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Janosky:
Your claim is NOT true. I have 5 questions for you: Is Greek 1510 Greek 2316 the same last words @ John 1:1 & Acts 28:6?
What are the meanings of Greek 2316? In your own Bible ,anywhere Greek 2316 is not referring to the Almighty how is Greek 2316 rendered?
What is correct rendition of Greek 2316 @ John 10:33 ? Would John contradict himself @ John 10:33 & John 1:1? Oga, please respond. We must check something.

Kobojunkie:
1. Never! I have never been a violent individual to begin with so what you describe is ridiculous reasoning to me.

As for someone stealing my tire and I in turn give my car to the same, I suggest you carefully read what is written there in Matthew 5 vs 38 - 48 so you clearly understand how what you have there makes no sense as far as what is in fact written.

2. You have never actually read the Gospel for yourself to begin with is the reason why not only do you believe it full of contradictions, you also believe Jesus Christ is a liar and instead the idea of Him you eat of from your pastors and mogs is the correct Jesus Christ instead. How are you any different from the other church/assembly groups you battle here?

3. God interferes in human affairs? You desperately seek to rationalize that which is obviously antiChrist by any means you can, don't you?

So far you have conveniently thrown Jesus Christ under the bus by claiming His teachings are contradictory, now you plan to rope God into proclaiming your churches are of Jesus Christ because God interferes in human affairs?

Kobojunkie:
I said stop spamming me with what is your bullsheet argument abeg!

PoliteActivist:
I hope I'm not dealing with a person with mental ish.

1. Since you want it literally, when was the last time you were slapped and you turned the other vheek?? When was the last time someone forced you to walk a mile and you walked two,, or sue for you shirt and you also gave him your jacket?! Which of the signs in Mark do you exhibit as a believer??

2. Stop being obtuse. There are clearly obvious ontradictions in some things WRITTEN (we don't know what was actually said - we were not there). Please don't confuse the two

3) Do you don't believe God interferes in human affairs. You can't be serious. That's what the whole Bible is about

Kobojunkie:
Mentally ill individuals happen to be among some of the most intelligent beings on the planet if you are not already aware of that. So attempting to use that in a disparaging manner against my person speaks tons of your level of intelligence there.

1. I would rather want to know what all these bullsheet scenarios you keep posting have to do with anything. Are you in some way attempting to suggest that my personal choices should have some impact on whether the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the one who you pretend is also your savior, should be obeyed?

2. I have warned you before that your confusion clearly isn't mine. Point out at least one of the contradictions you claim exists within the teachings of Jesus Christ so we go from there.

3. Christian logic 101! God is Sovereign. Also, God does not lie and neither does He change His mind. He will never bend His law, Jesus Christ in other to make His enemies His friends.

Kobojunkie:
I said stop spamming me with what is your bullsheet argument abeg!

Janosky:
Your claim is NOT true.
Polytheist well done!
Did you kobojunkie see the same Greek 1510 Greek 2316 in the last words (English version of John 1:1 & Acts 28:6/ last sentence of Greek John1:1 & Acts 28:6?
5 questions for you: Is Greek 1510 Greek 2316 the same last words @ John 1:1 & Acts 28:6?
What are the meanings of Greek 2316? In your own Bible ,anywhere Greek 2316 is not referring to the Almighty how is Greek 2316 rendered?
What is correct rendition of Greek 2316 @ John 10:33 ? Would John contradict himself @ John 10:33 & John 1:1? Oga, please respond. We must check something.

Oga, continue to dodge the 5 questions or expose your GIBBERISH.

Kobojunkie:
Look.... we have been around this block several times now, and I remember making it clear to you even then. I don't subscribe to any of your Churchian or assembly hall doctrines. Kapish!

So, this argument you are trying to drag me into is nothing but bullsheet to me. The English interpretation clearly explains who Jesus Christ is in relation to God. So, spare me the bullsheet abeg!

Kobojunkie:
Mentally ill individuals happen to be among some of the most intelligent beings on the planet if you are not already aware of that. So attempting to use that in a disparaging manner against my person speaks tons of your level of intelligence there.

1. I would rather want to know what all these bullsheet scenarios you keep posting have to do with anything. Are you in some way attempting to suggest that my personal choices should have some impact on whether the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, the one who you pretend is also your savior, should be obeyed?

2. I have warned you before that your confusion clearly isn't mine. Point out at least one of the contradictions you claim exists within the teachings of Jesus Christ so we go from there.

3. Christian logic 101! God is Sovereign. Also, God does not lie and neither does He change His mind. He will never bend His law, Jesus Christ in other to make His enemies His friends.

Kobojunkie:
Look.... we have been around this block several times now, and I remember making it clear to you even then. I don't subscribe to any of your Churchian or assembly hall doctrines. Kapish!

So, this argument you are trying to drag me into is nothing but bullsheet to me. The English interpretation clearly explains who Jesus Christ is in relation to God. So, spare me the bullsheet abeg!

PoliteActivist:
So it's confirmed, I'm dealing with a person with mental ish. No stigma about it, it's just an illness.
1. It is important to hear you say YOU keep these commandments you've been harping on and when. So far you've refused, which tells us all we need to know!

2. These are things written down and translated by PROPLE and there are contradictions. I've already given you the one about with us/against us.
Here are more:

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every man sin?
Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:

Who will bear whose burden?
Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)

How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?
Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)

Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days , (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)

Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?
They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)


3) You are sounding confused again.
Does God interferes in Human affairs? Yes!
Do you agree?

Kobojunkie:
2. I have warned you before that your confusion clearly isn't mine. Point out at least one of the contradictions you claim exists within the teachings of Jesus Christ so we go from there.

Kobojunkie:
I have nothing but respect for the mentally ill in society. So whatever you have against them is all you.

1. So, telling you I keep all of His commandments does not immediately inform you that even that commandment which you are obviously having a hard time parsing, I also keep?

2. What in the world is this for Pete's sake? Above is what I asked, and notice how, in your attempt to digest what is your entire bible at once, you have only succeeded in winding yourself up tight in what is a ball of confusion?

Please repost only the contradictions found within the teachings of Jesus Christ and then we go from there.

3. Do You mean the meaning of the statement "God is sovereign" is lost to you or something?

PoliteActivist:
How can having a headache be basis for stigma or disrespect? It's just an illness. So is mental ish

1. You been asked to give times when you obeyed those specific commandments. Nothing

2. See below. This is the 3rd time you are being told same thing. Mental ish

3. Do you agree that God interferes on human affairs?
A simple and pointed question

Kobojunkie:
You dare to compare mental illness to a mere headache? WOW!

1. When I obeyed them? I obey them all every moment of my every day. What else does it mean to live one's life in continuous submission and obedience of Jesus Christ's teachings and commandments, a life live by faith?

2 & 3. What does it mean to state instead that God is soverign?

PoliteActivist:
They are both ILLNESSES. There are no basis for disrespect unless you are an ignoramus

1. Give instances when someone slapped you and you turned the other cheek; when someone sued for your land (shirt) and you also gave them your house(jacket); someone forced you to work one extra day without pay (one mile(, and you worked two for them (two miles)

2. You've conceded this

3. I don't know. Tell me

Kobojunkie:
2. Conceded what?

3. God is sovereign means nothing happens without His consent and He causes it all, both good and evil, for work together for the good of those who belong to Him.

PoliteActivist:
2. Existence of contradictions: example Mathew 12:30 contradicts Mark 9:40
3. So you then agree that there is God's hand in Churches of Christ flourishing and thriving

29 Whoever wants to enter a strong man’s house and steal his things must first tie him up. Then they can steal the things from his house.
30 Whoever is not with me is against me. And anyone who does not work with me is working against me. - Matthew 12 vs 29 -30

39 Jesus said, “Don’t stop him. Whoever uses my name to do powerful things will not soon say bad things about me.
40 Whoever is not against us is with us.
41 I can assure you that anyone who helps you by giving you a drink of water because you belong to the Messiah will definitely get a reward. - Mark 9 vs 40

PoliteActivist:
Diversion what? What did I divert?? You were asked pointed questions and you couldn't answer because you know the honest answer negates your thesis

Kobojunkie:
2. Can you please explain exactly how those two verses are contradictory?
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I don't see how you see a contradiction where there obviously isn't any.
2. Again, there is only one Church which belongs to Jesus Christ and it consists only of those who live their lives in continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - a Church built by Jesus Christ Himself. All your churches- churches of men- however, are no different from the other industries of this world in their foundation and makeup. So, their flourishing and thriving has to do with the ideas and ways of men and not God. God however has complete sovereignty over men and their dealings and as such no matter what your churches, along with all the other businesses of men, God's Will will be done.

PoliteActivist:
2. Remember, these are things written by.men (BY MEN!) as things Christ said:
a) if you are not with me you are against me (even if you are not actively working against me)
b) If you are not actively working against me you are with me, you are NOT against me.
a) Plan for tomorrow. Before you build, plan in advance so you don't run out of money before you finish.
b) Take no heed of tomorrow. Live for today, Trust that tomorrow's needs will be supplied when tomorrow comes.

3) Christ said that inauthentic messiahs and their followings would eventually disappear. Which would mean that what would survive and endure and thrive is that which is acceptable to God - they may all be of varying doctrinal minutae but they are all part of the Kingdom.

Kobojunkie:
2. This is why I suggest persons ought to maybe take a course in logical reasoning before attempting Jesus Christ.

■ The teachings of Jesus Christ describe two categories of people in the world. The wheat, those who are FOR Jesus Christ - Friends- or those who do the Will of God, and then the weeds, those who do not do as Jesus Christ commands as they are AGAINST Jesus Christ - Enemies.

What those two verses are instead saying is thus.
▪︎ Those who are AGAINST Jesus Christ are His enemies. - Matthew 12 vs 30a
▪︎Those who are (not AGAINST) FOR Jesus Christ are His friends. - Mark 9 vs 40
▪︎Those who do not do the work that Jesus Christ does are His Enemies. - Matthew 12 vs 30b

■ As for the second selection, please be sure to include where these assertions come from as context is King when dealing with that written in scripture.

3. The statement in bold is disconnected from reality of God's Truth given that Jesus Christ made it abundantly clear in His parables that both the wheat and the weeds will be allowed to survive, endure and thrive until the time of the Harvest when Jesus Christ returns.

Look, open your mind to accept what is written and abandon all these false ideas which don't line up with reality of God's Truth in any way.

PoliteActivist:
2. You don't need a course in reasoning, unless u r slow:
One statement says: if you are minding your business but not actively working against me, you are against me.
The other statement says : if you are minding your business but not actively working against me, you are for me.

The second example: one statement says plan ahead so you'll have enough. The other says don't plan ahead, what you need will be provided when the time comes.
3. Many "messiahs" appeared in time of Christ (see below). He did say that time would tell who was the true Messiah.
Sure enough, all those messiahs eventually faded away. They didn't thrive until Harvest!
Also he was talking to and about people alive. Generations have lived and died since then.
Finally, I leave you with this:
Someone fed you a corrupted form of Christ’s message. EVERYTHING TAKEN TOGETHER, you'll know Christ was really about LOVE, COMPASSION, FIRGIVENESS, and such. It was not about laws and rituals. That's why the bar was placed so high, so you can't law yourself into salvation. Which is why you had to LIE that you turn the other cheek, and give your coat also, and walk two miles. Human beings don't do that. And anyone who says he routinely does that is either LYING or he is nuts!
Nice chatting withcha. Bye bye

25 Many people were travelling with Jesus. He said to them
26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life!
27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower.
28 “If you wanted to build a building, you would first sit down and decide how much it would cost. You must see if you have enough money to finish the job.
29 If you don’t do that, you might begin the work, but you would not be able to finish. And if you could not finish it, everyone would laugh at you.
30 They would say, ‘This man began to build, but he was not able to finish.’
31 “If a king is going to fight against another king, first he will sit down and plan. If he has only 10,000 men, he will try to decide if he is able to defeat the other king who has 20,000 men.
32 If he thinks he cannot defeat the other king, he will send some men to ask for peace while that king’s army is still far away.
33 “It is the same for each of you. You must leave everything you have to follow me. If not, you cannot be my follower. - Luke 14 vs 25 - 33

Kobojunkie:
Nevertheless, I recommend you take the class because your approach to what is Christian Logic here is
appalling at best. I took the course back in college and I can tell you that it opened my mind to better processing reasoning for it.

2. There is no such thing as "minding your business" where it regards the Kingdom of God. Again, As Jesus Christ clearly explained both in Parable and in clear speech, in the Kingdom of God, you are either Wheat or Tare; you are either Friend or Enemy; you are either FOR or AGAINST. There is no in-between.

As for the second statement, which I suspect you lifted from Luke 14, please endeavour to open your eyes and mind when you ever get around to in fact reading through the teachings of Jesus Christ of your own rather than having your pastors and mogs feed you their vomit at the end of the day. There is no contradiction to be found in this passage as Jesus Christ clearly warns here that one should carefully count the cost before deciding whether to become born-again - enter into the Kingdom of God or not. It does not say what you claim. Instead, He tells you to consider whether it is worth it for you to believe in Him or not, and for good reason since it is only those who are born-again that Heaven or Hell awaits at the end.

3. Stop deluding yourself with these meaningless claims and focus on the Truth as revealed by Jesus Christ. The time of Harvest is the end when Jesus Christ returns to separate the Wheat from the Tares. And until that time, false prophets, false teachers and even false messiahs, along with their many church businesses in this world will continue to pop up and fill the place. That is what weeds do. They will continue to proliferate until the time of Harvest... that is what Jesus Christ taught His followers, so it is meaningless to say because the weeds thrive means they are of God. Nonsense!

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As for your claim, Jesus Christ is not love, compassion and forgiveness, since He only loves those who obey Him, those who love Him, - John 13 vs 1 & John 15 vs 9 - 11 & John 14 vs 15 - 20 - and He only forgives those who forgive others - Matthew 6 vs 9 - 15. He told you all this over 2000 years ago, but you refuse to pay attention to Him because you would rather assert your own will over that of God's in all things. The reason His teachings seem full of contradictions and confusion to you is that you refuse to accept them even though you continue to claim with your mouths that you believe Him.

Jesus Christ told you that His salvation is for those who believe, and also stand faithful till the end, but you conveniently pick only what you deem fit from His teachings while discarding the rest thinking what you have in the end is all of Jesus Christ. All you have is an idol that you conclude works best for you apart from that which God has given, and better hope that that idol of yours has its own Heaven waiting conveniently waiting for you at the end of the road because God is never going to lower His standard even for those He regards as weeds/Tares.

If you are wise, you will go back through this thread to see how, in all, all I have asserted has been that taught by Jesus Christ, the same contained in the scripture you claim you hold dear, yet every single point you have carefully found ways to Him at all cost. Does that seem to you like something one whose life is submitted to Jesus Christ would rationally do?

PoliteActivist:
1. But my good brother, you are NOT doing the commandments either, PLUS you are LYING about it.
2. At least others are humble and not lying. Even the apostles asked "who then can be saved". Even engaging in this lengthy argument you are already disobeying. See below and adopt some humility my my brother, because if it were to be by works you'd have absolutely no chance.....,

46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ but you don’t do what I say?
47 The people who come to me, who listen to my teachings and obey them—I will show you what they are like:
48 They are like a man building a house. He digs deep and builds his house on rock. The floods come, and the water crashes against the house. But the flood cannot move the house, because it was built well.
49 “But the people who hear my words and do not obey are like a man who builds a house without preparing a foundation. When the floods come, the house falls down easily and is completely destroyed.” - Luke 6 vs 46 - 49

Kobojunkie:
Again, the question is simple. From what passage of Philo of Alexandria's work was that statement lifted from by John? Where?

Lukuluku69:
When you read Philo's work, you will see where the ideas for John 1:1,2,3 comes from.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, so it is no longer just John 1 vs 1?

You do understand what plagiarism is, right? Surely, the entire works of Philo couldn't have been plagiarized here given we are talking of just 3 statements/verses. So, again, the question is simple. From what passage of Philo of Alexandria's work was that statement lifted from by John? Where?
Reveal this and we can go from there, else stop wasting space with this, what seems a spurious claim, abeg.

Lukuluku69:
Oga, read the works of Philo of Alexandria and you will see where the Author of John got his inspiration from.

Philo lived roughly about the same time with Jesus. He penned many works and many fancy stuff in his time. He was the one that started the idea of the Logos become flesh.

What the writer of John did was to rephrase and retool it for his own version of the Gospel.

If you care to read and comprehend, John's Gospel is what most Christians who claimed the Lord and Savior is God based most of their arguments on.

As with Plagiarism, you don't have to copy word for word. You can play around the central theme of a work in your own words but the ideas utimately belongs to someone else.

So, read Philo work and you will see that otherwise I can help you!

And if you think I am a waste of space, abeg stop mentioning me it doesn't remove the fact that John stole Philo work.

It is one of the reasons the Jews won't accept your version of Christ. They know all these things!

Kobojunkie:
Again....Oh, so it is no longer just John 1 vs 1?

You do understand what plagiarism is, right? Surely, the entire works of Philo couldn't have been plagiarized here given we are talking of just 3 statements/verses. So, again, the question is simple. From what passage of Philo of Alexandria's work was that statement lifted from by John? Where?
Reveal this and we can go from there, else stop wasting space with this, what seems a spurious claim, abeg.

Kobojunkie:
Again....Oh, so it is no longer just John 1 vs 1?

You do understand what plagiarism is, right? Surely, the entire works of Philo couldn't have been plagiarized here given we are talking of just 3 statements/verses. So, again, the question is simple. From what passage of Philo of Alexandria's work was that statement lifted from by John? Where?
Reveal this and we can go from there, else stop wasting space with this, what seems a spurious claim, abeg.

Lukuluku69:
Oga, read the works of Philo of Alexandria and you will see where the Author of John got his inspiration from.

Philo lived roughly about the same time with Jesus. He penned many works and many fancy stuff in his time. He was the one that started the idea of the Logos become flesh.

What the writer of John did was to rephrase and retool it for his own version of the Gospel.

If you care to read and comprehend, John's Gospel is what most Christians who claimed the Lord and Savior is God based most of their arguments on.

As with Plagiarism, you don't have to copy word for word. You can play around the central theme of a work in your own words but the ideas utimately belongs to someone else.

So, read Philo work and you will see that otherwise I can help you!

And if you think I am a waste of space, abeg stop mentioning me it doesn't remove the fact that John stole Philo work.

It is one of the reasons the Jews won't accept your version of Christ. They know all these things!