elated177:


Can the "church" also be referred to as the "Body of the Messiah"?

Can number two be found in the Scriptures?

Claiming doesn't equate to actually being part of the Ekklesia, don't you agree?

Only one of the three is the TRUE Church. The one's bought with the Blood of the LAMB of God. The other two are human usage of the word church

elated177:



You twist and misinterpret the Scriptures a lot. Wow!

You probably have a different thing in mind. I just quoted scriptures!

TenQ:

1. The People saved by Christ
2. The Building used in Christian worship
3. The people who claim to be of Christ.

Considering Jesus Christ informed His followers that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church, I believe that means that His Church instead consists of those who enter into the Kingdom of God through the Narrow gate which leads to True Life as opposed to those who enter into the Kingdom of God through the Broad gate which leads to destruction- the Gate of Hell.

TenQ:

Only one of the three is the TRUE Church. The one's bought with the Blood of the LAMB of God. The other two are human usage of the word church

Are these sets of people chosen by GOD Alone or we have been given the power to convert men. Reason is REV 13 VS 8 Says that EVERYONE WILL WORSHIP THE BEAST EXCEPT THOSE WHOSE NAMES HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH WOULD BE SAVED.

Lighthouse50:
Are these sets of people chosen by GOD Alone or we have been given the power to convert men. Reason is REV 13 VS 8 Says that EVERYONE WILL WORSHIP THE BEAST EXCEPT THOSE WHOSE NAMES HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH WOULD BE SAVED.

The TRUE church of Christ is ANYONE who has come to Christ for his Salvation and thus has been bought by Christ with His blood on the Cross.

Even though they came to Christ by God's power of foreknowledge of what YOU/THEY will DO with Christ's Gift (not predestination,) God foreknew them . By this reason your name is either in in or not in the book of life.

1Pet 1:2:
"You who are chosen and foreknown by God the Father. You have been sanctified by the Spirit to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood. Grace and peace be greatly increased to you."

elated177:


Can the "church" also be referred to as the "Body of the Messiah"?

Can number two be found in the Scriptures?

Claiming doesn't equate to actually being part of the Ekklesia, don't you agree?

Only this
1. The People saved by Christ: the people whose name are in the Lamb's book of life.




Is the TRUE body of the Messiah. Any other thing called "church" is NOT!

TenQ:

Only this
1. The People saved by Christ: the people whose name are in the Lamb's book of life.




Is the TRUE body of the Messiah. Any other thing called "church" is NOT!

So, you agree with me that no worshipper of Satan or the demons is part of the Body of the Messiah, his Ekklesia?

TenQ:


Finally, those who are to be saved are in several stages of hardness of heart. Some are already broken and a word like Jesus loves you will win them over to Christ. Some need a great deal of persistence and some need to be bulldozed to yield. Let everyone do his bit in the work of evangelism.

TenQ, didn't you twist the parable of the sower here. Do you believe that it is place of the messenger to convert his hearer? Isn't that the role of the Set-apart Spirit?

TenQ:

You probably have a different thing in mind. I just quoted scriptures!

Go through your own assertions and you will see you how you manipulate Scriptures.

TenQ:

The TRUE church of Christ is ANYONE who has come to Christ for his Salvation and thus has been bought by Christ with His blood on the Cross.

Even though they came to Christ by God's power of foreknowledge of what YOU/THEY will DO with Christ's Gift (not predestination,) God foreknew them . By this reason your name is either in in or not in the book of life.

1Pet 1:2:
"You who are chosen and foreknown by God the Father. You have been sanctified by the Spirit to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood. Grace and peace be greatly increased to you."

Thanks

TenQ:

Only one of the three is the TRUE Church. The one's bought with the Blood of the LAMB of God. The other two are human usage of the word church

Do you agree with me that simply because they call whatever it is they call church doesn't mean it is the Body of the Messiah?

TenQ:

You probably have a different thing in mind. I just quoted scriptures!

Where did you get the below from? Did Yahushua the Messiah say such?

TenQ:

2. Secondly, in the Church is both the strangers and the children. But for now, they have to grow together

elated177:


Do you agree with me that simply because they call whatever it is they call church doesn't mean it is the Body of the Messiah?

How many times do you want me to repeat the same thing. You seem poised for an argument

elated177:


Go through your own assertions and you will see you how you manipulate Scriptures.

Doesn't the scripture explain itself?
I didn't even put a comment of my own

elated177:


TenQ, didn't you twist the parable of the sower here. Do you believe that it is place of the messenger to convert his hearer? Isn't that the role of the Set-apart Spirit?

Explain the parable of the wheat and tares!

elated177:



So, you agree with me that no worshipper of Satan or the demons is part of the Body of the Messiah, his Ekklesia?

Did I say anything of such ??

Lighthouse50:
Are these sets of people chosen by GOD Alone or we have been given the power to convert men. Reason is REV 13 VS 8 Says that EVERYONE WILL WORSHIP THE BEAST EXCEPT THOSE WHOSE NAMES HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THE LAMB'S BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH WOULD BE SAVED.

No human being has the power to convert another man. The best we can to is to PREACH and if our message is accepted to followup through TEACHING and DISCIPLING!

Conversion is done by the Holy Spirit to those who hearken to the message of the Gospel

Kobojunkie:
Considering Jesus Christ informed His followers that the gates of Hell will not prevail against His Church, I believe that means that His Church instead consists of those who enter into the Kingdom of God through the Narrow gate which leads to True Life as opposed to those who enter into the Kingdom of God through the Broad gate which leads to destruction- the Gate of Hell.

Yes!
The people SAVED by Christ Alone are the church

TenQ:

The TRUE church of Christ is ANYONE who has come to Christ for his Salvation and thus has been bought by Christ with His blood on the Cross.

Even though they came to Christ by God's power of foreknowledge of what YOU/THEY will DO with Christ's Gift (not predestination,) God foreknew them . By this reason your name is either in in or not in the book of life.

1Pet 1:2:
"You who are chosen and foreknown by God the Father. You have been sanctified by the Spirit to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with his blood. Grace and peace be greatly increased to you."

I am afraid even this is also not true.

The bought refers to those ransomed/redeemed from God's Old Covenant Law of Moses and they can be none other than the believers who are of Jewish decent. The debt they owed to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses was paid off by Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross as a result of the purchase hence the reason they are refered to as the Bought/redeemed/ransomed in scripture. And yes, much of the Epistles were directed at an audience of primarily Jewish believers.

For once, lets us try to calm and see others point of view which might be of help to our old views of a topic

TenQ:

Did I say anything of such ??

You don't agree with me?

TenQ:

Explain the parable of the wheat and tares!

Isn't the explanation given by the Messiah?

TenQ:

How many times do you want me to repeat the same thing. You seem poised for an argument

I am glad we are on the same page on this.

elated177:



Isn't the explanation given by the Messiah?

Why do you feign something different. Jesus said, "let them grow together!"

Until the harvest!
Then there'll be a separation

TenQ:

Why do you feign something different. Jesus said, "let them grow together!"

Until the harvest!
Then there'll be a separation

I am not feigning anything, TenQ. Show me where Yahushua the Messiah said that both the wheat and the weed (his servants and the servants of Satan) should grow together in his "Church". That is all.

elated177:


I am not feigning anything, TenQ. Show me where Yahushua the Messiah said that both the wheat and the weed (his servants and the servants of Satan) should grow together in his "Church". That is all.

Matthew 13:24
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said to him, Sir, did not you sow good seed in your field? from where then has it tares? He said to them, An enemy has done this. The servants said to him, Will you then that we go and gather them up? But he said, No; lest while you gather up the tares, you root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Goodnight!

Lighthouse50:
Good day great nairalanders. I have pondered over and over of these saying "I USE SOCIAL MEDIA TO WIN SOULS" And have wondered if it has really worked as claimed.
I in turn see the destruction of souls rather than being saved cos many willing and hot christians are now becoming weak by the day, most preachings of diffent MOG'S Are not heard and even if heard by few, doesnt change the life of many.
If people you speak to face to face are finding it hard to believe, how much more online? I just want to know the opinion of people on this matter.

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Only GOD truly knows them that are His by His grace... 2 Timothy 2:19

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." - Romans 10:17

"For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater: So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." - Isaiah 55:10-11

TenQ:

Matthew 13:24
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said to him, Sir, did not you sow good seed in your field? from where then has it tares? He said to them, An enemy has done this. The servants said to him, Will you then that we go and gather them up? But he said, No; lest while you gather up the tares, you root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather you together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Goodnight!

Grow together where? In his Body - his Ekklesia?

elated177:



Grow together where? In his Body - his Ekklesia?

On your head

TenQ:

On your head

Answer the question, TenQ. Have you realized your error?

Saved from what?

sonmvayina:
Saved from what?

Yahweh and the rest of the monsters under their beds.