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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by LogicBomb8: 12:20am On Aug 06, 2022
TechtraGadgets:


What stupid freedom? Taiwan is and has always been a part of China. No country in the world, including the US, recognises Taiwan as an independent country.

The US suddenly has interest in a sovereign Taiwan because most of the chips used in Smartphones and modern cars come from TSMC in Taiwan.

Pull your head out of the butthole of woke american narcissists like Pelosi and the American media.

Side note, Sri Lanka destroyed it's economy by buying into the bullshit climate change gospel from the west. Hopefully, Africa doesn't make the same mistake.
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Karnice600: 2:25am On Aug 06, 2022
jetpack:
America is an Economic World power but you see that military strength? Other countries have caught up.

Wey you for just keep kwayet wakka pass.
Just open mouth waah, disgracing the committee of brothers. Must you talk?
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Karnice600: 2:34am On Aug 06, 2022
AlphaTaikun:

The Chinese have an insidious territorial and expansionist agenda aside from Taiwan.

The world must keep a close watch to prevent the Chinese from becoming a threat to neghbors and the rest of mankind!
Na so joor. Correct guy. I'm sure Wisdom runs in your family. It is clear...meanwhile some other people here seem to be genetically stupid.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Karnice600: 2:43am On Aug 06, 2022
sagitariusbaby:
Could you please throw more light on how Sri Lanka destroyed her economy because of climate change?
Don't waste your time on that boy. He's been sold out to ''aignorance''(arrogance + ignorance)

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Daum: 3:10am On Aug 06, 2022
Thank God we don't have China as a neighbor. The Chinese are more domineering than the Americans. The Americans know how to make deals. Americans can even make deal with the devil they don't mind. China on the other hand just uses it's numbers to intimidate others. Like these guys are 1.4 billion. They have an army of 2 million. They have the numbers. High numbers. They have grown in the space of 40 years like no other nation has grown. During the leadership of Chairman Mao, China was very poor. They had a disastrous leap forward and cultural revolution that destroyed their identity. But like I said, the Americans can make deal with anyone...When China opened up to a free market system which is against the principles of Karl Marx to be sincere, it was America and her allies who came in with the big bag to invest. They saw cheap labor and took advantage of it.... The Chinese used that opportunity to lift over 300 milion people out of poverty. That makes me laugh when I see so many anti western comments...you ask yourself who has Russia lifted. The Russians couldn't even help China up. The Americans first helped the Chinese against the Japanese and then helped the Chinese again in their economic miracle. Is capitalism and free market not beautiful...it built the power houses in South Korea and Japan. Singapore and Hong Kong....See how it is revolutionizing the Taiwanese economy.

I think China should just find a way to maintain the status quo and get a leader who is less assertive over his Taiwan claims. They should lure in the Taiwanese that's all. It's foolish shooting your own people and destroying your own economy and lives of people to prove a point that you're big. Yes the world knows you're big. We respect you.... it would be foolish to let the Americans cause another war between you and your kins...

Well like all dictatorships they're kin on brutality. If they could shoot their own students in Tianamen, they can shoot dissident Taiwanese.

The problem with Taiwan are the new generation who have no idea what china is. They don't even care, to them all their lives have been in Taiwan. They're free to travel and do anything they want. They see no reason why they should even go back to the mainland. Those guys are the problem.

I wish for peace between them.
Till then
America will be a deterrent to China for now..

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by tishbite42: 7:08am On Aug 06, 2022
Parkji:

MY FAR I DNT LIKE AMERICA DUE TO SOO MANY REASONS BT TRUH MUST BE TOLD. THERE IS NO WAY AMERICA IS DECLARING NO FLY ZONE IN UKRAINE.
WHY SHOULD AMERICA DECLARE A NO FLY ZONE IN UKRAINE ?
Why shouldn't they?!
They declared it in Iraq and Libya. Who are they afraid of in Ukraine?!
There are levels to this thing.
If China attacks Taiwan tomorrow, nothing will happen.
Take it or leave it.
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by martineverest(m): 7:18am On Aug 06, 2022
TechtraGadgets:


And the west cannot survive without cheap Chinese labor. They also cannot survive without Taiwanese tech, consequently China's tech
lol...they are replacing cheap Chinese labours with Indins and Vietnameses

China needs the West more than the West need china

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Kingcalls: 7:54am On Aug 06, 2022
Offpointng:


Even if they offer Mexico a trillion dollars he'll not try that shit


America fought Cuba back in the 60s cos the aligned with USSR... America somehow found a way to dismantle USSR, during the cold War...

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Offpointng: 8:03am On Aug 06, 2022
Kingcalls:



America fought Cuba back in the 60s cos the aligned with USSR... America somehow found a way to dismantle USSR, during the cold War...

Now you see why Mexico will not even dare
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by seleroms2(m): 8:25am On Aug 06, 2022
VEHINTOLAR:
Omo !,Pelosi arrived in Taiwan in some grand styles;the aircraft with which she was flown in was escorted by a B2 Bomber and arrays of F35s fighter jets and with those badass Destroyers patrolling the sea ! It was a raw show of power by the United States Of America !

That video you watched was misleading. It was from a joint military operation with US and Japan

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by VEHINTOLAR: 8:28am On Aug 06, 2022
seleroms2:
That video you watched was misleading. It was from a joint military operation with US and Japan

How did you know that it was the video you're talking about here that I watched ?
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by seleroms2(m): 9:39am On Aug 06, 2022
I am 100 percent sure it's the video and I have had to correct this misconception in several forums

The video is from the recently concluded joint south Korea, Japan and US military exercises and shows the US carrier task force group in parade formation.

There's indeed a B1 Lancer long range strategic bomber leading the formation of the air wing parade. Closely escorting the B1 are F35C fighters.

The civilian looking aircraft in the 2nd wave that could be mistaken for the speaker's aircraft is an AWACs from the carrier airwing escorted by F15C fighting eagle fighters

Note that there are 2nos aircraft carriers in the video, the only dual deployment of carrier groups in the past 12 months in the joint exercises mentioned above.

Normally, carrier task force groups have thousands of miles separating them as their geographic AORs are widely dispersed.

2ndly, in standard "alert" formation or combat stations, the surface ships of a carrier group can be dispersed well over 30-40km, the subsurface craft well in excess of 70km ahead of behind on flanking patrols and the CAG or combat air group would be flying 24/7 CAPs or combat air patrols in rotations of 4 fighters and 1 AWACs airborne and covering a 300km radius of control around the carrier group �

Take note that the journey of her flight wasn't telivised until the plane landed







squote author=VEHINTOLAR post=115431086]

How did you know that it was the video you're talking about here that I watched ?[/quote]

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Kingcalls: 9:47am On Aug 06, 2022
Offpointng:


Now you see why Mexico will not even dare

So y cant America respect other regions ??
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by goodheart01: 9:59am On Aug 06, 2022
Lovenorth:
I like the way China is approaching US, this Taiwan so-called president should be very careful with the most powerful country on earth. China has the ability to smoke them out in less than an hour.

China most powerful country on earth? I’m not surprised this is coming from a Fulani bandit like you

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Brunosamel(m): 10:09am On Aug 06, 2022
IbomFinest:
Or history student... Wheldon o grin
Abegi talk bout topic you have vast knowledge of not just any topic
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Offpointng: 10:17am On Aug 06, 2022
Kingcalls:


So y cant America respect other regions ??

Trying to deliver us from the communist who yall think are better compared to the West

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by smallrincowis16(m): 11:00am On Aug 06, 2022
bestman09:
grin
China should rest abeg. Taiwan should be allowed to rule their fatherland. Is it by force?


Even Pelosi no even send them. She know say dem go cool down after all the gra gra

Did you say the same for dombass??
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by VEHINTOLAR: 11:11am On Aug 06, 2022
seleroms2:
I am 100 percent sure it's the video and I have had to correct this misconception in several forums

The video is from the recently concluded joint south Korea, Japan and US military exercises and shows the US carrier task force group in parade formation.

There's indeed a B1 Lancer long range strategic bomber leading the formation of the air wing parade. Closely escorting the B1 are F35C fighters.

The civilian looking aircraft in the 2nd wave that could be mistaken for the speaker's aircraft is an AWACs from the carrier airwing escorted by F15C fighting eagle fighters

Note that there are 2nos aircraft carriers in the video, the only dual deployment of carrier groups in the past 12 months in the joint exercises mentioned above.

Normally, carrier task force groups have thousands of miles separating them as their geographic AORs are widely dispersed.

2ndly, in standard "alert" formation or combat stations, the surface ships of a carrier group can be dispersed well over 30-40km, the subsurface craft well in excess of 70km ahead of behind on flanking patrols and the CAG or combat air group would be flying 24/7 CAPs or combat air patrols in rotations of 4 fighters and 1 AWACs airborne and covering a 300km radius of control around the carrier group �

Take note that the journey of her flight wasn't telivised until the plane landed







squote author=VEHINTOLAR post=115431086]

How did you know that it was the video you're talking about here that I watched ?
It's okay,you seem to know what you're saying. Many thanks for the detailed analysis.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Xiaohei(m): 12:14pm On Aug 06, 2022
sonofElElyon:


Nope. Fact.. USA would never risk a nuclear war with China because of Taiwan as it wouldn't with Russia for Ukraine

The Ukrainian / Russia crisis is radically different from the US - Taiwan agreements. The US. has an agreement with Taiwan to defend it in times of war. Interestingly, The US. will gladly welcome a war with China anytime, any day because they’ll be bipartisan support for the war since majority of both the Republican and Democratic Party agree China is a stronger threat (financially and militarily ) than any other country on earth. Similarly, America will welcome the war because it’ll allow it to slow down China’s economic growth. May peace prevail.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Kingcalls: 12:49pm On Aug 06, 2022
Offpointng:


Trying to deliver us from the communist who yall think are better compared to the West

So u cant see what democracy is doing?? Democracy is a manipulative system that takes advantage of the system
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by LogicBomb8: 1:07pm On Aug 06, 2022
Karnice600:


Wey you for just keep kwayet wakka pass.
Just open mouth waah, disgracing the committee of brothers. Must you talk?
nairaland abeg no ki us what is dis?
Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by sonofElElyon: 2:32pm On Aug 06, 2022
Xiaohei:


The Ukrainian / Russia crisis is radically different from the US - Taiwan agreements. The US. has an agreement with Taiwan to defend it in times of war. Interestingly, The US. will gladly welcome a war with China anytime, any day because they’ll be bipartisan support for the war since majority of both the Republican and Democratic Party agree China is a stronger threat (financially and militarily ) than any other country in the world. Similarly, America will welcome the war because it’ll allow it to slow down China’s economic growth. May peace prevail.

You forget that China is a nuclear power with capacity to hit mainland USA

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Xiaohei(m): 4:45pm On Aug 06, 2022
sonofElElyon:


You forget that China is a nuclear power with capacity to hit mainland USA

Of course I’m aware of that. And don’t forget the US. can hit China from either Japan or South Korea. And do not forget the American military bases in Guam! May peace prevail because ordinary Chinese folks do not want wars.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Anuchauc: 6:13pm On Aug 06, 2022
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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by TechtraGadgets: 8:48pm On Aug 06, 2022
Amayabor1:


Let's be clear on certain things so we don't start going back and forth.

You: No Country in the world recognises Taiwan as an independent country.

Me: This is a lie. There are countries in the world that recognises Taiwan as an independent/ sovereign nation and such countries have OFFICIAL diplomatic relations with Taiwan. This is the fact!

You: There has always been skirmishes about who controls the straits in the south china sea.

Me: When you say straits, i guess you mean the Taiwan straits. Well, there has never been any skirmishes about who controls the Taiwan straits. While China claims ownership of the strait (same way it claims ownership of almost all of the south china sea), the US has always stated that the Taiwan strait and most of the SCS that china claims as it's own are international waters. This is why the US regularly flies fighter jets and sails warships through the Taiwan strait to buttress to china that the Taiwan strait and most of the SCS are international waters. A country can't claim an expansive body of water because it bothers the sea. The Taiwan strait connects the south china sea to the east china sea making it one of the busiest trading route in the world. The US and other right thinking nations will never allow China to claim all of the Taiwan strait and most of the SCS as it's own! Never!

You: The US interest in an independent, Sovereign Taiwan has grown due to Taiwan's TSMC

Me: Lol. You don't even know what you are saying. what defines an independent/Sovereign state? Taiwan governs it's own affairs, elect it's own leaders, have a standing military, have it's own currency. List the characteristics of an independent/sovereogn nation and tell me the one Taiwan lacks.

US still maintains a policy of "strategic ambiquity" as it relates to Taiwan.

So, your statement that the US interest for an independent, Sovereign Taiwan doesn't even make sense.

You: China has made dollars of investment in Africa and Asia.

Me: China hasn't done half of what the US has done in this aspect. It's even possible that you have been a beneficiary of US aid to Nigeria. The US is the biggest single donor to agencies like UNICEF, WHO etc. There are several USAID projects in Nigeria and all over Africa.

You:

Which countries recognizes China and Taiwan as two separate countries? And does the US recognize Taiwan as a separate country?

Let's begin there

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Amayabor1: 9:12pm On Aug 06, 2022
TechtraGadgets:


Which countries recognizes China and Taiwan as two separate countries? And does the US recognize Taiwan as a separate country?

Let's begin there

Your question is funny man. The internet is there for you to learn. There are countries that recognise Taiwan as an independent country. simple and short.

The US doesn't recognise Taiwan as an independent country.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by TechtraGadgets: 10:07pm On Aug 06, 2022
Amayabor1:


Your question is funny man. The internet is there for you to learn. There are countries that recognise Taiwan as an independent country. simple and short.

The US doesn't recognise Taiwan as an independent country.

You can't name the countries. 13 countries recognize Taiwan as governing all of China, not as an independent country separate from China. 180 recognize PRC as governing all of China including Taiwan.

My question is not funny.

Careless narcissists like Pelosi will cause the next major war not Xi Jinping. Pelosi achieved nothing, zero!, by going to Taiwan, except protecting her fragile ego

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by Amayabor1: 7:08am On Aug 07, 2022
TechtraGadgets:


You can't name the countries. 13 countries recognize Taiwan as governing all of China, not as an independent country separate from China. 180 recognize PRC as governing all of China including Taiwan.

My question is not funny.

Careless narcissists like Pelosi will cause the next major war not Xi Jinping. Pelosi achieved nothing, zero!, by going to Taiwan, except protecting her fragile ego

That is not true. There are some things you need to understand;


1. In times past, the government of Taiwan accepted the one china principle (that China is one country and that the government of the republic of china (Taiwan) is the legitimate govt of the whole of china (including Taiwan, mainland china, macau, hong kong). That was in the past. Currently, the government of Taiwan no longer support the one china principle. Instead, they have stated severally that China and Taiwan are seperate, independent countries.

2. The creation and continuity of a state is a not a legal question. Declarations and recognition by other states cannot have any impact on their existence. According to the declaratory theory of recognition, the recognition of third states are not a requirement for being a state. So, whether a country recognises Taiwan as independent or not has little or no significance.

Under the International Law, Article 1 of the Montevideo Conference, 1933 defines the state as a person and lays down following essentials that an entity should possess in order to acquire recognition as a state;

A. must possess a permanent population,
B. A defined territory
C. A government, and
D. The capacity to conduct international relations.

Taiwan fulfills all the criteria.


3. The countries that recognise Taiwan recognize it as an INDEPENDENT COUNTRY (except you are telling me that you don't know what an independent country is). Moreover, like i have pointed out, statehood doesn't rely on recognition.

It is for this reason that china earnestly want to bring Taiwan under it's rule, because without that, Taiwan will continue to operate as an independent, sovereign State!

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by 1stGenAmerican(f): 10:29am On Aug 07, 2022
Offpointng:


Now you see why Mexico will not even dare

What a joke, right? Mexico is seeking US assistance in order to help the Mexican Army win the losing battle with the cartels so these guys make no sense.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by fxexperts: 2:38pm On Aug 07, 2022
Goddson:


What kind of gibberish are you spewing?
It seems you find so much joy in ignorance and being dumb…

First of all what’s your own understanding of being woke? You said something like that from the initial..
You seem to have a slave mentality with every statement you have made. I guess your ultimate goal in life is American visa that’s why you are basking in ignorance and saying what you don’t know.

We are here trying to enlighten and emancipate the likes of you from mental slavery but a slave will always be a slave no matter what.

Remember I told you in one of my reply to you that you are a child and you don’t know history, if you did you won’t be messaging all this gibberish.

“You enslave a man by erasing his history”…

“I would rather die standing than live on my knees”… to you reverse is the case.

Besides you said you have dealings with Americans, Europeans and Chinese… hmm in this faceless forum, na wa ooo.

Just go back to being a good boy that you are living under your parents roof and enjoy watch your CNN and other western propaganda channels.









If I say this guy is still a kid he will not believe. Keep going about your normal line of delivery from slavery rubbish talk. You for one doesn't even know what slavery is about. Because your ancestors where taken as slaves mean you still have to carry the slave tag on your forehead, then by all means suit yourself. You are a slave to the west, but I am not, and like I said I have had face to face dealings with American's and Europeans on many occasion. Don't think because i am on a faceless forum with you mean I am like you or will ever be like you. God forbid. You are still obviously a kid with the slavery mentality wrap around your forward, that is why you are still thinking you have to fight to break away from your chains of slavery. You know nothing about life and human psychology, I doubt if you are even educated.

You fill your heart with hate and wish evil on the west is that not witchcraft in action, all because you want to break your chain slavery, because you think of yourself as a slave, and the only way to get ride of your chains is to change from one slave master (West) to another(Asia). This will be my last reply to you. Stop harboring such mentality it will only destroy you. Peace.

ike007:


The WARSAW PACT was created because of the threat of the USA and her imperialistic allies o(NATO). Speaking of the threats and bullying, didn't the Ukrainian government harbour Nazism and their sympathizers who killed and millage Russian speaking people in Ukraine. America has been on Russian asses since 1948.
Even speaking of bullying ask the Southern Americans wetin dem dey see for America hand. Guy America is too troublesome

A reasonable reply. But why didn't Russia use diplomacy and negotiation to win Ukraine over and China Negotiation to win Win Taiwan over. Why just the show of force. And trust me these countries are signing up to be members of NATO because of the fact they cannot trust Russia and China. Don't be the big bad neighbor next door and expect all your neighbors to love you. no you only get what you give out.

Goddson:


Bro don’t waste your time with that guy, he is very ignorant…
Says the ignorant one.

tishbite42:

Why shouldn't they?!
They declared it in Iraq and Libya. Who are they afraid of in Ukraine?!
There are levels to this thing.
If China attacks Taiwan tomorrow, nothing will happen.
Take it or leave it.
Why has God not killed the devil yet. Because in trial and tribulation people tend to seek their savior and master. If Russia is defeated today. Then there will be no need for NATO anymore. no country will sign up for that shit. Russians are the ones making NATO to grow more in numbers. Same reason why you had pay extra to employ local Vigilante in your area due to increase in criminal activities in your area. Know this and know peace.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by tishbite42: 3:20pm On Aug 07, 2022
Parkji:

MY FAR I DNT LIKE AMERICA DUE TO SOO MANY REASONS BT TRUH MUST BE TOLD. THERE IS NO WAY AMERICA IS DECLARING NO FLY ZONE IN UKRAINE.
WHY SHOULD AMERICA DECLARE A NO FLY ZONE IN UKRAINE ?
Simple answer to your question: they can't.
I know that and you know that.

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Re: Taiwan Visit: China Halts Climate, Military Ties With US; Sanctions Pelosi by tishbite42: 3:23pm On Aug 07, 2022
fxexperts:


If I say this guy is still a kid he will not believe. Keep going about your normal line of delivery from slavery rubbish talk. You for one doesn't even know what slavery is about. Because your ancestors where taken as slaves mean you still have to carry the slave tag on your forehead, then by all means suit yourself. You are a slave to the west, but I am not, and like I said I have had face to face dealings with American's and Europeans on many occasion. Don't think because i am on a faceless forum with you mean I am like you or will ever be like you. God forbid. You are still obviously a kid with the slavery mentality wrap around your forward, that is why you are still thinking you have to fight to break away from your chains of slavery. You know nothing about life and human psychology, I doubt if you are even educated.

You fill your heart with hate and wish evil on the west is that not witchcraft in action, all because you want to break your chain slavery, because you think of yourself as a slave, and the only way to get ride of your chains is to change from one slave master (West) to another(Asia). This will be my last reply to you. Stop harboring such mentality it will only destroy you. Peace.



A reasonable reply. But why didn't Russia use diplomacy and negotiation to win Ukraine over and China Negotiation to win Win Taiwan over. Why just the show of force. And trust me these countries are signing up to be members of NATO because of the fact they cannot trust Russia and China. Don't be the big bad neighbor next door and expect all your neighbors to love you. no you only get what you give out.

Says the ignorant one.


Why has God not killed the devil yet. Because in trial and tribulation people tend to seek their savior and master. If Russia is defeated today. Then there will be no need for NATO anymore. no country will sign up for that shit. Russians are the ones making NATO to grow more in numbers. Same reason why you had pay extra to employ local Vigilante in your area due to increase in criminal activities in your area. Know this and know peace.

Forget your yarnings, the goal of US/NATO is to destroy Russia inorder to create a unipolar world but they can't.

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