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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:13pm On Jan 10, 2023
TheSuperNerd:
Joan Felix to Chelsea: Top player coming into a team still lacking an actual playing template.

Chelsea fans not that you should be excited or anything because your team really gotta sort out their playing structure and tactical implementations, but I really think you are getting an Upgrade on Kai Havertz in Joao Felix who's technically superior.

Just my tots from a deeply observed angle as usual.

My thinking is, is Joao Felix the choice of Potter? Joao Felix is technically superior but I doubt he is a better tactician on the ball than Havertz. It will prove interesting to see how he fits them because Joao Felix is an ideal player for the false 9 position.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:15pm On Jan 10, 2023
benji93:
A piece of advice Sir. Any matter wey you no know the start, no jump headlong, update yourself first before you dive in. cheesy grin. We ask your oga simple academic question, him no fit answer. I fit argue tiki taka with am anyday, but on top this matter you have to show you understand the most important paper FIFA based their decision to adopt the MRI on. If you cannot understand it, you cannot command understanding of any deductions that follow. Tell him to answer our question, then we continue the conversation. cheesy grin.
@MainJoe pls answer the question for the sake of this guy. I challenge you. cheesy grin

Edit: @TheGoodJoe, seems your account is back, troublemaker. cheesy grin

Tales by moonlight.

Explain to us how you came to such a bogus and false idea of a 21 years old beating the MRI wrist scan.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 8:22pm On Jan 10, 2023
Do you want us to start from the beginning again? cheesy grin. I'll do my best to be clearer with my questions. cheesy
TheGoodJoe:


Tales by moonlight.

Explain to us how you came to such a bogus and false idea of a 21 years old beating the MRI wrist scan.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 8:25pm On Jan 10, 2023
benji93:
Do you want us to start from the beginning again? cheesy grin. I'll do my best to be clearer with my questions. cheesy

There is no beginning. Explain to us how such fake idea came to you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 8:31pm On Jan 10, 2023
Wilfred Ndidi starts for Leicester vs Newcastle.

Interesting to see how Ndidi and his fellow MFs hold their own against Bruno and the gang at Newcastle.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 8:46pm On Jan 10, 2023
Yeah, would be interesting to see how Potter utilises him coz I can't say for sure that Potter wanted him.

Havertz definitely is a harder worker and attacks the box more compared to Felix but the latter is a better ball carrier, more press resistant, and a better striker of the ball.

Also, I think felix is a better half spaces operator compared to Havertz.

Time will tell shaa. Both are similar from generalistic views but one is more boxwards than the other and that is havertz.


TheGoodJoe:


My thinking is, is Joao Felix the choice of Potter? Joao Felix is technically superior but I doubt he is a better tactician on the ball than Havertz. It will prove interesting to see how he fits them because Joao Felix is an ideal player for the false 9 position.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 8:51pm On Jan 10, 2023
Let's go another round. cheesy grin.
My argument was that over half of 20/21-year-old Sub-saharan African players would pass the MRI test.
You argued that it is far from accurate. Is this at the center of the argument?
TheGoodJoe:


There is no beginning. Explain to us how such fake idea came to you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by fabyom: 9:12pm On Jan 10, 2023
How the hell is this Perez guy starting ahead of Nacho?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by fabyom: 9:17pm On Jan 10, 2023
If you have the time try to watch one of his games, you might have a change of heart!
charlesemeka85:
no laliga team will come for him. If u wan bet I Dey game

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 9:28pm On Jan 10, 2023
fabyom:
How the hell is this Perez guy starting ahead of Nacho?

Ayoze Perez ..lol..

Rodgers doesn't rate Nacho..
I don't think Nacho cares anyway...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:30pm On Jan 10, 2023
Josh Maja Brace already today and the game is still in first half action.

Now on 10 league goals and 3 assists in 18 league games (18 starts).

11 goals in all competitions.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:46pm On Jan 10, 2023
benji93:
A piece of advice Sir. Any matter wey you no know the start, no jump headlong, update yourself first before you dive in. cheesy grin. We ask your oga simple academic question, him no fit answer. I fit argue tiki taka with am anyday, but on top this matter you have to show you understand the most important paper FIFA based their decision to adopt the MRI on. If you cannot understand it, you cannot command understanding of any deductions that follow. Tell him to answer our question, then we continue the conversation. cheesy grin.
@MainJoe pls answer the question for the sake of this guy. I challenge you. cheesy grin

Edit: @TheGoodJoe, seems your account is back, troublemaker. cheesy grin
To say I don't know anything about MRI because I didn't contribute a 400-word thesis when the argument was going on is just laughable. I don't have the time to engage in unnecessary arguments. Mind you, we still had same argument on this thread few months ago.

Moreso, I expected you to back up your claim with facts but you kept twisting and turning. TBH, I was looking forward to learn something new too because the pot of knowledge is wider.

The.goodjoe gave Ndidi's case as an example. If Ndidi could failed the MRI at such age, how then could a 21-year old pass MRI? Genetics? Environment? Feeding?

Mind you, I'm not disputing your claim. I just want you to elaborate more.

Bless you bro.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by damagnificentusb(m): 9:52pm On Jan 10, 2023
Looks like wilf Ndidi is in the mood today.
He's been everywhere throwing takcles and intercepting the ball. Excellent first half from Ndidi

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 9:54pm On Jan 10, 2023
komekn:


It's quite obvious you've never had a MRI scan.

I've had three MRI scans all related to sports injuries, that by default means a discussion with radiologists in a top university teaching hospital in the UK.

I have both first hand participative understanding as well as research based understanding.

What do you have , prejudice and negative ignorance anchored on infantile rancourous noise making.
Can you show us proof?
Can a 21-year old passed MRI (for U17s)? You're telling me you had MRI relating to sport injury. SMH

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 9:57pm On Jan 10, 2023
I agree. Has made the most tackles in the first half (5) and won the most duels in the half too (9).

I like your use of the words "In the Mood".

damagnificentusb:
Looks like wilf Ndidi is in the mood today.
He's been everywhere throwing takcles and intercepting the ball. Excellent first half from Ndidi

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:31pm On Jan 10, 2023
Newcastle were always gonna have their way. They are just too superior to Leicester. 2-0 now.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 10:35pm On Jan 10, 2023
Tolu Arokodare scores in Ligue 2 today. Last minute equaliser for Amiens.

Now on 6 goals in 18 league games (16 starts).

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 10:37pm On Jan 10, 2023
Sure, you see this is a subject that has an academic component, so if you do not sequence your arguments well you will just end up going past each other. I took that path, then I realized he was answering imaginary questions. I make an argument with a premise, he makes his argument with a different premise. Such a back-and-forth is unfruitful unless going around in circles is your plan.

So since you are willing to go forward, let's go with you.
I assume you are well aware of my argument.
I opined that over half of a sample of 20/21-year-old Sub-Saharan African players will pass the MRI test. To be clear this is a deduction I made. It's not a conclusion drawn by any study, at least not directly.

To be able to properly discuss this topic and make deductions we have to go back to the most important study that led to FIFA's decision to adopt the MRI.

Is this a fair direction to take?


mostob:
To say I don't know anything about MRI because I didn't contribute a 400-word thesis when the argument was going on is just laughable. I don't have the time to engage in unnecessary arguments. Mind you, we still had same argument on this thread few months ago.

Moreso, I expected you to back up your claim with facts but you kept twisting and turning. TBH, I was looking forward to learn something new too because the pot of knowledge is wider.

The.goodjoe gave Ndidi's case as an example. If Ndidi could failed the MRI at such age, how then could a 21-year old pass MRI? Genetics? Environment? Feeding?

Mind you, I'm not disputing your claim. I just want you to elaborate more.

Bless you bro.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheSuperNerd(m): 11:26pm On Jan 10, 2023
Wilfred Ndidi FT Stats for Leicester City Today.

Newcastle Utd 2-0 Leicester City - EFL Carabao Cup Quarter finals.

Played 90mins+
57 touches.
3 pass entries into Final third.
78% passing accuracy.
25/32 accurate passes.
1/3 accurate long balls.
9/13 ground duels won.
3/4 aerial duels won.
6 tackles.
3 recoveries.
3 clearances.
3 headed clearances.
1 interception.
Was fouled 3x.
3 fouls committed.

*Wilfred Ndidi recorded the most duels won (12) in the game

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 11:36pm On Jan 10, 2023
benji93:
Sure, you see this is a subject that has an academic component, so if you do not sequence your arguments well you will just end up going past each other. I took that path, then I realized he was answering imaginary questions. I make an argument with a premise, he makes his argument with a different premise. Such a back-and-forth is unfruitful unless going around in circles is your plan.

So since you are willing to go forward, let's go with you.
I assume you are well aware of my argument.
I opined that over half of a sample of 20/21-year-old Sub-Saharan African players will pass the MRI test. To be clear this is a deduction I made. It's not a conclusion drawn by any study, at least not directly.

To be able to properly discuss this topic and make deductions we have to go back to the most important study that led to FIFA's decision to adopt the MRI.

Is this a fair direction to take?


Now, I get you. Your opinion stems from deductive reasoning.
There is no need for further back-and-forth then. And to be honest with you, your stance is thought-provoking.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 11:42pm On Jan 10, 2023
Interesting, I have not even made my point. cheesy grin. Are you sure you already know how I was going to get to 20/21 yrs?
mostob:
Now, I get you. Your opinion stems from deductive reasoning.
There is no need for further back-and-forth then. And to be honest with you, your stance is thought-provoking.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 11:56pm On Jan 10, 2023
benji93:
Interesting, I have not even made my point. cheesy grin. Are you sure you already know how I was going to get to 20/21 yrs?
That's why I said your stance is thought-provoking. If Ndidi and Mu'azam could failed the test as 16-year olds, I'm still wondering how a 20/21 - year old will scale through.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by benji93: 12:12am On Jan 11, 2023
The problem is you are assuming Ndidi and Muazam were actually 16-year-olds because they claimed it. They claimed they were 16, and FIFA was not sure they were telling the truth so they use the MRI. Our players have a history of lying about their ages, so for the recent generations, the assumption is they are likely lying, hence the use of the MRI to screen out the old papas 22+ claiming 16. The question is what is the maximum actual age for which a player can claim 16 across the world? Does it differ from one place to another? And if possible by how much? So do you want me to continue with my point? cheesy grin
mostob:
That's why I said your stance is thought-provoking. If Ndidi and Mu'azam could failed the test as 16-year olds, I'm still wondering how a 20/21 - year old will scale through.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 12:54am On Jan 11, 2023
Danielnino00:


Ayoze Perez ..lol..

Rodgers doesn't rate Nacho..
I don't think Nacho cares anyway...

I really don't know anybody in English football who does, just a few people here, that's all.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 1:10am On Jan 11, 2023
benji93:
The problem is you are assuming Ndidi and Muazam were actually 16-year-olds because they claimed it. They claimed they were 16, and FIFA was not sure they were telling the truth so they use the MRI. Our players have a history of lying about their ages, so for the recent generations, the assumption is they are likely lying, hence the use of the MRI to screen out the old papas 22+ claiming 16. The question is what is the maximum actual age for which a player can claim 16 across the world? Does it differ from one place to another? And if possible by how much? So do you want me to continue with my point? cheesy grin

You are waisting your time.

These guys want to call the moon blue when it's clearly bright white.

Habit is the beginning of character and character ingrained on a national scale becomes culture.

Age cheating is an intrinsic part of our national character. At every level of society we have age cheating in Nigeria and Africa in general.

Everybody knows that player valuation is intrinsically linked with age. Every football academy I have been to in Nigeria. The question asked is not how old the players are But how old do you want them to be ❓

We do not have automatic birth data capture and as such you rely on the integrity of individuals. Sworn declaration of age. Nobodys age in Nigeria can be officially verified by a government institution.

So for instance just add a mere 3 years to V.O. age and a big chunk of his transfer value will be gone.

So you want to rely on individual integrity for age verification, in country where there is None. TheGoodJoe has called me a LIAR dont think he knows what the word means. He knows the truth but denies it .
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Marjoribanks: 3:15am On Jan 11, 2023
lol!
Joebie:
cheesy blueelf brother grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 4:11am On Jan 11, 2023
benji93:
The problem is you are assuming Ndidi and Muazam were actually 16-year-olds because they claimed it. They claimed they were 16, and FIFA was not sure they were telling the truth so they use the MRI. Our players have a history of lying about their ages, so for the recent generations, the assumption is they are likely lying, hence the use of the MRI to screen out the old papas 22+ claiming 16. The question is what is the maximum actual age for which a player can claim 16 across the world? Does it differ from one place to another? And if possible by how much? So do you want me to continue with my point? cheesy grin

Since you are basing your statements on assumptions, how about this?
Ndidi that you claim might have falsified hid age has been playing professionally for 10 years now and is considered one of the best DM in the premier league and definitely top 10 in the world based on verifiable stats..Never mind his recent injury spells..
If Ndidi falsified his age, I don't think he would be playing so well at a top level at this stage..

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 4:12am On Jan 11, 2023
komekn:


I really don't know anybody in English football who does, just a few people here, that's all.

I'm very sure the many English journalists and fans who voted for him to win three premier league player of the month award really rate him...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Danielnino00(m): 4:14am On Jan 11, 2023
komekn:


You are waisting your time.

These guys want to call the moon blue when it's clearly bright white.

Habit is the beginning of character and character ingrained on a national scale becomes culture.

Age cheating is an intrinsic part of our national character. At every level of society we have age cheating in Nigeria and Africa in general.

Everybody knows that player valuation is intrinsically linked with age. Every football academy I have been to in Nigeria. The question asked is not how old the players are But how old do you want them to be ❓

We do not have automatic birth data capture and as such you rely on the integrity of individuals. Sworn declaration of age. Nobodys age in Nigeria can be officially verified by a government institution.

So for instance just add a mere 3 years to V.O. age and a big chunk of his transfer value will be gone.

So you want to rely on individual integrity for age verification, in country where there is None. TheGoodJoe has called me a LIAR dont think he knows what the word means. He is knows the truth but denies it .



Don't try to cut corners...Talk wetin dey your mind @the bolded... Nothing wey you never talk on top Osimhen matter before...

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mostob(m): 7:02am On Jan 11, 2023
benji93:
The problem is you are assuming Ndidi and Muazam were actually 16-year-olds because they claimed it. They claimed they were 16, and FIFA was not sure they were telling the truth so they use the MRI. Our players have a history of lying about their ages, so for the recent generations, the assumption is they are likely lying, hence the use of the MRI to screen out the old papas 22+ claiming 16. The question is what is the maximum actual age for which a player can claim 16 across the world? Does it differ from one place to another? And if possible by how much? So do you want me to continue with my point? cheesy grin
You do know there are a lots of factors that could make a 16-year old fails MRI?

Since you're basing your argument on assumptions, I think we should close the matter. No need for further argument bro...

Peace
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:54am On Jan 11, 2023
benji93:
The problem is you are assuming Ndidi and Muazam were actually 16-year-olds because they claimed it. They claimed they were 16, and FIFA was not sure they were telling the truth so they use the MRI. Our players have a history of lying about their ages, so for the recent generations, the assumption is they are likely lying, hence the use of the MRI to screen out the old papas 22+ claiming 16. The question is what is the maximum actual age for which a player can claim 16 across the world? Does it differ from one place to another? And if possible by how much? So do you want me to continue with my point? cheesy grin


Ndidi was 16 years old. He grew up as a child under the watch of former Golden Eaglets captain, Nduka Ugbade. Nduka Ugbade trained Ndidi from a small boy, where he was the smallest player in the whole team as a kid until U17 level. He was sure of his age. However, Ndidi still failed the MRI.

Your deductive reasoning is devoid of fact. The MRI scan is universally accepted by professional radiologists. These are guys that are professionally trained on this.

You are just a layman in this matter and can't argue against a pure fact. You are just guessing and your guess is totally wrong with no source to back it up.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 7:56am On Jan 11, 2023
benji93:
The problem is you are assuming Ndidi and Muazam were actually 16-year-olds because they claimed it. They claimed they were 16, and FIFA was not sure they were telling the truth so they use the MRI. Our players have a history of lying about their ages, so for the recent generations, the assumption is they are likely lying, hence the use of the MRI to screen out the old papas 22+ claiming 16. The question is what is the maximum actual age for which a player can claim 16 across the world? Does it differ from one place to another? And if possible by how much? So do you want me to continue with my point? cheesy grin

Do you think the radiologists, employed by NFA, CAF, and FIFA, don't know what they are doing? They screen every player in the U17 AFCON and every player in the World Cup. These are professionals. So, your deductive reasoning is pure fantasy.

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