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Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 10:45pm On Sep 02, 2022
crownprince2017:

I ask you, is assu not on monthly salary, are they being paid based on academic calendar?
Why are many people reasoning the same way?
I employed and put you on monthly salary, is there anything like where we stopped working or what is assu saying that is not logical?
If assu want to be paid just like their counterparts in developed countries, do they give what their counterparts give in those countries?

The money the universities are generating in Nigeria is more than the money they are generating for the government, who is holding them accountable for this?

They claimed they were on strike yet many of them still sells one form or the other just to generate igr, for who pls? The environment they are using to sell forms, how much is their investment there..

Because there is corruption in government does not mean we should continue to do the wrong thing after all assu members are corrupt too.

To me, assu are selfish to the point of not weighing the consequences of there actions, who it will affect and how it will affect them, mind you, government will come and go, assu are like landlords that must make sure your houses are not tattered by the tenants..they supposed to show more patriotism as the landlords they are. After all government did something.

1. The money generated by universities are in TSA, universities do not even have a say on what they do with the money without going to abuja to beg or defend it
( even departmental fees are paid into TSA, the only fee that is not paid into TSA is all those student association fees)

2. IGR generated by universities are split between the individual university and the federal government (60:30 or thereabout).

3. All those forms that they are selling will still go to TSA

4. If the money is in TSA who should be held accountable?

5. With reference to point 4 above, have you about "visitation panels"? Can you guess why the FG is refusing the release the report of the visitation panels that went to all federal universities?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 10:54pm On Sep 02, 2022
Godoverevery:


Where is your own proof

The moment you admit this ASUU strike is for selfish interests the better for you.

If ASUU wants to be honest let them post there demand out on the media but I know they can't because it major about there salaries and welfare.

I have an uncle who is a lecturer and he is my source.

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National association of resident doctors will soon go on strike with regards to hazard allowance, MTR, skipping and others, will you tag their own struggle "selfish interest"?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by TenQ: 11:02pm On Sep 02, 2022
Oblivion34:


This strike is making us aware of unions that we never thought existed.

Like which one?
Which labour organisation is successful in Nigeria that you know?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 11:03pm On Sep 02, 2022
JJuanMiguel:

Because it was unreasonable, ASUU asking for 180% salary increment. It means someone on 200k will jump to 560k.
FG who is their employer offered 30k-60k increment, they said it's too small and that's part of why they are still at home.
But the major reason, even though they will deny it is the shock of the stance of FG on no work no pay policy. They didn't anticipate it, some have even borrowed money via their cooperatives to sustain themselves during the strike with the hope to get a huge sum when they call off to pay back. Now FG have put them in a more difficult position.


It is called negotiation for a reason. Both parties must negotiate to meet at a neutral ground...

The reason why this strike is taking time is because both parties are failing to meet at a neutral ground.

Those (the various student associations) that are meant to act as a "catalyst in the chemical reaction" are busy enjoying their holidays at home. If ASUU comes out tomorrow and accept the fees proposal by FG, that is only when they will act..
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by TenQ: 11:05pm On Sep 02, 2022
Oblivion34:


I beleive there were some underground negotiations going on between the government and ASUU before they declared strike.

ASUU wants rapid action!

I support the no work no salary!

It is the only way to stop them the incessant strikes
No sir. There was no underground negotiation. In fact, government IGNORED ASUU until ASUU went on strike. Without the strike, Government would not have minded ASUU.

The FG is actually very irresponsible as a government.
They want ASUU to keep quiet and pretend that no agreement was signed with Government since 2009. Is that fair?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by blackpanda: 6:19am On Sep 03, 2022
Niklaus398:
never say never. I might be one day and get to rule you.
I'm far better citizens than you cause I don't lick the president ass. People like you are demonic. You know the president is wrong but you support him.

Wrong in what You are the demon here that chooses to hate someone for no reason
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:28am On Sep 03, 2022
JJuanMiguel:

Because it was unreasonable, ASUU asking for 180% salary increment. It means someone on 200k will jump to 560k.

FG who is their employer offered 30k-60k increment, they said it's too small and that's part of why they are still at home.
But the major reason, even though they will deny it is the shock of the stance of FG on no work no pay policy. They didn't anticipate it, some have even borrowed money via their cooperatives to sustain themselves during the strike with the hope to get a huge sum when they call off to pay back. Now FG have put them in a more difficult position.


ASUU has been unreasonable with their demands since day one. They are only trying to make the masses beleive they are fighting for better this and that. Whereas, we know they are fighting for their pockets.

I support the motion of withholding their salaries, and not giving them 1kobo for all the months not worked.

It's okay to declare strike, but it's not okay to be unreasonable with demands. Imagine how they've been comparing themselves with bandits and terrorists while saying if government can pay terrorists why can't they pay them?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:31am On Sep 03, 2022
rant19ade:
In saner climes and with responsible govt, no strike to a key sector of the economy/sociol life will reach six months. Most would have been btw 2weeks to a month.
So the idea of no work no pay make sense.
After fg dragged leg for over six months now wants to not pay for those period because of no work no pay policy can't work.
Simple

ASUU were the ones dragging negotiations.

Asking for over 100% salary increment, adoption of UTAS and many other frivolous demands.

They don't deserve a dime. Who will compensate the students who have been at home watching their peers soar higher?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:36am On Sep 03, 2022
sultan003:



There is nothing like work not done in the university academic system, because whenever the strike is called off all those semesters and session paused will be resumed and concluded before a new session is started.

So the work is still done, except when those semesters and sessions are cancelled that is when work is not done

You call two weeks of revision (That's if the lecturer even comes to class), and exam work?

Lecturers are not going to teach anything. They'll just assume students has been reading while the strike was ongoing!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:39am On Sep 03, 2022
Haywhy3579:

So work is done by quickly rushing students to examination table just after one month of resumption. Paying them amount to scamming millions of Nigerians wch include u and I. By next year they will still strike because it is a norms to them and they know government will pay them

Its now like a tradition for them. They'll start clamouring for strike after resuming for the new year work.

Declare strike, go and relax with their families at home. Come back, start exams, get paid for months not worked, and repeat the same process the following year.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:44am On Sep 03, 2022
kafeii123:
Foolishness...ASUU didn't start the strike because of unpaid salaries...the strike wasn't because of unpaid salaries... even if you pay the salaries..ASUU would still not resume unless the issues that caused the strike in the first place.. become resolved...

If you will punish ASUU for maintaining the strike...then you should also include everyone in the ministries of labor... and education... for letting the strike go on this far...yet not resolving anything....

After all ASUU had concluded talks with the government's teams... before the minister of education now suddenly came up with a sham decree that negates all the terms of the concluded agreement

ASUU should be punished for being unreasonable with their demands.

They were asking for over 1 trillion of Nigeria currency if I'm not mistaken at the intial stage.

They later broke It down few months after and claimed they want over 250 billion per year, and all the calculation sums up to 1.1 trillion.

Same ASUU wants the adoption of UTAS, and rejects the idea of integrating UTAS into IPPIS.

Same ASUU says they want to be able to recruit staffs from advance countries (Under the crumbling economy)

I can go on, and on....

THEY MUST NOT GET PAID!!!

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Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:48am On Sep 03, 2022
sultan003:




Okay, so cancelling it and starting a new session is the best way forward then..
Otherwise suggest the best solution

FYI, no one is going to rush anyone.. those session will go on normally, except there will be no holidays

If you schooled abroad and schooled in a Nigerian federal University, you will understand what is going on..



The bolded are LIES from the pits of hell!!!

Students will be rushed, many academic performance will drop drastically, many will give up on acheiving a good grade and will just want to graduate, let's I forget lots of carryovers.

The 2nd ASUU calls off strike. There is only going to be one or two weeks of revision before exams starts. The next semester will then proceed normally
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:52am On Sep 03, 2022
Haywhy3579:

I schooled in a public university and i withness ASUU strike first hand. The lecturers always come back to class rooms to rush students and the school also shorten there calendar and give like a week holiday between semesters. So it still doesn’t justify the fact that the lecturer will do six month work in 2 months and now collect 8 months salaries with 2 month job

The sole reason why they always feel motivated to declare strike every year is because they don't get to lose at the end of the day.

They'll claim to be fighting for students, and their staffs whereas they are busy taking time off work, doing other jobs, and they'll resume back with salaries for months not worked.

Let them sacrifice this salary, and we'll see if they'll be bold enough to declare another strike next year!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:53am On Sep 03, 2022
TenQ:

ASUU is not asking for more money. ASUU is simply asking that the signed agreements between ASUU and the FG be honoured!

Is there anything wrong with insisting that a signed agreement be honoured?

Agreement since over a decade!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:55am On Sep 03, 2022
Heterodox:
The OP is just one of many bastards around.



Are you okay with the useless graduates Nigeria education system is producing?

Is this how you people insult people on the negotiation table?

I'll write a piece about this ASAP
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 10:57am On Sep 03, 2022
Niklaus398:
why should dey govt delay the inevitable? We all know they're gonna pay ASUU that money one way or the other so why stress it and take students time?
Fg will still pay more than half of their salaries either way, so it is better they begin now.

They don't deserve a penny!

The country is tough, if they are bold enough to declare strike during this perilous times.

Then they should be willing to sacrifice their salaries and allow the government use it for a better cause.

Everybody is grumbling on the inside, and some people are bold enough to declare 6 months strike while asking for salary
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by TenQ: 10:57am On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


Agreement since over a decade!

The agreement was even renegotiated by the FG in 2013 and yet, the FG failed to honour their part of the agreement.

Whose fault!?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:03am On Sep 03, 2022
LORDCYPRESS:


fergie001

Mr oblivion...(op)

Pls answer this question sincerely.

Since you only know how to support evil...

Permit me to first buhahahaha grin grin grin

The federal government had proposed 30-60k salary increment

Implementation of UTAS

There has been some revisitation of federal universities.


I mentioned all of this in the main write up, and I beleive it's true because the government offered other unions slightly similar offers and they have resumed.

I don't know why people keep asking me to repeat what I had written.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:08am On Sep 03, 2022
Hadizometer:

Are they paid based on work done or monthly?

The government imposed a "No work, No pay" [/b]clause on the union one month after the strike.

They still got paid in February, even though they worked for half of the month.

No work! No Pay.

[b]The government will win ASUU if the matter is taken before the court of law. Because it shows ASUU were willing to sacrifice their salaries until all of their demands are met!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:09am On Sep 03, 2022
Nauttyprof:


ASUU is greedy but your Politicians are saint who have made the educational system rot to this stage. Did you hear yourself?

Fairness and equity must be brought to this. Someone spent fortunes to get elected is not an excuse to lavishly spend our resources. Please, say something else

Diversify into politics, and help make Nigeria a better place. If you can't do that, don't compare yourself with politicians who are public target no.1 for kidnappers, arm robbers, scammers, etc
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:12am On Sep 03, 2022
GeneralBuhari:


Just look at your stupid logic.

So let's assume you are in charge of building a house for me.

And then you decide to stop coming to work in 2020

And then you come back in 2022 to resume the work from where you stopped

And then you insist that I must pay you for the work you didnt do in 2021 simply because you are resuming from where you stopped.

What type of nonsense reasoning is that?

And yet you want the whole world to call you an intellectual?

No work no pay, abeg!

I can't help but to buhahahaha at the bolded. It's so saddening that these are the people we entrust to nurture future leaders.

These people are far from been intellectual with the way they reason
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:17am On Sep 03, 2022
fergie001:




My dear Oblivion, I am not an old Professor. Sometimes, ask questions especially on issues that are a bit unclear to you.

What you failed to mention is that salaries of the GAs and ALs were reduced to accommodate that of Professors and Readers, so you think that is fair, just and alright?

Who told you the FG has implemented UTAS?
NITDA affirmed that UTAS bettered IPPIS, so where did you hear that they assented to UTAS (in writing). is it supposed to be a gentleman's agreement or be done in writing like IPPIS was done?

What do you mean some type of visitation?
What type of visitation?
Be specific about it.

The FG can even negotiate with the salary aspect, it is not the only demand!

This is the fact as of today:

‘’They met with the president, he set up a committee headed by the Chief of Staff that should resolve this quickly, the world saw it in the press, they did nothing. The president set up the Munzali committee, we met them finish, nothing, they didn’t come back. They set up the Nimi Briggs committee, it’s now more than three months, two months we finished negotiating with them, they didn’t come back.

‘’The president directed the Ministry of Education to finish within two weeks, two weeks has passed, they didn’t come back.’’



Now, listen to the Chairperson, Committee of VCs in Nigeria;

"This issue of saying we don’t have money to put into the university system shouldn’t be. It is like the Needs Assessment fund; it was not given to ASUU, it was given to the universities.

“When they say we don’t have funds, what they are saying is that ‘these universities are our own but we don’t have money to give. We don’t have money to pay for overhead to run the universities.’ I listened to Keyamo also. He is not even at the centre of the whole thing.”


Now, gently ..... Go through this, just yesterday;
https://dailytrust.com/fact-check-has-fg-met-80-of-asuus-demands-as-education-ministry-claimed

I will appreciate your reply.

I have to say this, you people are good in gaining sympathy of people! Almost too good!

But you lack sympathy for your students!

Same lecturer will come to class, and stamp their foot into the ground while telling students that their salary will be paid in full irrespective of whether they come to class or not!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:41am On Sep 03, 2022
fergie001:




My dear Oblivion, I am not an old Professor. Sometimes, ask questions especially on issues that are a bit unclear to you.

What you failed to mention is that salaries of the GAs and ALs were reduced to accommodate that of Professors and Readers, so you think that is fair, just and alright?

Who told you the FG has implemented UTAS?
NITDA affirmed that UTAS bettered IPPIS, so where did you hear that they assented to UTAS (in writing). is it supposed to be a gentleman's agreement or be done in writing like IPPIS was done?

What do you mean some type of visitation?
What type of visitation?
Be specific about it.

The FG can even negotiate with the salary aspect, it is not the only demand!

This is the fact as of today:

‘’They met with the president, he set up a committee headed by the Chief of Staff that should resolve this quickly, the world saw it in the press, they did nothing. The president set up the Munzali committee, we met them finish, nothing, they didn’t come back. They set up the Nimi Briggs committee, it’s now more than three months, two months we finished negotiating with them, they didn’t come back.

‘’The president directed the Ministry of Education to finish within two weeks, two weeks has passed, they didn’t come back.’’



Now, listen to the Chairperson, Committee of VCs in Nigeria;

"This issue of saying we don’t have money to put into the university system shouldn’t be. It is like the Needs Assessment fund; it was not given to ASUU, it was given to the universities.

“When they say we don’t have funds, what they are saying is that ‘these universities are our own but we don’t have money to give. We don’t have money to pay for overhead to run the universities.’ I listened to Keyamo also. He is not even at the centre of the whole thing.”


Now, gently ..... Go through this, just yesterday;
https://dailytrust.com/fact-check-has-fg-met-80-of-asuus-demands-as-education-ministry-claimed

I will appreciate your reply.

Back to the matters at hand


My goodness who are the GA's and LA's? It sounds like a cult group to me.

Now before you insult me for displaying my ignorance, I looked it up and did not say anything meaniful.

Sorry about the GA'S & LA having their salary reduced. Even if that happens, ASUU should not be concerned about that.

They should stop pretending to care. We know they are selfish and self-centered

But the GA's and LA's (whoever they are) can kick against the salary reduction, and have a face off with the government. And life is not fair to anyone.

In addition, the government is not fair to any sector in Nigeria (Take it or leave it!!!).

From what I heard, federal government has agreed to integrate UTAS into IPPIS.

Speaking on the revisitation of universities, I have heard rumors (Rumours because I did not read it from any credible media source) that the government has started upgrading some facilities at some federal universities.

I wouldn't want to stress on that too much because I don't know how true it is, and I know that ASUU do not really care about that. It's not beneficial to their pockets.

Speaking on the government setting up committee to meet with ASUU: I beleive they don't always come back because they feel ASUU members are not reasonable with their demands.

ASUU was demanding for over 120% salary increment (Where is that done?)

Adoption of UTAS (Dictating mode of payment to their employers)

Implementation of a agreement signed over a decade ago, etc.

Those committees that the government set up to speak with ASUU can't come back, and they will keep coming and leaving until ASUU is ready to listen to what the government has to offer.

For heaven's sake, ASUU are not the only civil servant in Nigeria, and they are not the only union in the academic field.

I believe the reason why we have all of this complains in year 2022 is because ASUU does not always give the government breathing space. Before the government thinks about implementing something that was agreed on, they'll strike!

Allow them think of what they can do, and watch them implement it. Rather than always forcing them to do this, and that.

If the government says this is what we can offer. Take it, and maybe ask for more increment.

Think about the economy of the nation. This is really not a good time to be putting the heat on the poor government.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:42am On Sep 03, 2022
garfield1:


A little salary increment

Half bread is better than none.

Is it not slightly better than the former?

It is going to get better. Change takes time
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:47am On Sep 03, 2022
loko50:


Increased salary by how many percent. Compare that to Prof. Briggs report. Be objective

I don't care to know the figures in the Briggs report. The government has said this is what they have to offer.

You either take it while asking for slight increase or you leave it.

Stop stressing this!

And again the "No work, No pay" clause must stand until the very end.

It should be a sacrifice for the cause, and we will always remember it.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:48am On Sep 03, 2022
loko50:


Whatever you typed here has no meaning

Wrong!

This is the politics section. And I beleive we have political juggernauts here who are taking notes of at least 20% of everything that is made mention here.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:50am On Sep 03, 2022
fergie001:

So, who was President in 2020?
So they now negotiate demands yearly or biennially?

The FG should come out and say we will accept this one and not accept this one. This pattern of theirs isn't helping @ all.

ASUU's pattern of yearly strike is not helping the educational system either!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:52am On Sep 03, 2022
Godoverevery:


Where is your own proof

The moment you admit this ASUU strike is for selfish interests the better for you.

If ASUU wants to be honest let them post there demand out on the media but I know they can't because it major about there salaries and welfare.

I have an uncle who is a lecturer and he is my source.

I have never seen a union so selfish, and arrogant!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 11:58am On Sep 03, 2022
We4all:


Read to understand and read well. I cannot be explaining every sarcasm that I post.

It's not sarcasm. You are not the first person to compare ASUU holding student's for ransom to kidnappers holding people for ransom from the government.

I have seen similar comments on diverse social media platform (excluding Nairaland)

If that's how you people reason. Then shame on you all!!!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:03pm On Sep 03, 2022
Niklaus398:
hate and envy for a failure? If I was the President I would have done a better job. Heck, even a bby can do a much better job.

Is the president doing a better job in the economy? Kerosene is now 1k per liter, amongst other failures of the government.

The government is failing in every sector of the economy.

We all are affected, not ASUU alone!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:06pm On Sep 03, 2022
JJuanMiguel:

ASUU thought it was the right time to strike and ask for 180% rise in pay cos of election cheesy

I can't help but to buhahahaha cheesy grin grin grin grin

There's a 50% chance that their demands might have been considered if the president was planning to run for a second term.

But the president is leaving, and may never pursue any political ambitions in future.

If I were ASUU, I'll take what the government has to offer, and see how it goes from there!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:11pm On Sep 03, 2022
janvier27:
I'll pick only one item, earned allowance. Lecturers are owed the peanuts earned allowance for years. The only times they got paid some amount was when they went on strike. Now they went on strike and it took over three months before government agreed to talks. Now we are saying they should not be paid for the strike forced on them. Truly we deserve the government we have.

The government has been engaging them in discussions since the first month the union declared strike.

The government stopped showing concerns because of the annoying demands of the union.

The strike was not forced on them. They chose to pause work while waiting for rapid action from the government.

The "No work, No pay" rule must stand!

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