Lawag3:


He doesn't only know the outcome he knows all the outcomes which is the true definition of all knowing and he is merciful enough to let us choose how we want our lives to be so we won't be able to blame him when things don't go our way

If he knows all outcomes then you have no free will.
If he allows you to choose that means he doesn’t know all outcomes.
You are contradicting yourself

Maynnmaan:


If he knows all outcomes then you have no free will.
If he allows you to choose that means he doesn’t know all outcomes.
You are contradicting yourself

Wait what are you trying to prove exactly? that if you die a horrible death or your life turns out to be horrible that it's all God's fault or what do you believe this life is scripted?
We humans are special the bible says that we are a little bit lower than angels just because we have free will and we are not going to have it forever because when we die it is over.

Lawag3:


Wait what are you trying to prove exactly? that if you die a horrible death or your life turns out to be horrible that it's all God's fault or what do you believe this life is scripted?
We humans are special the bible says that we are a little bit lower than angels just because we have free will and we are not going to have it forever because when we die it is over.

What do you understand by “all knowing” and “beginning and end?”
A movie producer knows all that will happen in his movie, he knows the beginning and how it will end, he knows who will die, how they will die and when they will die.

So angels don’t have free will, how then did some angels rebel against yahweh?
Was it yahweh that made them to do it, so the movie can have yahweh as protagonist and satan as antagonist?

Maynnmaan:

What do you understand by “all knowing” and “beginning and end?”

So angels don’t have free will, how then did some angels rebel against yahweh?
Was it yahweh that made them to do it, so the movie can have yahweh as protagonist and satan as antagonist?

Angels use to have free will but it was taken away from them after the rebellion that's why Satan can never be good again and angels can never rebel again anyway this is a story for another day
The beginning and end means that God is the beginning and the end of all things. In other words, he always was God and he always will be God.

Nothing exists that God did not create (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16). He was God even before heaven and earth existed (Genesis 1:1). It was he who created these things by his Word, by his wisdom and by his great power (Proverbs 8:22-31).

We live in an age when people and devils oppose God by their evil deeds. They foolishly try to defeat God, but they can never succeed (Psalm 2:1-7). Even in this evil age, God remains God. Even in this age, he alone has all power (Colossians 1:17).

The Book of Revelation says much about the end of all things, especially in chapters 21 and 22. Even heaven and earth will not last (2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 21:1), but God’s power and authority can never end. When the present age ends, God will again establish his complete rule over all things. He will punish those who do evil things, both devils and people; but he will live with his people. Then his people will no longer suffer; they will never again know tears or pain or death (21:4). That is the perfect world that God wants; and that perfect age will never end .
All knowing (Omniscience) means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.The prefix ''omni'' comes from the Latin for ''all

Maynnmaan:

What do you understand by “all knowing” and “beginning and end?”
A movie producer knows all that will happen in his movie, he knows the beginning and how it will end, he knows who will die, how they will die and when they will die.

So angels don’t have free will, how then did some angels rebel against yahweh?
Was it yahweh that made them to do it, so the movie can have yahweh as protagonist and satan as antagonist?

Wait what are you trying to prove exactly? that if you die a horrible death or your life turns out to be horrible that it's all God's fault or what do you believe this life is scripted? answer this question

Lawag3:


Angels use to have free will but it was taken away from them after the rebellion that's why Satan can never be good again and angels can never rebel again anyway this is a story for another day
The beginning and end means that God is the beginning and the end of all things. In other words, he always was God and he always will be God.

Nothing exists that God did not create (John 1:1-3; Colossians 1:16). He was God even before heaven and earth existed (Genesis 1:1). It was he who created these things by his Word, by his wisdom and by his great power (Proverbs 8:22-31).

We live in an age when people and devils oppose God by their evil deeds. They foolishly try to defeat God, but they can never succeed (Psalm 2:1-7). Even in this evil age, God remains God. Even in this age, he alone has all power (Colossians 1:17).

The Book of Revelation says much about the end of all things, especially in chapters 21 and 22. Even heaven and earth will not last (2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 21:1), but God’s power and authority can never end. When the present age ends, God will again establish his complete rule over all things. He will punish those who do evil things, both devils and people; but he will live with his people. Then his people will no longer suffer; they will never again know tears or pain or death (21:4). That is the perfect world that God wants; and that perfect age will never end .
All knowing (Omniscience) means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future. Nothing takes him by surprise. His knowledge is total. He knows all that there is to know and all that can be known.The prefix ''omni'' comes from the Latin for ''all

So your all knowing god waited for satan to rebel to revoke the “free will” of other angels, he’s more reactive than proactive.

How did he arrive to the beginning and end of all things if he doesn’t know the outcomes of all things?
You quoting some random books to defend your yahweh is not actually brilliant, it’s just like me quoting theogony to defend how powerful greek gods are.

Everyone wants a perfect life just like your yahweh wants a perfect world, but nobody including your yahweh know what will happen.
If your god is beginning and end he won’t be hoping for the world to be “perfect”, he will already know exactly how the world will be till the end.


The book of revelation that almost didn’t make it to bible?
https://www.nairaland.com/7382665/how-revelation-got-into-bible

Lawag3:
Wait what are you trying to prove exactly? that if you die a horrible death or your life turns out to be horrible that it's all God's fault or what do you believe this life is scripted? answer this question

What do you understand by “all knowing” and “beginning and end?”
They are English words, look up the meaning.

A movie producer knows all that will happen in his movie, he knows the beginning and how it will end, he knows who will die, how they will die and when they will die.

Maynnmaan:

What do you understand by “all knowing” and “beginning and end?”
They are English words, look up the meaning.

A movie producer knows all that will happen in his movie, he knows the beginning and how it will end, he knows who will die, how they will die and when they will die.

Oga I answered your question answer mine

Lawag3:

Oga I answered your question answer mine

According to you “ All knowing (Omniscience) means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future”

If he is aware of the future, while we are in the present making decisions, how then do you have free will?

Maynnmaan:


So your all knowing god waited for satan to rebel to revoke the “free will” of other angels, he’s more reactive than proactive.

How did he arrive to the beginning and end of all things if he doesn’t know the outcomes of all things?
You quoting some random books to defend your yahweh is not actually brilliant, it’s just like me quoting theogony to defend how powerful greek gods are.

Everyone wants a perfect life just like your yahweh wants a perfect world, but nobody including your yahweh know what will happen.
If your god is beginning and end he won’t be hoping for the world to be “perfect”, he will already know exactly how the world will be till the end.


The book of revelation that almost didn’t make it to bible?
https://www.nairaland.com/7382665/how-revelation-got-into-bible

The council of niciea was to argue the trinity not all that this will be argued later
Beginning and end doesn't mean you must know all but God is the beginning and end which means he is God today God yesterday And God forever and he is also all knowing Whis means he knows everything ,Total ,All.

Lawag3:


The council of niciea was to argue the trinity not all that this will be argued later
Beginning and end doesn't mean you must know all but God is the beginning and end which means he is God today God yesterday And God forever and he is also all knowing Whis means he knows everything ,Total ,All.

The council of nicea didn’t argue trinity, they were arguing how they should potray jesus, and tertulian trinity concept won.

If you don’t know all that will happen in the beginning and end, how then did you arrive at the end?
That means your end is not complete, you lack all information to arrive at the end.
If he knows everything that means you have no free will, if he doesn’t know everything that means he is not all knowing.

If not for religion indoctrination, this is quite simple.

Maynnmaan:


According to you “ All knowing (Omniscience) means all-knowing. God is all all-knowing in the sense that he is aware of the past, present, and future”

If he is aware of the future, while we are in the present making decisions, how then do you have free will?

Because we determine our future(which is free will) although he knows all that can possibly happen in that future he won't force us to choose what he wants. Don't forget my questions.

Lawag3:

Because we determine our future(which is free will) although he knows all that can possibly happen in that future he won't force us to choose what he wants. Don't forget my questions.

If we determine our future that means your creator yahweh doesn’t know exactly the future. He can only wait until we determine it.

I can also guess different possible outcomes of what will happen in the future, but I don’t know exactly what will happen.
If I’m all knowing that means I already know exactly what will happen in the end not what will “POSSIBLE HAPPEN” that’s gambling.

Which questions, you are yet to answer me what “beginning and end” and “ all knowing” means, they are English words.
Define them like a literate.

Maynnmaan:


The council of nicea didn’t argue trinity, they were arguing how they should potray jesus, and tertulian trinity concept won.

If you don’t know all that will happen in the beginning and end, how then did you arrive at the end?
That means your end is not complete, you lack all information to arrive at the end.
If he knows everything that means you have no free will, if he doesn’t know everything that means he is not all knowing.

If not for religion indoctrination, this is quite simple.

Ask yourself are we at the end yet? You are saying it as if I said God knows your beginning and your end I never said that I said is God himself is the beginning and end I have told you what this means.
What God said is that I'm omniscience which means to know all you know the meaning of all right

Lawag3:


Ask yourself are we at the end yet? You are saying it as if I said God knows your beginning and your end I never said that I said is God himself is the beginning and end I have told you what this means.
What God said is that I'm omniscience which means to know all you know the meaning of all right

So if your god doesn’t know humans beginning and end, how then is he “all knowing”?

If he knows ALL, that means he knows what has already happened in the future. He knows ALL your decisions before you make them.
An all knowing god doesn’t rely on “possible outcomes” that’s gambling.

Maynnmaan:

If we determine our future that means your creator yahweh doesn’t know exactly the future. He can only wait until we determine it.

I can also guess different possible outcomes of what will happen in the future, but I don’t know exactly what will happen.
If I’m all knowing that means I already know exactly what will happen in the end not what will “POSSIBLE HAPPEN” that’s gambling.

Which questions, you are yet to answer me what “beginning and end” and “ all knowing” means, they are English words.
Define them like a literate.

In gambling people people don't know the outcome God knows how your life can turn out but it's up to you. You can guess but you don't know if it will turn out like that God knows how it will turn out. your possible outcomes in this life could be 20 Gods knows all mine could be 3 God knows all 3 another person could be 50 God knows all 50
This is called guessing or gambling this is knowing all

Lawag3:


In gambling people people don't know the outcome God knows how your life can turn out but it's up to you. You can guess but you don't know if it will turn out like that God knows how it will turn out. your possible outcomes in this life could be 20 Gods knows all mine could be 3 God knows all 3 another person could be 50 God knows all 50

In gambling people know possible outcomes.
If god knows how your life can turn out that means you have no free will, before you even made any decision your god already knows how your life will turn out .

A football match can score 2,3,10, we know possible outcomes but we don’t know exact outcome.
An all knowing god won’t be waiting for possible outcome, he knows exactly the scoreline before they even started the match.

You are describing a gambler that has different options to pick but doesn’t know the exact one that will turn out to be right, if he doesn’t know the exact one then how does he know the future?
With which option did he create the future that he knows?

Maynnmaan:

So if your god doesn’t know humans beginning and end, how then is he “all knowing”?

If he knows ALL, that means he knows what has already happened in the future. He knows ALL your decisions before you make them.
An all knowing god doesn’t rely on “possible outcomes” that’s gambling.

Have you watched avengers infinity war in a scene doctor strange knew all the possible outcomes of their fight with Thanos he saw that they only won once that is if they follow a particular way he knew all possible outcomes he knew that they could lose if they don't follow a particular way and vice versa
Same with God

Lawag3:

Have you watched avengers infinity war in a scene doctor strange knew all the possible outcomes of their fight with Thanos he saw that they only won once that is if they follow a particular way he knew all possible outcomes he knew that they could lose if they don't follow a particular way and vice versa
Same with God

So before the fight started he knows exactly how the fight will go, who will get punched and not?
He knew the exact outcome if they followed a particular way, he was not hoping on possible outcome.

Read what you typed bro

Maynnmaan:


In gambling people know possible outcomes.
If god knows how your life can turn out that means you have no free will, before you even made any decision your god already knows how your life will turn out .

A football match can score 2,3,10, we know possible outcomes but we don’t know exact outcome.
An all knowing god won’t be waiting for possible outcome, he knows exactly the scoreline before they even started the match.

You are describing a gambler that has different options to pick but doesn’t know the exact one that will turn out to be right, if he doesn’t know the exact one then how does he know the future?
With which option did he create the future that he knows?

yeah because a match doesn't have free will even the players don't get to choose the outcome if not it is fix humans are not football matches
No a gambler knows all the outcome and he gets to pick any outcome by luck. While God gave the right to pick to us that is free will we decide our lives not God in gambling the gambler also decides although by luck but since we have free will God doesn't decide for us although he knows all possible outcome

Maynnmaan:

So before the fight started he knows exactly how the fight will go, who will get punched and not?
He knew the exact outcome if they followed a particular way, he was not hoping on possible outcome.

Read what you typed bro

You know what I'm do with you think over all I have said let a neutral person see this and decide who is right. I need to rest good night

Lawag3:
yeah because a match doesn't have free will even the players don't get to choose the outcome if not it is fix humans are not football matches
No a gambler knows all the outcome and he gets to pick any outcome by luck. While God gave the right to pick to us that is free will we decide our lives not God in gambling the gambler also decides although by luck but since we have free will God doesn't decide for us although he knows all possible outcome

The players has free will that’s why nobody knows the outcome, if the match was fixed they will play exactly how the match was to go hence no free will.
What are you doing bro?

If your god knows everything and the future that means you have no free will.
If your god gave right to pick that means he doesn’t know everything, he doesn’t know how the end and future will be he only has possible outcomes, just like how a gambler has possible outcomes of match..

Lawag3:


You know what I'm do with you think over all I have said let a neutral person see this and decide who is right. I need to rest good night

It’s you that should think over, not with indoctrination but with literate mind, first start with the definition of “beginning, end and all knowing”.
An all knowing god knows what will happen not possible things that will happen.
A gambler that won a ticket knew possible outcomes but didn’t know the exact outcome, are we going to call the gambler all knowing because he got the correct outcome?

jetwonder:


God does not live in Heaven, He created Heaven and Earth the same day.

God created the heavens and the earth meaning the "universe" in the beginning.

OLAADEGBU:


God created the heavens and the earth meaning the "universe" in the beginning.

You mean heaven and earth only comprises of “universe”? What about saturn and other planets?

Have you seen the size of earth?

Maynnmaan:


You mean heaven and earth only comprises of “universe”? What about saturn?

Have you seen the size of earth?

If you don't understand the word "Universe" let me give you "Cosmos." Both of them are included in the Cosmos.

OLAADEGBU:


If you don't understand the word "Universe" let me give you "Cosmos." Both of them are included in the Cosmos.

“God created the heavens and the earth meaning the "universe" in the beginning.”

So you mean only heaven and earth comprise of “universe”?
Do you think the sun is on earth?

Heard of multiverse?

Maynnmaan:


“God created the heavens and the earth meaning the "universe" in the beginning.”

So you mean only heaven and earth comprise of universe?
Do you think the sun is on earth?

Heard of multiverse?

Do you know the difference between "heaven" and "heavens?

OLAADEGBU:


Do you know the difference between "heaven" and "heavens?

Do you know what “heaven” means?

Maynnmaan:


Do you know what “heaven” means?

Yes, do you?

OLAADEGBU:


Yes, do you?

It’s an English word.

Maynnmaan:


It’s an English word.

With that definition, what do you think it means in your own words?