your pastor gave you.. Lol.. How old are u sef? Make e nor be say na teenager I de talk to. I Don tire for your matter. Keep giving to your pastor, let him be rich whilst u die in penury. Your pastor Las Las ko wire ur wife and daughters and still collect your money since u don't want to have sense |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 10:39am On Jul 07, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: The problem with you Nigerians is lack of comprehension. Maybe because of the substandard education you are exposed to. Now sit down son, use ur head and listen. Giving to the poor is not the only way to give. BUT GIVING TO THE POOR OR NEEDY IS THE ONLY WAY TO GIVE TO GOD. Giving to the church is not to God. Unless it's used for the poor or needy.go back and read Matt 25 again and tell me who the sheep gave to that made them make heaven. Supporting the gospel is a good thing but giving to God is another thing. Now, can u spot the difference? Now u going back to still show ur vast ignorance about Matt 23 shows that you need to unlearn the rubbish your fraudster pastors taught you. Research the difference BTW Judaism and Christianity, maybe u just might wake up |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 3:09pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
genkins: Your use of words shows clearly a deficiency in your upbringing. You lack courtesy and respect. And it is highly unlikely you're born again. There's something about a true believer that you do not exude. Jesus taught Blessed are the pure in spirit. Blessed are the persecuted for theirs is the kingdom of God. According to you, those Beatitudes do not apply to Christians, abi? I give up when you said giving to the gospel is not giving to God. Both family-wise and Church-wise, you're not well raised, I'm sorry to say. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Kobojunkie: 3:30pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Gospel2Day:1. Exude? What exactly did Jesus Christ teach you that a true believer exudes? 2. What do you understand by the phrase "pure of heart"? |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 8:47pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: Lol.. He backs out after he cannot defend his ignorance.. It's his type that thinks being born again is placing your 2 hands together to answer altar call and repeating the nonsense his pastors dictate for him to say.. but later he will pray for his enemies to die and give money to mammon.. Lol.. Hahahahahajaj |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 8:49pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: Lol.. He backs out after he cannot defend his ignorance.. Him that is born again, howcome the holy spirit cannot interprete simple scriptures to him? It's his type that thinks being born again is placing your 2 hands together to answer altar call and repeating the nonsense his pastors dictate for him to say.. but later he will pray for his enemies to die and give money to mammon.. Lol.. Hahahahahajaj |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 9:16pm On Jul 07, 2022 |
genkins: Back out for what reason? You're both ignorant and arrogant. To you, NOTHING in the Bible matters, NOT even what Jesus said, except what happened after His resurrection. So, you can cut away Genesis to John in your Bible then. You don't impress me with your half-baked knowledge of the Bible. Satan also knows and quotes the Bible. But he and others like you don't exhibit the fruit of the Spirit. May you find help soon. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 8:01am On Jul 08, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: With the rate u are Goin, you won't learn anything. Too much pride in ignorance. Maybe in the next 3yrs,ie if ul have sense by then, ul come back to what u wrote here and be ashamed of yourself. It's ur type that thinks everything biblical is Christian. Ur type doesn't know that the Bible contains 2 religions.it's ur type that thinks the shrine u goto on Sunday is the church, It's Ur type that thinks Elisha and David were Christians, no wonder u goto ur shrine every sunday to dance like David danced.. Lol.. I don't blame u actually.. Ignorance begets ignorance.. Hahajajajja |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 4:30pm On Jul 08, 2022 |
genkins: Are you done with the insults and mockery? The Bible correctly describes your kind "Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies." When you grow up in years to come, return to apologize and admit your errors. Shalom. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 5:00pm On Jul 08, 2022 |
genkins: According to your error, the teaching of Jesus to turn the other cheek when slapped does not apply to and is not binding on Christians, since He taught it before He died and rose from the dead. So your kind of Christians should slap back whoever slaps them first. Also, the teaching of Jesus to forgive others 70 times 7 times is not binding on Christians because such teaching is not in Acts to Revelation, abi? The reason I pity you more is because of the prideful confidence you have in your ignorance. May you find help soonest. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by God2man2again(m): 6:49am On Jul 09, 2022 |
Argumentative,continuous, controversial and overflogged Tithing issues. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 8:59pm On Jul 09, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: I don't have time to teach you.lemme just try.. But I don't expect u to understand. Uve been brainwashed thoroughly and maybe u have limited education. Christ came to usher in the new way. His assertions were at variance to what the pharisees knew. He kept on telling the jews but they couldn't understand. Jesus was still under the law. Matt 23:23 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth(A) of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness.(B) You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. Observe the bolded word. Get this straight into your empty skull. When he rebuked the pharisees for giving tithes and thus neglecting to do what is more important in thier law, he was referring to thier Judaism practice.that, even in thier Judaism they are to do all but can't they understand that justice, mercy and faith are more important? When reading scripture, observe who is speaking, who is spoken to and for what purpose the statement is made. I never inferred that anything christ said before his death is not Christian.Use ur head. What was in place then was the law of Moses, which he came to fulfill (complete) and to show a new way. Turning the other cheek and forgiveness were not in practice under the law, the law said an eye for an eye. Tithing was under the old law and christ mocked the teachers of the law for not emphasing what's more important in thier law. They were not supposed to go against thier own laws(Moses) which was imperfect and difficult to keep until he, christ fulfilled it. Christ fulfilled the law of tithing. Now, who is ignorant? My boy, ignorance is not a crime. Own up and be saved. That's the only way u can learn.forget ur dumb pastor, they only know how to collect ur money and sleep with ur wives.. Lol |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 12:45am On Jul 10, 2022 |
genkins: The more you insist to know, the more you expose your ignorance. It is obvious you don't know or understand The Principle of First Mention in Biblical Interpretation. Check your Bible again and you will see that Tithing was in practice before God established the Nation of Israel and gave Moses the Law at Sinai. Tithing did not come with the Law . The fulfilment of the Law by Jesus did not invalidate it. During Pre-Law times, it was given both by Abraham and Jacob freely by conviction, and NOT by commandment or compulsion. I can see you emboldened and emphasized THE LAW. Sorry, you're very ignorant. Tithing is not a baby of the Law. Levi, the progenitor of Aaronic Priests who took tithes under the Law figuratively PAID TITHES THROUGH ABRAHAM to the superior Priestly Order of Melchizedek. The very Priestly Order presently operating in the Church Age or Christian Era. The Priesthood of Christ receives tithes from humans BY CONVICTION AND NOT BY COMMANDMENT OR COMPULSION. If Paul said Levites paid tithes to Melchizedek, how wise of you to claim and very proudly too that Tithing is exclusively paid under the Law? How can people under the Era of Grace, to whom much more has been given GIVE LESS than Jews who operated under an inferior Covenan Check your Bible again, you will see The Principle of Proportionality stated by Jesus Himself, when He said "To whom much more is given, much more is expected." EXPECTED, not COMMANDED. EXPECTATION from COMMITMENT AND CONVICTION. Can you apply that to Tithing? Does that Principle suggest that Christians may have to give more than tithes to further the gospel and to do charity deeds? Actually, tithing should be THE LEAST expected of Christians, by way of giving. Remember, the God Abraham paid tithes to he called "the Possessor of heaven and the earth", the very same thing Melchizedek said "Blessed be the God of Abram, the Possessor of heaven and earth." Can you see where the CONVICTION that spurred Abraham to tithe came from? Can you be THE OWNER of a sum of money and the human caretaker you put in charge of your money is arguing about giving you A Tenth of what is your own possession? There is much I would like to teach you but you are too full of yourself to learn. You claim to be a Christian, but you called me "empty skull". It's alright. I understand. It is impossible to act like one is a Christian when they're really not by experience. Even in Bible Schools, there are professors of Theology who are not Born Again yet. So, I hold no grudge. I only pray you humble yourself, take a bow at the foot of the Cross and ask for the experience of genuine regeneration. God bless you. Shalom. |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by genkins(m): 1:40pm On Jul 10, 2022 |
Gospel2Day: This is the stupidest thing I have ever read.. Such a lengthy piece of rubbish.anyways, I thought like u b4. That I said ur brain is empty as a fact is not an insult. Tithing was not commanded before the law. Fraudulent pastors seem to claim that since Abraham(Abram) gave tithes(once) to melchizedek it means we can tithe as grace.. Lol. Or that since Jacob vowed to tithe, that means tithe was in practice b4 the law.. Lol.. Another scam.many things were in practice b4 the law, why choose the one that means more money to the thieves? Tithe was never money anyways. U keep shooting ur self in the foot. U claim christ said Christians should tithe.. I showed you that the tithe christ talked about was the law of moses type(Matt 23:23) You now changed pattern claiming that tithe is prelaw and Christians should do the type Abraham did...howbeit only once Hahahajajajajj.. Lwkmd.. Ignorance at its best. Now that I will show u how stupid it is to tithe as Abraham did. What will u now say? Read the Bible for your self. U gain nothing from tithing. The person that gains from tithing is your pastor so he will twist and twist so that u must pay. 1.Abram gave tithes to melchizedek before he became Abraham.(mnn.. Think) 2.Abraham did it only once after he fought a war. (who told u to do it Monthly.. Ur guess is as good as mine) 3.Abraham received bread and wine before he gave melchizedek the honorarium. 4.Abraham gave from spoils of war and not from his own wealth(u fools don't goto war right? and yet u pay from ur salary.. Laughable) 5.Abraham gave back 90% to the owner of the loot.. King of Sodom.(why don't u return back 90% to ur employer.. Lol. 6.Abraham gave tithes to melchizedek who had no beginning and end. (your pastors were not born? , won't they die?. Who told the to receive tithes?) 7.Only christ is in the order of melchizedek. (Christ did not even qualify to receive levitical tithes here on earth neither did he receive any tithes. when he left, he never appointed ur fraudsters to collect on his behalf. They appointed themselves melchizedek, after they could not defend being levites.. Lol U can see that as a Christian, it is impossible to give or receive tithes under Abraham(prelaw) neither can u under the law of Moses. Tithing in Christianity is a sin against the holy spirit, an insult to the freedom and finished work of christ. Now lemme ask you, what is the essence of What Paul wrote in hebrews 7?im sure u don't know. You copied the rubbish u wrote up there maybe from your pastors pamphlet.. Lol Now, giving in Christianity is freewill. 100%,5%..as u like. Christ paid it all on the cross. We Christians are now free. We don't give to be blessed neither do we give to rebuke the devourer.. We give in love which is the message of christ.any pastor manipulating you to give more that 10% claiming that since the jew do 10%,u should do more, is a big thief. You should repent boy! |
Re: US Pastor, Creflo Dollar, Denounces His Position On Tithing, I Was Wrong (video) by Gospel2Day: 2:00pm On Jul 10, 2022 |
genkins: I keep waiting to see the fruit of the Spirit in your words, but you keep exuding and exposing, as usual and habitual of you, an unregenerated, un-sanctified heart. You don't know my age, but you keep hurling and heaping insults on me. It is well. Thanks. I hold no grudge. I repeat: visit the foot of the Cross. You need it. You don't sound as someone truly born of the Spirit and of a broken and sanctified heart. You lack respect and meekness. I now understand why Paul said that "knowledge puffs up, but love edifies." |
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