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Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:13pm On Sep 03, 2022
Niklaus398:
never say never. I might be one day and get to rule you.
I'm far better citizens than you cause I don't lick the president ass. People like you are demonic. You know the president is wrong but you support him.

And ASUU are pure?

From the comments I have read so far. ASUU are not different from bandits who hold people as ransom from the government
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:15pm On Sep 03, 2022
sultan003:


Your analogy does not apply to an academic environment. But even if we are to go there, there are two scenarios

1. I stop work and the project is paused, whenever i resume you, i continue from where i paused the project and you will pay me for the work i am doing

2. I stop work, the project continues because you hired another person to continue the job, whenever i resume, you will pay me from the point i resumed.. no one in his or her right senses will demand pay for a job done by someone else

In summary, you don't get it and will never get it, so leave matter for those that can comprehend....

So you are agreeing to the fact that the government should always hire interim lecturers to teach when ASUU declares strike.

That way they can go on strike for as long as they want, and will agree to not get paid at the end?


You are brilliant!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:18pm On Sep 03, 2022
TenQ:

No sir. There was no underground negotiation. In fact, government IGNORED ASUU until ASUU went on strike. Without the strike, Government would not have minded ASUU.

The FG is actually very irresponsible as a government.
They want ASUU to keep quiet and pretend that no agreement was signed with Government since 2009. Is that fair?

From what I read, ASUU were constantly sending out letters, memos, etc before they declared strike.

I beleive the government did not respond to all of those memos, and letters because they understand that it is that time of the year for ASUU to go on strike.

It's a every year thing!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:21pm On Sep 03, 2022
TenQ:

The agreement was even renegotiated by the FG in 2013 and yet, the FG failed to honour their part of the agreement.

Whose fault!?

Did you hold the previous administration accountable for not honouring it's agreement?

The one who caused all this higi Haga was recently praised for ending ASUU four months strike in one night
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by TenQ: 12:24pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


Did you hold the previous administration accountable for not honouring it's agreement?

The one who caused all this higi Haga was recently praised for ending ASUU four months strike in one night
I'm sure you know that Government is a continuum.

All the money Buhari borrowed must be paid back by his successor!

So it is with negotiated deals and agreements!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by TenQ: 12:26pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


From what I read, ASUU were constantly sending out letters, memos, etc before they declared strike.

I beleive the government did not respond to all of those memos, and letters because they understand that it is that time of the year for ASUU to go on strike.

It's a every year thing!
The truth is that government is not ready to fulfill the signed agreement hence their procrastinations and delay tactics.
If ASUU excos could be easily bribed, the FG would have taken such options but nay, ASUU structure doesn't allow national excos undue powers from the state chapters
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:35pm On Sep 03, 2022
TenQ:

The truth is that government is not ready to fulfill the signed agreement hence their procrastinations and delay tactics.
If ASUU excos could be easily bribed, the FG would have taken such options but nay, ASUU structure doesn't allow national excos undue powers from the state chapters

Yes! We all know all that.

But are the union ready to listen to what the government has to offer?

We know the government can't meet all of ASUU demands, but are ASUU ready to listen to what the government can do?

Let the "No, work No pay" rule stand, and let's changes in the system.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 12:39pm On Sep 03, 2022
TenQ:

I'm sure you know that Government is a continuum.

All the money Buhari borrowed must be paid back by his successor!

So it is with negotiated deals and agreements!

Yes we know!

All the money owed by the previous administration has not been paid. Every new administration keeps borrowing.

ASUU should renegotiate the 2009 agreements with the next administration.

Or come up with a new negotiation that will be implemented with immediate effect!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Nobody: 12:40pm On Sep 03, 2022
IboHausaYoruba:
I feel ASUU are too self centered, the economy situations all over the world do not support such bogus requests at this umpteenth time. ASUU has never fought for the welfare of Nigerian students since i was born all they always ask for is salary, salary and salary increment. Let them resign in droves, we've got many brighter minds out there looking for opportunities.
The salary,kickbacks from contract, constituency allawance and other wardrobe newspaper, refreshment recess,medical and vacation allowances of one lawmaker can meet ASUU's demand.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by We4all: 12:47pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


It's not sarcasm. You are not the first person to compare ASUU holding student's for ransom to kidnappers holding people for ransom from the government.

I have seen similar comments on diverse social media platform (excluding Nairaland)

If that's how you people reason. Then shame on you all!!!

I repeat, read to understand and understand well. I am not dumb and know what I wrote. It’s up to you to interpret it however you want.

Unless you support the Government for paying bandits and prioritizing crime over education. I repeat, if they can afford to pay bandits, then why can’t they pay striking lecturers? Is that so difficult to understand?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 1:05pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:



The bolded are LIES from the pits of hell!!!

Students will be rushed, many academic performance will drop drastically, many will give up on acheiving a good grade and will just want to graduate, let's I forget lots of carryovers.

The 2nd ASUU calls off strike. There is only going to be one or two weeks of revision before exams starts. The next semester will then proceed normally

The first semester exams was just about to start before this strike, once the strike is called off exams will start

The academic calendar will be followed simple
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 1:07pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


So you are agreeing to the fact that the government should always hire interim lecturers to teach when ASUU declares strike.

That way they can go on strike for as long as they want, and will agree to not get paid at the end?


You are brilliant!

That is an option, but it is not feasible and government knows it.

The academic system is different from your normal 9 to 5pm jobs.. you guys are failing to realise this
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 1:13pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


You call two weeks of revision (That's if the lecturer even comes to class), and exam work?

Lecturers are not going to teach anything. They'll just assume students has been reading while the strike was ongoing!


Like i said, there is always an academic calender that is followed.

If strike interrupted a semester at week 9, once the strike is called off, everything will resume from week 9

The only difference is that the holidays will be reduced

But anyway i doubt if you know how an academic calender works....
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 1:17pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:



The bolded are LIES from the pits of hell!!!

Students will be rushed, many academic performance will drop drastically, many will give up on acheiving a good grade and will just want to graduate, let's I forget lots of carryovers.

The 2nd ASUU calls off strike. There is only going to be one or two weeks of revision before exams starts. The next semester will then proceed normally


I challenge you to prove that what i said are lies from the pit of hell.

In proving it, bring an academic calender of a university and show me when strike started and when strike was called off and when exams started in any particular university.

Otherwise you have no idea what you are talking about
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by sultan003(m): 1:23pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:
ASUU declared a strike in February 2022.

Every meeting with the Union has always ended in deadlock.

The union, however, stood its ground and claims not to shift grounds until all of its demands are met.

Meanwhile, the union president kept referring to how the government has seized their salaries to influence their decisions and stance.

This is the month of September 2022 and the government has met more than 60% of the union demands.

All the striking unions already called off strike the past month after a brief meeting with the government.

ASUU has refused to call off the strike because the Federal government is not willing to pay them their 6 months salary arrears.

They've however been very tactical with the strike time frame. At first, they declared one month strike, then kept increasing the time frame while making it look as if they were willing to call off the strike in good faith.

They declared an indefinite strike after the government had met 60% of their frivolous demands.

Before the federal government thinks about paying the union their 6 months arrears, think about the effect it will have.

ASUU is known for declaring strikes every year because they often get paid before they resume back to class.

Where is it done that a union will declare 6 months strike, and still be expecting a salary for work not done?

There is without a doubt that the union has lost the sympathy of 80% of most Nigerians, and the only thing stopping students from declaring them public enemy No.1 in the educational sector is because of "fear"

If the federal government decides to pay them today, nothing will stop them from declaring a 3-5 years strike tomorrow!!!



ASUU is failing to realize that nobody is happy with the present-day government.

Declaring over 3 months of strike while expecting pay for work not done is selfish, and unjustifiable.

In a sane world, a union is expected to press its demands for a maximum of 3 months before resuming back to classes.

Before declaring an indefinite strike; the union claim they are not going to make up for the lost months if the government fails to pay them

No matter what happens, students will always be at the receiving end.

During our time, lecturers were so inconsiderate after calling off 4 months ASUU strike. They started exams immediately as if we were the cause of the strike/fight.

The bolded part has always been the tradition of ASUU. They don't make up for all the lost months.

"ASUU claims the strike is a sacrifice for the generation to come." They should also be willing to sacrifice their one-year salary for the generation to come.

Paying ASUU will mean more subscriptions to more strikes in the nearest future.

Not paying them their 6 months strike will make them more reasonable before declaring another strike in the nearest future,
(II) It will enable them to give more listening hears to what the government has to offer quicker, rather than standing on what they want!



I am #Oblivion


You are saying 60%, FG is saying 80% meanwhile all they did was to promise as usual.

The question i will ask you, according to your 60%, what did the FG fulfill?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Niklaus398: 1:49pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


And ASUU are pure?

From the comments I have read so far. ASUU are not different from bandits who hold people as ransom from the government
they're fighting for better education for ordinary Nigerians. Something if it was left to the govt the ordinary people won't go to school so they will become like the almajeries in the north.
Buhari and his ministers benefited from almost free quality education from the British and also the old leaders of 1960-75 but today they want to deprived ordinary Nigerians of that, Failed Govt.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Niklaus398: 1:49pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


Is the president doing a better job in the economy? Kerosene is now 1k per liter, amongst other failures of the government.

The government is failing in every sector of the economy.

We all are affected, not ASUU alone!
ASUU is fighting for their rights. What belongs to them.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Niklaus398: 1:51pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


They don't deserve a penny!

The country is tough, if they are bold enough to declare strike during this perilous times.

Then they should be willing to sacrifice their salaries and allow the government use it for a better cause.

Everybody is grumbling on the inside, and some people are bold enough to declare 6 months strike while asking for salary
Me and you knows the fg will succumbs whether today or tomorrow is immaterial but they will still pay that money. . so why postpone the evil day?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Niklaus398: 1:56pm On Sep 03, 2022
blackpanda:


Wrong in what You are the demon here that chooses to hate someone for no reason
no, you're the demon that chooses to lick the ass of Mr President even if he's wrong. U have never criticise the president on his failures. U lick his ass daily cause you gain directly or indirectly from him. That's not patriotism, patriotism is being able to criticise the President whenever he fails.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by funmsygrace01(f): 2:01pm On Sep 03, 2022
[quote aputhor=Caen1 post=116273340]Nigeria Government should be called beast of no nation[/quote]
Paying Assu 6month areas wiil promote strike.

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Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by TenQ: 2:26pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


Yes! We all know all that.

But are the union ready to listen to what the government has to offer?

We know the government can't meet all of ASUU demands, but are ASUU ready to listen to what the government can do?

Let the "No, work No pay" rule stand, and let's changes in the system.
1. In 2009, Agreement was signed between ASUU and Government
2. In 2013, Government says that cannot fulfil the agreement and so, the 2009 agreement was renegotiated.
3. In 2021, Government is saying the cannot fulfil the 2013 agreement and that ASUU should keep quiet and collect whatever salary they are being paid. All ASUU's communications with the government were ignored as baseless
4. In October 2021, ASUU gave notice of industrial action to the Government if nothing was done about the agreement
5. In February 14th, 2022 ASUU commenced warning strike. Government responded with no-work-no pay from March 2022.

Please, what else do you expect ASUU to do?
Here is a government that during this same time of no-money, bought almost 30 luxury vehicles for Niger Republic
During this same time, this government found money to build a standard gauge rail to Niger Republic.
There is no professor in Nigeria that earns above N500,000 per month in the same country where a special assistance to a political officer is earning N750,000.

Interestingly, ASUU is not fighting about Salary increment. They are saying that Government should implement the already re-negotiated agreement.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by TenQ: 2:26pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


Yes we know!

All the money owed by the previous administration has not been paid. Every new administration keeps borrowing.

ASUU should renegotiate the 2009 agreements with the next administration.

Or come up with a new negotiation that will be implemented with immediate effect!
The 2009 agreement had been re-negotiated by the Federal Government of Nigeria in 2013 based on the so-called current realities. Unfortunately, since 2013, ASUU had been patient. The patience is looking like stupidity because the Government is acting like 419 Fraudster

ASUU is saying, that Government should honour the re-negotiated agreement.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by fergie001: 2:30pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


ASUU's pattern of yearly strike is not helping the educational system either!
The Govt wants it so.
You must not wait till there is a strike before you act.

Who reminded Buhari of the Duty Tour Allowance for Fed Civil Servants? Did any Minister or Perm Sec go on strike before he did that?

ASUU have their own problem which we all know but can you say the Government haven't been the agent provocateur?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Heterodox(m): 3:01pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


Is this how you people insult people on the negotiation table?

I'll write a piece about this ASAP
And get paid doing it.
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Nauttyprof(m): 9:36pm On Sep 03, 2022
Oblivion34:


Diversify into politics, and help make Nigeria a better place. If you can't do that, don't compare yourself with politicians who are public target no.1 for kidnappers, arm robbers, scammers, etc

So, how many of these politicians have been kidnapped when compared to the citizens?
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by JJuanMiguel: 9:08am On Sep 04, 2022
Niklaus398:
Me and you knows the fg will succumbs whether today or tomorrow is immaterial but they will still pay that money. . so why postpone the evil day?
Unfortunately, this same thing you said is what ASUU also believe,that's why they were shouting indefinite for about a week before declaring it to see if it will cause some panic or put pressure on FG, but as they can see, nobody has their time again . But the thing here is that they won't be paid, Adamu said the order was from Buhari.

If ASUU are ready to wait for the next administration to start negotiating their salaries around next year August, maybe they will have a chance. But I'm sure even a new admin won't just come and then agree to pay ASUU a backlog of almost 18 months.

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Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Niklaus398: 11:53am On Sep 04, 2022
[quote author=JJuanMiguel post=116339445]
Unfortunately, this same thing you said is what ASUU also believe,that's why they were shouting indefinite for about a week before declaring it to see if it will cause some panic or put pressure on FG, but as they can see, nobody has their time again . But the thing here is that they won't be paid, Adamu said the order was from Buhari.

If ASUU are ready to wait for the next administration to start negotiating their salaries around next year August, maybe they will have a chance. But I'm sure even a new admin won't just come and then agree to pay ASUU a backlog of almost 18 months. [/quotel] ok then, let's see how it goes starting with the Minister of Education meeting with NEC and Vice Chancellors of Universities on Monday
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 3:00am On Sep 05, 2022
sultan003:



It is called negotiation for a reason. Both parties must negotiate to meet at a neutral ground...

The reason why this strike is taking time is because both parties are failing to meet at a neutral ground.

Those (the various student associations) that are meant to act as a "catalyst in the chemical reaction" are busy enjoying their holidays at home. If ASUU comes out tomorrow and accept the fees proposal by FG, that is only when they will act..


It's called negotiation for a reason, but must the union be unreasonable with it's demands?

The way I see it, the Union choose to stress this strike while blaming the govt for not caring.

That is one of the reasons why I support the "No Work, No Pay" policy
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 3:05am On Sep 05, 2022
sultan003:


The first semester exams was just about to start before this strike, once the strike is called off exams will start

The academic calendar will be followed simple

We've seen other schools call off strike and start exams under short notice.

It will be no different when ASUU decides to call off strike.

They don't deserve a penny!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 3:08am On Sep 05, 2022
Niklaus398:
ASUU is fighting for their rights. What belongs to them.

Keep fighting, I hope you win!

Merry and Christmas and happy new year in advance grin grin grin angry angry

If you like fight for 5 years.

But...

The "No Work, No Pay" policy must stand!
Re: Paying ASUU 6 Months Arears Will Promote More Strike - Oblivion by Oblivion34: 3:10am On Sep 05, 2022
Niklaus398:
Me and you knows the fg will succumbs whether today or tomorrow is immaterial but they will still pay that money. . so why postpone the evil day?

Paying that money has been the landmark for yearly strikes.

Let the government do something different, and we'll see a new structure in academic activities.


Selfish union!

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