vincentcena22:
I will have to re-watch game of thrones again, to reconnect to the realities of this dance of the dragon. I can't wait for season two to begin. Probably by December. I am a strong and unappologetic supporter and fan of the red council.

2024

WetSmoke:
When Lucerys came out and didn’t see vhagar, he should have ran back inside and stayed there na.

Lucerys left Aemond in the hall and Aemond mounted Vhagar and caught up because Vhagar is bigger and faster

Ok then

raumdeuter:


Lucerys left Aemond in the hall and Aemond mounted Vhagar and caught up because Vhagar is bigger and faster

Ibunkun1:


, that was what she was trying to avoid. But I think Aemond didn't mean to kill Lucerys, his taunting and naughtiness just got out of his control

The road to war is ALWAYS covered with acts and deeds that the instigators "didn't mean to".

Let this episode be an excellent lesson to everyone to thoroughly think of the possible consequences before taking high risk actions.

Ibunkun1:
And I thought the dragons can feel the emotions of their riders because they were showing syrax when Rhaenyra was in Labour, like she was also feeling what Rhaenyra felt. But Vhagar no listen to Aemond when he was telling him to calm down before he chop arrax into pieces.

Dragons sometimes disregarding their riders' orders is an idea that was only introduced in the show; I believe it was first vaguely hinted at with Daenerys and Drogon in GoT before being fully explored here. I don't recall that ever happening in the source material (the books); there, Aemond expressly intended to kill Lucerys - because of a girl's taunts, no less! (Women have really been causing wars since time immemorial)

Just look at the way Vhagar ripped Lucery's dragon like a chew tow... Even Aemond himself was shocked.

Those wey dey read books before watching these shows, them dey give award for your effort? I still wonder till today.

Watch how Nairalanders will abandon this thread and the show until season two commences. Na una way. I’m still laughing at how the GOT official thread became a desert a week after the finale.

why does aemond look like a white walker?

kay9:


The road to war is ALWAYS covered with acts and deeds that the instigators "didn't mean to".

Let this episode be an excellent lesson to everyone to thoroughly think of the possible consequences before taking high risk actions.

Very true

abduleez1:


Lol, no let Orys Baratheon their ancestor catch you.

You know the Baratheons are Targaryen by blood(but not by name)?

Orys Baratheon is a bastard half-brother of Aegon the Conqueror

Kemistri4:



You know the Baratheons are Targaryen by blood(but not by name)?

Orys Baratheon is a bastard half-brother of Aegon the Conqueror

Yep, I know that. That's why I specifically mentioned Orys' name since he's the one who started the half Targaryen line.

But their Bloodline has been diluted sha. Not strong enough for Targaryen claims apart from Braggadocio of royal ancestry.

kay9:


Dragons sometimes disregarding their riders' orders is an idea that was only introduced in the show; I believe it was first vaguely hinted at with Daenerys and Drogon in GoT before being fully explored here. I don't recall that ever happening in the source material (the books); there, Aemond expressly intended to kill Lucerys - because of a girl's taunts, no less! (Women have really been causing wars since time immemorial)

Yeah, it was one of the Baratheon daughters that taunted him that he isn't man enough.

Although, I'll go with the show's portrayal of some events. It's more logical and do not forget almost all the events that happened in Fire and Blood was narrated by Maesters and Mushroom. So, many of the events are not 100% accurate as some are mixed with opinions, exaggerations either biased, malicious or not.
Not actually the characters themselves, so I'd go with the show as it offers more clarity to some grey areas.

We should also not forget GRR Martin the author of the books is a writer and heavily involved in the show.

raumdeuter:


Lucerys left Aemond in the hall and Aemond mounted Vhagar and caught up because Vhagar is bigger and faster

Vhagar isn't faster tho. Vhagar only caught up with Arrax because the smaller dragon was lightweight as the storm disturbed its flight. On a clear sky it would have outrun Vhagar back to Dragonstone.
If you watch the scene carefully you'd see Vhagar only caught it because it slowed down and lowered it's guard already and they couldn't see.

Vhagar is actually one of the slowest Dragons because of its age and size.

Vulcanheph:
I love your perspective and you have helped throw more light on why he didn't change Rhaenyra as heir... Viserys was a honourable man but what was a fact in westeros was that a woman sitting on the iron throne will face a lot of challenges unlike a man... This is what Jaeherys knew that's why he didn't give Rhaenys the throne and manipulated it to be given to Viserys instead without really doing it himself.( just like you said).
When you're in a position of power you gotta learn to make hard decisions no matter what or who is involved.
If Viserys had called a council and made the people to choose who they want (which I'm sure , they would choose Aegon) ... Then the "Dance of the Dragons" would have never happened.

at that point in time dorne was the number one enemy of the iron throne and at different points in time dorne was led even in war time by a woman, in fact the death of one of Aegon the first's sister wives and her dragon in sunspear was during the leadership of of a female Martell, so tell me, what does that say about the challenges a so-called woman leader is expected to face in that world?

Adek15:
yes but a bastard can still be made a trueborn. For Rhenya case, she married her husband legally and the the husband acknowledged the kids.

point is, none of the kids was born out of wedlock

dubylhover:


Exactly,he just set rhanerya up for war,left to me,he's the cause of the *dance of dragons*

an oath is binding, he was a honourable man who thought an oath of fealty was a binding pact that even his family dare not challenge, but we know how human nature works in succession struggles world over even within families, if her family didn't dispute her succession no one else would have dared! So no, she was set up not by her father but by her father's hand Otto high tower and house hightower

pu7pl3:


Who owns the dragon Daemon was singing to?
Abduleez1

no one for now, that's vermithor, second largest living dragon after Vhaegar and his last rider was the late king Jaeherys

drmuchin:
Why would Princess Rhaneys have an opportunity to wipe out her enemies with her dragon, and just fly away. I would have loved to see Otto and that bastardly cripple Strong burn to ashes

cc Kamwulia

she and her house weren't contenders for the throne, and she can't declare for or choose a side on behalf of her house, corlys velaryon not her was the head of her house so in other words, the sentence or judgement wasn't hers to pass

drmuchin:



Rhaenys Bleep up I swear
God delivered your enemies into your hands
You chicken out like Mumu

they were not officially her enemies at that point in time, they were her captors but not her enemies

Luckygurl:
If Rhaenys had opened fire on the greens then it’d have been an easy way out and the action we all crave won’t be given to us.
I preferred she made her point clear the way she did. I only pity the innocent onlookers that were affected by her grand entrance

all of you saying Rhaenys shoulda nuked em greens really don't understand party politics do you? especially the concept of a nonpartisan observer or an undecided voter?

Vulcanheph:
It's obvious that episode 10 will Mark the beginning of the "Dance of the Dragons".
This will be exactly when Rhaenyra finally figures out about her father's death and her brother's coronation...
But somehow I feel as if everything was Viserys Targaryen's fault.
He allowed his emotions cloud his judgement (something a person in power should never do).
He knew fully well that Rheanyra's claim to the throne will be contested for 3 obvious reasons...
1. She was a woman.
2. She had brother's who were true born.
3. The paternity of her 3 first kids (who were her heirs) was questionable.

What Viserys should have done is supposed to be the same thing King Jaeherys did by making the people choose between Rhaenyra and Aegon who they wanted.
This would have saved him any feeling of guilt and favoritism.
He obviously wasn't as wise as his grandfather King Jaeherys , who is still remembered as one of the greatest Targaryen Kings.

Jaeherys was wise but not with that decision, that decision gave rise to the belief that the lords of the realm should have a say in which targaryean should become king or queen, that is the foundation for the meddlesome interference by Otto hightower and houses hightower and lannister, he should have simply declared Viserys his heir and have the lords swear their fealty to him like Viserys did for rhaenyra

Zee0007:
From the coronation, it clearly showed that the people were happy with Aegon the wankerer as King.

It was only the lords that weren't happy with the choice.

The people would have rejected Reheanyra.

mobs are fickle and their happiness inconsequential

MrColdsweat:
Rhaenyra is truly her father's daughter. Lacks will and bravery.

she was a true lady raised for leadership under the tutelage of a lord who was then currently a leader, that means, true leaders look at facts and numbers before they act, not by acting emotionally in anger even when they weren't prepared, she wanted the support of house velaryon, the Starks, arryns, tullys and baratheons before acting, contrast her coolheadedness with aemond who killed lucerys and arrax so satisfy his quest for revenge without thinking of the future consequences of his actions, everything that follows will be aemonds fault. Real world comparison is a war between nuclear powers, you can't as a nuclear power nuke another nuclear power or the ally of one because they made you angry, if you do the reprisals will be swift and deadly, above all, a leader of a powerful nation is expected to display caution and restraint

BraniacX:
an oath is binding, he was a honourable man who thought an oath of fealty was a binding pact that even his family dare not challenge, but we know how human nature works in succession struggles world over even within families, if her family didn't dispute her succession no one else would have dared! So no, she was set up not by her father but by her father's hand Otto high tower and house hightower

Pardon me,I have not read the books,but even from the days of old valyria,has there been any instance where a female child was named heir? I get that he did so when he had no sons,but like Otto said,the moment Aegon was born,things changed,whether it was honourable or not,it is what is.
I still maintain that viserys wasn't a "wise king".cos he knew the kind of character hightower was,did he just think that they would let rhaenera rule? When he has legitimate sons? He was just being naive

dubylhover:


Pardon me,I have not read the books,but even from the days of old valyria,has there been any instance where a female child was named heir? I get that he did so when he had no sons,but like Otto said,the moment Aegon was born,things changed,whether it was honourable or not,it is what is.
I still maintain that viserys wasn't a "wise king".cos he knew the kind of character hightower was,did he just think that they would let rhaenera rule? When he has legitimate sons? He was just being naive

valyria was a freehold, sort of like the Roman republic, it had no kings and rulers so the concept of inheritance of a title was less significant, what was important was showing that any individual member of any great house who wanted their status as a voting member of the peerage or their version of the senate should be of pure valyrian stock, a proven dragon rider and have the requisite amount of wealth and real estate.
Being king, Viserys had autocratic powers, so when he chose rhaenyra as heir, he was exercising his powers, when he had a son and still kept rhaenyra as heir being sound of mind and body at the time, that decision was engraved in stone, the decision was his to make, not that of Otto or any other person, when confronted with situations that will cast aspersions on the person of his chosen successor Viserys reinforced his decision by protecting the honour of his anointed successor from attack even as far as sacking Otto hightower! It doesn't need any further confirmation than that, that particular succession was not left to tradition and precedence once the king named a successor! That is all that matters

BraniacX:
valyria was a freehold, sort of like the Roman republic, it had no kings and rulers so the concept of inheritance of a title was less significant, what was important was showing that any individual member of any great house who wanted their status as a voting member of the peerage or their version of the senate should be of pure valyrian stock, a proven dragon rider and have the requisite amount of wealth and real estate.
Being king, Viserys had autocratic powers, so when he chose rhaenyra as heir, he was exercising his powers, when he had a son and still kept rhaenyra as heir being sound of mind and body at the time, that decision was engraved in stone, the decision was his to make, not that of Otto or any other person, when confronted with situations that will cast aspersions on the person of his chosen successor Viserys reinforced his decision by protecting the honour of his anointed successor from attack even as far as sacking Otto hightower! It doesn't need any further confirmation than that, that particular succession was not left to tradition and precedence once the king named a successor! That is all that matters

Oh .okay..sometimes,power is not absolute..
So king jahaerys could have also crowned viserys the heir because he too had autocratic powers right,if the princess rhaenys was male,do you believe that jahaerys would have put it to vote?maybe there's something I'm missing,but we are given the notion that era was a fully patriarchal society,even when Aegon was born,rhaenera was so insecure about her status as heir.
Remember when even Princess rhaenys told rhaenera that men would burn the kingdom before letting a woman ascend the iron throne,that was her being very realistic and practical.
All this comes down to viserys being naive,something that had not been done before in westeros,why would he think that things would change and people would just accept it,oh wait..you said because he's king and his word is final abi .

Someone needs to tell me when this is done please, so I can start binging.

budaatum:
Someone needs to tell me when this is done please, so I can start binging.

Season 1 is done

oyetpel:

Season 1 is done

Aw! Thank you so much. I can now start watching.

dubylhover:


Oh .okay..sometimes,power is not absolute..
So king jahaerys could have also crowned viserys the heir because he too had autocratic powers right,if the princess rhaenys was male,do you believe that jahaerys would have put it to vote?maybe there's something I'm missing,but we are given the notion that era was a fully patriarchal society,even when Aegon was born,rhaenera was so insecure about her status as heir.
Remember when even Princess rhaenys told rhaenera that men would burn the kingdom before letting a woman ascend the iron throne,that was her being very realistic and practical.
All this comes down to viserys being naive,something that had not been done before in westeros,why would he think that things would change and people would just accept it,oh wait..you said because he's king and his word is final abi .

Rhaenyra was insecure after the birth of Aegon because she knows Otto will be ambitious and Aegon is also Otto's grandchild, so Otto will want him to be king too.

Stop attacking Viserys, every ruler and leader has a way they rule. The way Jaeherys ruled was not ultimate, another king can come and rule differently with his own authority, although there is always an unwritten traditional rules.

Rhaenyra could have been a Queen without any challenge, but Otto is the ambitious one using Aegon to challenge for the throne because Aegon is his grandchild.

And as a King and Ruler, Viserys believed in the prophecy of FIRE AND BLOOD to defeat a common enemy from winter.
Maybe he first thought he needed a son for the prophecy to come to pass, but it was later on he discovered that, the Prince might not be an immediate son of his, the Prince to come might just be an offspring of Rhaenyra, and truly it was.
Rhaenyra must have suffered a quick death, but her offsprings gave birth to Jon Snow and Denearys.

dubylhover:


Oh .okay..sometimes,power is not absolute..
So king jahaerys could have also crowned viserys the heir because he too had autocratic powers right,if the princess rhaenys was male,do you believe that jahaerys would have put it to vote?maybe there's something I'm missing,but we are given the notion that era was a fully patriarchal society,even when Aegon was born,rhaenera was so insecure about her status as heir.
Remember when even Princess rhaenys told rhaenera that men would burn the kingdom before letting a woman ascend the iron throne,that was her being very realistic and practical.
All this comes down to viserys being naive,something that had not been done before in westeros,why would he think that things would change and people would just accept it,oh wait..you said because he's king and his word is final abi .

I believe I have adressed some of this earlier, in westeros, the power of the king is absolute to the point that his word is law, any noble who thinks otherwise must have the means in clout, gold and arms to back up their defiance or rebellion, Jaeherys also had same autocratic powers but wanted a male successor to his throne in Viserys as against the proper line of descent represented by Rhaenys, he couldn't bring himself to disinherit Rhaenys by his own authority hence he handed over that task to the lords of the realm who were all almost entirely male knowing they will choose Viserys, he did that to absolve himself of guilt towards Rhaenys but mind you, the authority to choose his successor the lords of the realm exercised was granted by him. So Viserys deciding rhaenyra was good enough to succeed him was exclusively his choice to make and if these lords of the realm had any problem with it they should have been bold enough to challenge his decision when he was alive, they didn't because they knew that authority didn't rest with them.
When rhaenyra was insecure after the birth of aegon, her insecurity was exclusively with her father with whom the decision of her status rested and when he reaffirmed her, her insecurity vanished. And the comment of princess Rhaenys to rhaenyra was from her own personal experience, if it had been allowed to go to war houses baratheon and velaryon both led by men would have fought for her and others would have too depending on how good her politics was, so it was not only about patriarchy, it was also about politics and political affiliation, houses stark, arryn and velaryon in the camp of the blacks currently are also led by men as are the late lords beesbury and the hanged lord whose name I have forgotten