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Olambees:
2. Jesus was arrested, tried and then condemned to die on the cross. He was taken to Golgotha where he was then offered wine to dull the pain (Mark 15:22-27), but he refused since he still held hope that his prayers would be answered and that he would not die on the cross; an accursed death. As the hours dragged on, Jesus felt himself slipping into unconsciousness, fearing that God may have abandoned him, he cries out: “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach-thani?” meaning, “My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34) he knew God would heed the call and prayer of His Prophet and Messiah, yet he could feel his strength wavering and perhaps saw no other opportunity of surviving the ordeal, he cried out to God, “Why have You forsaken me?”

3. On the Sabbath, which would begin at dusk on Friday (i.e. Preparation day) was approaching, and therefore the criminals on the cross had to be taken down and killed immediately according to Jewish law. The two thieves on either side of Jesus were executed, but the soldiers saw that Jesus was unconscious and thought him already dead, but to ensure that he was not faking it, they pierced his side with a spear, resulting in a sudden flow of blood and water (John 19:31-34), a sure sign that his heart was still pumping and that he was alive. The eyewitness was doubtless surprised to see so much blood pouring out from a supposedly dead body through a minor scratch wound, and aptly expressed his surprise.

2. The statement in bold is a farce of your assumptions or probably fed to you by others to whom you submit your mind for reasons best known to you.

When Jesus Christ said, on the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?", He, Jesus Christ, contrary to the popular narrative you lot are fed, was not crying out for help at all. As you rightly pointed out earlier, Jesus Christ was sentenced to die a cursed death— he was hung on the tree to die—, by His own people. And what that meant was that He was condemned/forsaken by the Almighty as a result of handing on the cross to die. However, He, Jesus Christ, had previously explained in John 10 vs 14 - 18 that not only did He volunteer to be put to death — a lamb led to slaughter—, but it was also by His authority, His power, that He laid down His life only to pick it back up on the third day.

14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,
15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
17 For this reason the Father loves me, because I lay down my life that I may take it up again.
18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have [the] authority to lay it down, and I have [the] authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.” - John 10 vs 14 - 18

And as Jesus Christ explained in the passage above, He did it all -- He obeyed His Father--- in order that He might receive the glory in store for Him. That was the deal He had with the Father. So, the narrative that speaks of Jesus Christ as helpless on the cross, and crying out for help from the Father is a lie. Instead, He is written to have overcome the curse and death by the third day when He rose. So, Jesus Christ didn't ask the father for help, nor did the Father have any need to help Him since, as He said, it was all by His own authority that He underwent it all in order to obtain glory.

3. I am afraid you are in error here as well. If you actually read the story from all 4 Gospels— Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—, you would find that Jesus Christ was instead put on the cross on the day after Passover which is considered the First day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, a Jewish Holiday — also a "preparation day" as the Law required the Jews not to have any yeast in their homes for every day of the festival, this in addition to eating only unleaved bread for the entire Passover week. So, to understand the story, you have to think of the poem about the "six blind men and the elephant", carefully combining the different narratives together into one block to solve the puzzle.

14 “This day shall be for you a memorial day, and you shall keep it as a feast to the Lord; throughout your generations, as a statute forever, you shall keep it as a feast.
15 Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread. On the first day you shall remove leaven out of your houses, for if anyone eats what is leavened, from the first day until the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.
16 On the first day you shall hold a holy assembly, and on the seventh day a holy assembly. No work shall be done on those days. But what everyone needs to eat, that alone may be prepared by you.
17 And you shall observe the Feast of Unleavened Bread, for on this very day I brought your hosts out of the land of Egypt. Therefore you shall observe this day, throughout your generations, as a statute forever.
18 In the first month, from the fourteenth day of the month at evening, you shall eat unleavened bread until the twenty-first day of the month at evening.
19 For seven days no leaven is to be found in your houses. If anyone eats what is leavened, that person will be cut off from the congregation of Israel, whether he is a sojourner or a native of the land.
20 You shall eat nothing leavened; in all your dwelling places you shall eat unleavened bread.” - Exodus 12 vs 14 - 20

I intentionally skipped over the other entries in order that I could focus mainly on the claims that appeal to me at this time. Maybe something in the future, I may come back to the others.

Olambees:
4. Since the Roman soldiers saw no movement and thought him dead, they reported it to their superiors, and so Jesus was given over to his disciples, namely Joseph of Arimithea and Nicodemus, who then applied 100 pounds of myrrh and aloe on his body (John 19:38-42). The two herbs are significant and very important as they show further proof that the disciples knew that Jesusas was still alive, since both herbs have healing properties and were used as medicine in the ancient world.

For you to know Aloe Vera is very powerful healing herbs, you can Google search it.... Aloe is a genus containing about 500 species, the most common one being Aloe Vera and grows in Africa and the Middle East. It is very valuable, so much so that the great thinker “Aristotle, being aware that the healing properties of Aloe would be invaluable to soldiers wounded in battle, advised his student Alexander III (‘the Great’) to conquer all lands that grew it, especially the island of Socotra off the coast of Eastern Africa […] Pedanius Dioscorides, a physician in the Roman army, mentioned medicinal Aloes in his encyclopaedic Greek herbal De Materia Medica (Approximately around 75 BC)”

This was certainly not the Jewish burial practise; simple oils were applied to the body for cleaning purposes, but not expensive medicines. This was for the purpose of healing Jesus’ wounds and stop the bleeding. And so the two disciples who took away Jesus’ body knew that he was still alive and had planned his rescue, they brought along with them huge amounts of herbs and medicines to wrap Jesus’ body, and to stop the excessive bleeding. and I can tell you, a dead body can never bleed

4. What you have there amounts to gobbledegook!

But before we get to our British research, we must first turn to Rome. What do we know of the funereal use of resins in the heart of the Empire? Most of our information comes from the classical authors, primarily writing in the period from the 1st century BC to 2nd century AD. They provide tantalising hints that costly aromatic plant products — including cinnamon, spikenard, frankincense, and myrrh – were used during the funus: the period between death and burial. These substances appear to have been employed in various ways. They were infused in oils and unguents used to anoint the body of the deceased, piled upon the bier to delay decomposition and mask the odour of decay during the laying out and funeral procession, and scattered onto the pyre or into the tomb along with other offerings such as wine, milk and grain to provide succour for the dead.
https://archaeology.co.uk/articles/features/the-fragrant-dead-how-to-treat-your-dead-the-roman-way.htm

Olambees:
Ok, let me first of all present five proof from the Bible.,...

1. Do you know that before the accused crucifixion of Christ, Jesus went to a place called Gethsemane....After Jesus discovered the plan of the Jewish priests to have him crucified on the cross like a criminal, he immediately went off to a private location to pray. He chose the Garden of Gethsemane and prayed to God to foil the plans of the enemies (Matthew 26:36-46). He was greatly “distressed and troubled”; he sought solitude, and prayed for hours, falling on his face as one would do in Islam (prostration). He prayed that God removes this “cup” from him (Matthew 20:22), i.e. remove that part of his destiny of which God was in control. Jesus wasn’t concerned over his own life, but feared the plan of the Jewish priests; the public execution. If such a plan went ahead, it would have brought the Divine mission of Jesus to an end – his disciples and all those who believed him to be the Messiah would abandon such belief, and it would have meant that Jesus died an “accursed death”. (Deuteronomy 21:22).....Does the above sound like a man whose sole purpose of coming to the earth was to die on the cross? In fact, the Promised Messiah goes on to explain the incompatibility of the above event and the Christian doctrine of atonement. I will explain further in my concluding part that his prayer at Gethsemane was answered because if Jesus Christ would have cried bitterly and pray for something and God didn't answered him, then who are we to pray to God for help thinking it will be accepted....

2. Jesus was arrested, tried and then condemned to die on the cross. He was taken to Golgotha where he was then offered wine to dull the pain (Mark 15:22-27), but he refused since he still held hope that his prayers would be answered and that he would not die on the cross; an accursed death. As the hours dragged on, Jesus felt himself slipping into unconsciousness, fearing that God may have abandoned him, he cries out: “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabach-thani?” meaning, “My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?” (Mark 15:34) he knew God would heed the call and prayer of His Prophet and Messiah, yet he could feel his strength wavering and perhaps saw no other opportunity of surviving the ordeal, he cried out to God, “Why have You forsaken me?”

3. On the Sabbath, which would begin at dusk on Friday (i.e. Preparation day) was approaching, and therefore the criminals on the cross had to be taken down and killed immediately according to Jewish law. The two thieves on either side of Jesus were executed, but the soldiers saw that Jesus was unconscious and thought him already dead, but to ensure that he was not faking it, they pierced his side with a spear, resulting in a sudden flow of blood and water (John 19:31-34), a sure sign that his heart was still pumping and that he was alive. The eyewitness was doubtless surprised to see so much blood pouring out from a supposedly dead body through a minor scratch wound, and aptly expressed his surprise.

4. Since the Roman soldiers saw no movement and thought him dead, they reported it to their superiors, and so Jesus was given over to his disciples, namely Joseph of Arimithea and Nicodemus, who then applied 100 pounds of myrrh and aloe on his body (John 19:38-42). The two herbs are significant and very important as they show further proof that the disciples knew that Jesusas was still alive, since both herbs have healing properties and were used as medicine in the ancient world.

For you to know Aloe Vera is very powerful healing herbs, you can Google search it.... Aloe is a genus containing about 500 species, the most common one being Aloe Vera and grows in Africa and the Middle East. It is very valuable, so much so that the great thinker “Aristotle, being aware that the healing properties of Aloe would be invaluable to soldiers wounded in battle, advised his student Alexander III (‘the Great’) to conquer all lands that grew it, especially the island of Socotra off the coast of Eastern Africa […] Pedanius Dioscorides, a physician in the Roman army, mentioned medicinal Aloes in his encyclopaedic Greek herbal De Materia Medica (Approximately around 75 BC)”

This was certainly not the Jewish burial practise; simple oils were applied to the body for cleaning purposes, but not expensive medicines. This was for the purpose of healing Jesus’ wounds and stop the bleeding. And so the two disciples who took away Jesus’ body knew that he was still alive and had planned his rescue, they brought along with them huge amounts of herbs and medicines to wrap Jesus’ body, and to stop the excessive bleeding. and I can tell you, a dead body can never bleed

5. Finally, after recovering somewhat from his wounds and being able to walk, Jesus appears to his disciples. Some of them weren’t in on the plan and did not know he survived, they thought him to be a ghost! (Luke 24:39). But Jesus quickly removed their doubt and showed him his wounds and told them that it was him in the “flesh”. He was hungry as well and asked for some food and then ate in front of them.
What could this mean? Is this Jesusas raised from the dead? With the same wounds and hungry? Doesn’t the above sound like the same Jesusas who taught his disciples? He is naturally comforting them.

Remember I said Jesus was saved,.... Read through the book of Hebrews (Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

From this verse one can say the prayer was answered.

Jesus never died....... If you want another proof aside these, I'm here to give you more than 20 proof he did not die and he was alive.

I am not sure you know the meaning of proof.
All you have expressed are your strange opinions. Do yourself a favor are find out the meaning of proof.

tctrills:
I am not sure you know the meaning of proof.
All you have expressed are your strange opinions. Do yourself a favor are find out the meaning of proof.

He has used proof from the bible...

So Jesus is alive ok what about Muhammad is he alive or DEAD?

sonmvayina:
He has used proof from the bible...

He had not

MaxInDHouse:
So Jesus is alive ok what about Muhammad is he alive or DEAD?

No he is not..

He is just a made up character from a story that makes zero sense
.
Muhammed too....

He probably was made up too...the earliest people who started the religion has no knowledge of Muhammad..

Islam grew out from disgruntled Christians who does not fancy the trinity ideology in main stream Christianity.

You might want to Google Nestorianism..

Thanks Mr. Reincarnation please allow the Muhammedan to respond!

sonmvayina:
No he is not..

He is just a made up character from a story that makes zero sense
.
Muhammed too....

He probably was made up too...the earliest people who started the religion has no knowledge of Muhammad..

Islam grew out from disgruntled Christians who does not fancy the trinity ideology in main stream Christianity.

You might want to Google Nestorianism..

Dtruthspeaker:
See Madness!

One group of people who know when a person is dead is soldiers.

And the soldiers still did exactly what they do to check whether a person is dead, by puncturing the body to release air.

Who can even survive that 24 hours of torture for the last food he ate was more than 24 hours back before give and take, 3 hours past before he was arrested.

Then plus minus 2 hours passed before he was take to the Pharisee Court.

Then trial, let say 1 hour. Before his first conviction.

Before he was transferred to governors court, ....

Even before He got the cross He was already dying which is why He fell down and could not even carry His cross.

So, you are talking absolute insanity and refined rubbish!

You'll notice he deliberately did not quote that Jesus Christ after his last words EXPIRED

Aemmyjah:
You'll notice he deliberately did not quote that Jesus Christ after his last words EXPIRED

Was the person an eye witness ?

sonmvayina:
Was the person an eye witness ?

You better allow Max to school you
You don't believe Jesus existed
Yet you want to come and put mouth in what you don't know
Your comments are baseless

I hope you heard of Josephus who was a known jewish historian. He wrote and acknowledge Jesus Christ as real

Aemmyjah:
You better allow Max to school you
You don't believe Jesus existed
Yet you want to come and put mouth in what you don't know
Your comments are baseless

I hope you heard of Josephus who was a known jewish historian. He wrote and acknowledge Jesus Christ as real

Sonmvayina has been totally blinded by his Jewish landlord who wants to convince him that Jesus is fake but his hatred for the churches of Christendom is the driving force behind his acceptance of the brainwashing stories that Jewish man told him.
So due to sonmvayina's hatred for colonialism he wants to remove Jesus from the scene just as his Jewish landlord infused the hatred in his head but what really baffles me is how sonmvayina thinks he is a teacher qualified to lecture people about faith in the God of the Jews yet he can't point to any scripture where the God of the Jews connected other nations for such educational program.
The one and only key that unlocks the door to learning about the God of Abraham for nations outside Israel is Jesus of Nazareth apart from Jesus no nation has anything to do with whatever the Israelites call their God because all is stories.

I have told him that Judaism is not the form of worship Moses laid down for the Israelites but a mixture Babylonian mythology with Jewish cultures after their return from Babylon that's why Jesus' teachings was hard for first century Jews to accept even though they knew that he's saying the truth and God is with him. John 3:2

So sonmvayina is the most pitiable person on this forum always arguing in support of Jewish traditions which has been mixed with Babylonian mythology that's why he couldn't separate reincarnation from resurrection!

MaxInDHouse:
Sonmvayina has been totally blinded by his Jewish landlord who wants to convince him that Jesus is fake but his hatred for the churches of Christendom is the driving force behind his acceptance of the brainwashing stories that Jewish man told him.
So due to sonmvayina's hatred for colonialism he wants to remove Jesus from the scene just as his Jewish landlord infused the hatred in his head but what really baffles me is how sonmvayina thinks he is a teacher qualified to lecture people about faith in the God of the Jews yet he can't point to any scripture where the God of the Jews connected other nations for such educational program.
The one and only key that unlocks the door to learning about the God of Abraham for nations outside Israel is Jesus of Nazareth apart from Jesus no nation has anything to do with whatever the Israelites call their God because all is stories.

I have told him that Judaism is not the form of worship Moses laid down for the Israelites but a mixture Babylonian mythology with Jewish cultures after their return from Babylon that's why Jesus' teachings was hard for first century Jews to accept even though they knew that he's saying the truth and God is with him. John 3:2

So sonmvayina is the most pitiable person on this forum always arguing in support of Jewish traditions which has been mixed with Babylonian mythology that's why he couldn't separate reincarnation from resurrection!

Him and antiislam

Aemmyjah:
Him and antiislam

Of course he won't like to hear anything from Muslims because they acknowledged Jesus of Nazareth whom his Jewish landlord condemned!

Aemmyjah:
You better allow Max to school you
You don't believe Jesus existed
Yet you want to come and put mouth in what you don't know
Your comments are baseless

I hope you heard of Josephus who was a known jewish historian. He wrote and acknowledge Jesus Christ as real

You did not answer my question.

Give me just one account of an eye witness to jesus of Nazareth. Don't tell me no one deemed it fit to actually document it.....

I will wait. That is the only thing that will convince me and shot me up...

sonmvayina:
You did not answer my question.

Give me just one account of an eye witness to jesus of Nazareth. Don't tell me no one deemed it fit to actually document it.....

I will wait. That is the only thing that will convince me and shot me up...

How do you do convince a blind man that viruses exists?
That there are different colors?

No one is disputing Mohammed, Buddha or Confucius existence but na this yeye Jew de dispute am
Even the Jews do not dispute Jesus Christ existence but only his actions

See the image below
Again
A blind man cannot be convinced about things in the natural world

Aemmyjah:
How do you do convince a blind man that viruses exists?
That there are different colors?

No one is disputing Mohammed, Buddha or Confucius existence but na this yeye Jew de dispute am
Even the Jews do not dispute Jesus Christ existence but only his actions

See the image below
Again
A blind man cannot be convinced about things in the natural world

Give me one person that actually saw him and what he said...not them say. Them say...

sonmvayina:
Give me one person that actually saw him and what he said...not them say. Them say...

Give me one person that actually say your great great grandfather and what he said...not them say. Them say...
If I drop it, I'll believe you had a grandfather

Aemmyjah:
Give me one person that actually say your great great grandfather and what he said...not them say. Them say...
If I drop it, I'll believe you had a grandfather

Sonmvayina is the most confused person here, the day i realized this was when i asked him if he believes Moses performed miracles and he couldn't speak boldly all because he doesn't want to acknowledge Jesus. Though he has learned so many things from me but due to the stubbornness in his heart he will not admit it. So leave him alone he is secretly learning from your comments.
How to know that sonmvayina follows secretly and learning from you, each time you comment on what he doesn't understand over the erroneous doctrines his Babylonian/Jewish landlord infuse in his head he will appear from nowhere asking you to explain certain things to him even if you ignore sonmvayina will persist as in BEGGING you.
That's how to IDENTIFY Nairalanders learning secretly through your comments!

Aemmyjah:
Give me one person that actually say your great great grandfather and what he said...not them say. Them say...
If I drop it, I'll believe you had a grandfather

Dummy...

I am here talking to you..I did not fall from the sky. I had a father who had a father, who also had a father...I have pictures of him...

Give me one of Jesus's children or grandchildren. ..what did they say about their father or grand father.

MaxInDHouse:
Sonmvayina is the most confused person here, the day i realized this was when i asked him if he believes Moses performed miracles and he couldn't speak boldly all because he doesn't want to acknowledge Jesus. Though he has learned so many things from me but due to the stubbornness in his heart he will not admit it. So leave him alone he is secretly learning from your comments.
How to know that sonmvayina follows secretly and learning from you, each time you comment on what he doesn't understand over the erroneous doctrines his Babylonian/Jewish landlord infuse in his head he will appear from nowhere asking you to explain certain things to him even if you ignore sonmvayina will persist as in BEGGING you.
That's how to IDENTIFY Nairalanders learning secretly through your comments!

Learning from a JW...I kiss mad??

When you guys are not even considered Christians.

Continue in your delusions....I was only trying to liberate you..

sonmvayina:
Continue in your delusions....I was only trying to liberate you..

I laughed in Spanish, you want free jw that has free will to think and reason.
Unlike u Christendom who is being control by yr so call papa & mummy G.O.

sonmvayina:
Learning from a JW...I kiss mad??
When you guys are not even considered Christians.
Continue in your delusions....I was only trying to liberate you..

OK i will no longer quote or mention you on this forum from now since you said you're not learning from me. Please can you also say the same?
If you can't then it means you're truly learning from me because it's obvious i will never ever agree with you so stop following, quoting, mentioning or stalking me!

MaxInDHouse:
OK i will no longer quote or mention you on this forum from now since you said you're not learning from me. Please can you also say the same?
If you can't then it means you're truly learning from me because it's obvious i will never ever agree with you so stop following, quoting, mentioning or stalking me!

Mention one thing you think I have learnt from you?

sonmvayina:
Mention one thing you think I have learnt from you?

Even after telling you to stop quoting me, shey?

OK i will remind you.

I taught you that one can never be a teacher if he/she has not been taught by another teacher and that one can never be a teacher without been ordered to go and TEACH.

That's why you can't point out any verse in the Tanak where your Jewish landlord was told to go and teach anyone the laws of his own nation.

But in Christianity those preaching and teaching were commissioned to do so by Christ Jesus.

So even though you wish everyone should agree with you on what you think is right there is no back up scripture asking you to preach or teach anyone!

MaxInDHouse:
Even after telling you to stop quoting me, shey?

OK i will remind you.

I taught you that one can never be a teacher if he/she has not been taught by another teacher and that one can never be a teacher without been ordered to go and TEACH.

That's why you can't point out any verse in the Tanak where your Jewish landlord was told to go and teach anyone the laws of his own nation.

But in Christianity those preaching and teaching were commissioned to do so by Christ Jesus.

So even though you wish everyone should agree with you on what you think is right there is no back up scripture asking you to preach or teach anyone!

Hahahahah.
I laugh in pidgin English..

You are not just serious at all..

sonmvayina:
Hahahahah.
I laugh in pidgin English..
You are not just serious at all..

OK go out there and TEACH people who will not ask you what makes you think you're qualified to TEACH or who sent you to TEACH?

MaxInDHouse:
OK go out there and TEACH people who will not ask you what makes you think you're qualified to TEACH or who sent you to TEACH?

God gave his laws to all of humanity...

What concerns me with the Jewish Torah..

I only show that Christianity is not derived from it...

I have my igbo omenani/odinani

sonmvayina:
God gave his laws to all of humanity...
What concerns me with the Jewish Torah..
I only show that Christianity is not derived from it...
I have my igbo omenani/odinani

So you're not a TEACHER in any way you can go and talk to your igbo people about your god stop meddling in the affairs of other people's gods!

MaxInDHouse:
So you're not a TEACHER in any way you can go and talk to your igbo people about your god stop meddling in the affairs of other people's gods!

It's about raising consciousness..

We can't not be worshipping idols in the 21st century and I have shown that Jesus is an idol..

sonmvayina:
It's about raising consciousness..
We can't not be worshipping idols in the 21st century and I have shown that Jesus is an idol..

OK you can continue your SHOW!

sonmvayina:
It's about raising consciousness..

We can't not be worshipping idols in the 21st century and I have shown that Jesus is an idol..

Sonmvayina you are right jesus is an idol in the sense that when u idolize him.
And now the question now is that
How can one idolize Jesus Christ ?
Today people engraved a status of jesus and then make an act of worship to it. thinking they are praying to Jesus and such practice is usually common today within the romancatholic.