Lukuluku69:


There is a story of the Hunter writing about his exploits in the hunting business. Had the hunted too had the same chance to tell his stories perhaps we can hear from the other side of the story too.

Abraham Lincoln was a slave owner bros. He did not end shi t

I gave you and example of the Queen of England. He heads the Anglicans. They own slaves and Territories till independence were granted these colonies up on till 1975!

Till now, the aboriginal population are still disenfranchised in Australia and the Brisish are staying put. Same thing in Latin America.

Only last week the Pope was on a Pilgrimage of Penance to Canada. To seek the first Nation and other tribes forgiveness for the death of over 3,000 kids who were forcefully taken from their parents in order to re-educated them and forced them to think and act like European Chrisrians.

You some of the names you mentioned you there might bear Europeans names and attend Churches, deep down they are Free Thinkers who just have to conform because European Christians and Society do burn at the stakes!

You have failed to mention the Atheist that ended slavery.
And if you don't know the role Lincoln played in abolishing slavery in America then you really know nothing about history as you claim.
Little history lesson, below are the list of American president who owned slaves. Abraham Lincoln never owned slaves.
American Presidents Who Owned Slaves
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
James K. Polk
Zachary Taylor
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses S. Grant
Are you really sure you are a student of history?

tctrills:

No, we should seek to improve and do better.

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And in doing better, who calls the. Shots? Whose Laws/Codes would be applicable to us all?

Who defines what is just and what is not?

There are Laws and Commands, injuctions in the Bible you carry. Are you ready to abide by them?

The Muslims are ready to abide. If we do this, the world will be a better place for us all

Lukuluku69:


Let the Muslims seek for that separation themselves. It is not your call

The Roman Catholic Church influence I be Europe was overwhelming. Rome, France, Dutch land, Spain wwre under their influence. It was Rome that raised the Crusading Armies

And their the Anglicans were still under their influence in many respect they only parted ways when.a certain England King ignored the Papal office over a marital issue. Get your fact right

You can read about many wars they sanctioned within Europe to silence rebellion too

Of course, if it were my call, I would have long since rescued the Muslim world. But like every good citizen of the world, I am concerned.

Lukuluku69:


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And in doing better, who calls the. Shots? Whose Laws/Codes would be applicable to us all?

Who defines what is just and what is not?

There are Laws and Commands, injuctions in the Bible you carry. Are you ready to abide by them?

The Muslims are ready to abide. If we do this, the world will be a better place for us all

First, you do not understand the laws in the bible. Secondly, I would live and abide by the teaches of my religion but would not force or compel anyone to follow my religion. Let me quote from the bible.
Joshua 24:15 Choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord”
My religion allows others to worship, believe and practice whatever they choose.

tctrills:

You have failed to mention the Atheist that ended slavery.
And if you don't know the role Lincoln played in abolishing slavery in America then you really know nothing about history as you claim.
Little history lesson, below are the list of American president who owned slaves. Abraham Lincoln never owned slaves.
American Presidents Who Owned Slaves
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
William Henry Harrison
John Tyler
James K. Polk
Zachary Taylor
Andrew Johnson
Ulysses S. Grant
Are you really sure you are a student of history?

Well, be the judge and score me if you were to be my Professor as your student. Lol.

These names you put up there, please find out if those guys up there were Slaves owners before or after the prohibitions?

Abraham Lincoln was he not the President when the North and South of America fought their Civil War! Bros, check well, he owns slaves.

Lukuluku69:


Well, be the judge and score me if you were to be my Professor as your student. Lol.

These names you put up there, please find out if those guys up there were Slaves owners before or after the prohibitions?

Abraham Lincoln was he not the President when the North and South of America fought their Civil War! Bros, check well, he owns slaves.

Oga, your history needs some dusting. All these men were presidents before Lincoln.
Don't take my words for it, do a little research. Google 'which American Presidents owned slaves.'

tctrills:

First, you do not understand the laws in the bible. Secondly, I would live and abide by the teaches of my religion but would not force or compel anyone to follow my religion. Let me quote from the bible.
Joshua 24:15 Choose this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served in the region beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my household, we will serve the Lord”
My religion allows others to worship, believe and practice whatever they choose.

I don't understand the Laws of the Bible? Really really?

Please tell me what the Laws of the Bible says when someone entices me to go worship another god aside the one that Inspires Moses?

And why did God told Moses to kill the golden calf worshippers if indeed He (God) allows for freedom of worship and why did Moses ordered that a man be stoned to death for breaking the Sabbath which the Lord God has keep holy?

I will wait ..

tctrills:

Oga, your history needs some dusting. All these men were presidents before Lincoln.
Don't take my words for it, do a little research. Google 'which American Presidents owned slaves.'

Oh it need dusting but I am a good student or just an average student? Lol.

See, go back and read up on Abraham Lincoln. He owned slaves. Perhaps he freed them later in accordance with the policy of abolition.

For I know that the major cause of the war his the issue of slave ownership.

The South needs more hands on the farm and for Lands recently seized from the gringos while the the industrial North would have non of that

Abraham Lincoln owned slaves.

tctrills:

Of course, if it were my call, I would have long since rescued the Muslim world. But like every good citizen of the world, I am concerned.

Just so you know, the Muslims won't abandon the Shariah the way the Jews and Christians did with God's Laws and commandments.

When you know this, you will know peace and try to avoid conflict.

It is called an everlasting Law for a reason. Unless you are saying God was bluffing with the "everlasting" part

I beg I wan go chop

Lukuluku69:


I don't understand the Laws of the Bible? Really really?

Please tell me what the Laws of the Bible says when someone entices me to go worship another god aside the one that Inspires Moses?

And why did God told Moses to kill the golden calf worshippers if indeed He (God) allows for freedom of worship and why did Moses ordered that a man be stoned to death for breaking the Sabbath which the Lord God has keep holy?

I will wait ..

The Bible says many things. The Laws of Moses are not the same Laws practiced by new testament Christians. And one thing you guys do not understand about Christians. We do not depend on the Bible for God's revelations. God has not stopped speaking to man so rather than ask what the bible said or what Moses did, ask what has God revealed about a certain matter.
God commanded Abraham to kill his son but today if you see your neighbor about to kill his son, you would call the police. So the question is not what God told Abraham or Moses but what God tells us today. That is the Christian way.

Joshthefirst:
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Denying the truth about both religions won't lead to better tolerance, but only to lies and confusion and chaos.

Tolerance does not mean denying your position. It only means respecting another person with differing views(tolerating).
It means you can respect and love a Muslim as a Christian and vice versa, even if you believe that person is wrong and going to hell.

So your last paragraph was not sound or wise in any way.

#2.

Lukuluku69:


Just so you know, the Muslims won't abandon the Shariah the way the Jews and Christians did with God's Laws and commandments.

When you know this, you will know peace and try to avoid conflict.

It is called an everlasting Law for a reason. Unless you are saying God was bluffing with the "everlasting" part

I beg I wan go chop

That's why we have Boko Haram and other terrorist groups. I have never had a religious conflict with anyone. I am not a religious terrorist.

Lukuluku69:


Oh it need dusting but I am a good student or just an average student? Lol.

See, go back and read up on Abraham Lincoln. He owned slaves. Perhaps he freed them later in accordance with the policy of abolition.

For I know that the major cause of the war his the issue of slave ownership.

The South needs more hands on the farm and for Lands recently seized from the gringos while the the industrial North would have non of that

Abraham Lincoln owned slaves.

Do you mind quoting your source, sir? Or was this revealed to you personally?

tctrills:

The Bible says many things. The Laws of Moses are not the same Laws practiced by new testament Christians. And one thing you guys do not understand about Christians. We do not depend on the Bible for God's revelations. God has not stopped speaking to man so rather than ask what the bible said or what Moses did, ask what has God revealed about a certain matter.
God commanded Abraham to kill his son but today if you see your neighbor about to kill his son, you would call the police. So the question is not what God told Abraham or Moses but what God tells us today. That is the Christian way.

That is the difference between you and us. God knew you will throw away His Law and follow your whims and caprices. He knew as you said that you do not depend on His revealed Words to live your lives and manage your affairs.

On the contrary, the Muslims live and breath the Shari'a.

So really, there should be no arguments. For you the Laws in the Bible is of no consequences. You would rather follow what a fallible man says God told him and not what you believed were inspired word to a Spokesperson of God in His Prophets.

God told Abraham to kill his son and did you read thru his action he was not going to? That shows his willingness to obey and act.

When the sharia says punish, I find it odd that people who are not the culprit or the accused are the one shouting the most.

So, what is God telling us today as you can see that the world is in turmoil

tctrills:

Do you mind quoting your source, sir? Or was this revealed to you personally?

Let me dust up. I will holler you with my source but it has been a while. If I tell you that the last time I very did any serious reading about stuff generally is more than 39 years ago would you believe me?

I know he owned slaves. In fact in hundreds self.

Lukuluku69:


That is the difference between you and us. God knew you will throw away His Law and follow your whims and caprices. He knew as you said that you do not depend on His revealed Words to live your lives and manage your affairs.

On the contrary, the Muslims live and breath the Shari'a.

So really, there should be no arguments. For you the Laws in the Bible is of no consequences. You would rather follow what a fallible man says God told him and not what you believed were inspired word to a Spokesperson of God in His Prophets.

God told Abraham to kill his son and did you read thru his action he was not going to? That shows his willingness to obey and act.

When the sharia says punish, I find it odd that people who are not the culprit or the accused are the one shouting the most.

So, what is God telling us today as you can see that the world is in turmoil

Well, we can discuss religious views and opinions and that is the beauty of freedom. We can agree or disagree. Wouldn't it be nice if all the world had the same privilege? Imagine a world where we don't force or kill others who don't agree with us, where people can air their views and opinions, and where people can change their opinions openly as they come to learn more. That is what you and I enjoy.

The Islamic religion can only be maintained via killing and force. Remove killing and compulsion, add a little bit of human rights and the religion begins to crack.
On the other hand, Christianity is the religion of tolerance and freedom. No Christian is compelled or forced. We are Christians because we love our God not because we would be beheaded if we change our minds. That is the difference.

Lukuluku69:


Let me dust up. I will holler you with my source but it has been a while. If I tell you that the last time I very did any serious reading about stuff generally is more than 39 years ago would you believe me?

I know he owned slaves. In fact in hundreds self.

Until you prove it, It remains false.

Lukuluku69:


Let me dust up. I will holler you with my source but it has been a while. If I tell you that the last time I very did any serious reading about stuff generally is more than 39 years ago would you believe me?

I know he owned slaves. In fact in hundreds self.

Some prominent Americans did indeed own slaves. But Lincoln was an abolishionist.

This doesn't exclude the fact that the abolishionist movement born on the wings of Christianity.

tctrills:

Well, we can discuss religious views and opinions and that is the beauty of freedom. We can agree or disagree. Wouldn't it be nice if all the world had the same privilege? Imagine a world where we don't force or kill others who don't agree with us, where people can air their views and opinions, and where people can change their opinions openly as they come to learn more. That is what you and I enjoy.

The Islamic religion can only be maintained via killing and force. Remove killing and compulsion, add a little bit of human rights and the religion begins to crack.
On the other hand, Christianity is the religion of tolerance and freedom. No Christian is compelled or forced. We are Christians because we love our God not because we would be beheaded if we change our minds. That is the difference.

There is a fundamental you are still not grasping. Or rather you failed to come to terms with

It is this issue of Freedom and Compulsion. Like I said and I will repeat again. In a God's Kingdom, there is no freedom of worship.

Lukuluku69:


There is a fundamental you are still not grasping. Or rather you failed to come to terms with

It is this issue of Freedom and Compulsion. Like I said and I will repeat again. In a God's Kingdom, there is no freedom of worship.

I get it in your God's kingdom, there is no freedom of worship. That is the big difference between you and every other religion and that is the core of the lack of tolerance we talk about. That is what makes Islam, the most intolerant and dangerous religion on earth. Islam is the only religion that would murder you for changing your opinion. You called it the Kingdom of God so let God fight for his Kingdom. God is capable of Killing all those who disagree with him.
If every other religion was like yours, we all would be dead.

tctrills:

I get it in your God's kingdom, there is no freedom of worship. That is the big difference between you and every other religion and that is the core of the lack of tolerance we talk about. That is what makes Islam, the most intolerant and dangerous religion on earth. Islam is the only religion that would murder you for changing your opinion. You called it the Kingdom of God so let God fight for his Kingdom. God is capable of Killing all those who disagree with him.
If every other religion was like yours, we all would be dead.

Still not getting it. Everyone won't die. Only the guilty will be punished. Moses killed the calf worshipers only and the Children of Israel did not die out. The punish may sound harsh and the executioner inhumane, but you can't deny it happened or the commandments came from God.

The same God that inspired Moses is still the God that owns everyone. I repeat in the Kingdom of God (where God's Law is supreme, there is no Freedom of Worship)

It is okay if you guys feel and act as if God made a mistake inspiring those commandments and injuctions.

No matter what you feel about it, it is God's Law and the Muslims are willing are ready to live by it.

So long!

May we all know peace!

Lukuluku69:


Still not getting it. Everyone won't die. Only the guilty will be punished. Moses killed the calf worshipers only and the Children of Israel did not die out. The punish may sound harsh and the executioner inhumane, but you can't deny it happened or the commandments came from God.

The same God that inspired Moses is still the God that owns everyone. I repeat in the Kingdom of God (where God's Law is supreme, there is no Freedom of Worship)

It is okay if you guys feel and act as if God made a mistake inspiring those commandments and injuctions.

No matter what you feel about it, it is God's Law and the Muslims are willing are ready to live by it.

So long!

May we all know peace!

You are not getting it sir. Your religion and beliefs are different from mine. Your God is different from mine.
Jesus Christ the son of God taught us the separation of Church and state.
He taught, Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
He also made it clear, "My kingdom is not of this world."
Jesus Christ was the one that gave Moses the law and when he came, he gave us higher laws.
In the Lord's prayer, we say, thy kingdom come. We understand that there is a separation of power.

tctrills:

You are not getting it sir. Your religion and beliefs are different from mine. Your God is different from mine.
Jesus Christ the son of God taught us the separation of Church and state.
He taught, Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's.
He also made it clear, "My kingdom is not of this world."
Jesus Christ was the one that gave Moses the law and when he came, he gave us higher laws.
In the Lord's prayer, we say, thy kingdom come. We understand that there is a separation of power.

You are right. We follow different path. It shows in our mentality and how we see things but here we are living together as neighbors and country men and women.

Man's Law can't fix things, for Man at best is as a crawling baby

And you are the one not getting it. So you know why? You Christians have taken the words of that Noble soul, twist it to fit into thousands of discenting voices and philosophies. So much so, you guys openly align and support what Jesus Father outrightly condemned.

Yes our philosophy is quite different and that is why Tolerance is key See us as a people that won't change what we hold to be true and as we see you as a people given to changes and can't hold on to what you are commanded.
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The same Jesus that gave Moses the Law, is the same that annul that Law and gave you guys a new one. No problem ..

He also said his Kingdom is not of this world, yet some of you want to rule in the kingdom that is not of Jesus! Abi? No be juju be thaf?

I thought you guys said Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? Why change of mind? He could have come himself the first time instead of sending Moses? Don't you think?

Christians Intolerance and Force In Nigeria

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agadez007

One of the intolerant Christians here. Know this and know Peace

Lukuluku69:


You are right. We follow different path. It shows in our mentality and how we see things but here we are living together as neighbors and country men and women.

Man's Law can't fix things, for Man at best is as a crawling baby

And you are the one not getting it. So you know why? You Christians have taken the words of that Noble soul, twist it to fit into thousands of discenting voices and philosophies. So much so, you guys openly align and support what Jesus Father outrightly condemned.

Yes our philosophy is quite different and that is why Tolerance is key See us as a people that won't change what we hold to be true and as we see you as a people given to changes and can't hold on to what you are commanded.
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The same Jesus that gave Moses the Law, is the same that annul that Law and gave you guys a new one. No problem ..

He also said his Kingdom is not of this world, yet some of you want to rule in the kingdom that is not of Jesus! Abi? No be juju be thaf?

I thought you guys said Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow? Why change of mind? He could have come himself the first time instead of sending Moses? Don't you think?

If you want us to talk about Jesus and Christianity, we would. As for the Muslim law, we have seen how it is fixing things in Northern Nigeria. The northern sharia states are about the poorest and most unsafe places on earth so no the Islamic laws don't work.
Even Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states were very poor and constantly at war in the 1800s and early 1900s. It wasn't Sharia that made them what they are today, It was oil and American companies. Sharia has never improved any nation. If you don't believe, visit Pakistan.

Empiree:
Christians Intolerance and Force In Nigeria

Intolerance and force ke? Are you serious?

Empiree:
Lopsided Journalism In Nigeria

Is Ipob a Christian group? Did the article tell you that those northerners were Muslims?
You guys need to learn.
Ipob is a regional group just like the Fulani herdsmen.
But Boko Haram is a religious group. The difference is that Ipob kills for political reasons while Boko Haram kills for the Muslim God.

tctrills:

If you want us to talk about Jesus and Christianity, we would. As for the Muslim law, we have seen how it is fixing things in Northern Nigeria. The northern sharia states are about the poorest and most unsafe places on earth so no the Islamic laws don't work.
Even Saudi Arabia and the other gulf states were very poor and constantly at war in the 1800s and early 1900s. It wasn't Sharia that made them what they are today, It was oil and American companies. Sharia has never improved any nation. If you don't believe, visit Pakistan.

We can talk about anything if you so wish.

The Sharia is not set up to make you "Rich" as you guys think. God blesses Nations and Individuals as He Wills. That is why you will see "blessings/riches" with people who seemingly worship Woods and Images.

With All the Blessings God promised Israel (Jacob) he had to soujourn and go look for Food in Egypt.

Shari'a purpose is not not build houses and wear find garments it is to regulate the affars of men.

I know you guys have been so bombarded with " Blessings/Riches" that you failed to see beyond that. To you, once you see Material stuff, You equate it to Blessings and development.

If you put up the example of Pakistan as being backward and underdeveloped because they are Muslims and practice Sharia, then I guess you have never heard of the South of America then, they are majorly Christians, why are they poor also?

And stop talking about Wars, Christians and people of Christians extraction have warred and killed more in the last 2,000 years

Presently, Russia and Ukraine are killing each other it will be good if you check these Countries ( Russia/Ukraine) demography by Religion.

And also on Sharia, please compare the Crime Rate in a Sharia Compliant Nation/s with your Christians Society. When you are done, publish your findings for Nairaland