Thortp:
Didn't you read where I wrote 1st year may be rough?
But you are very quick to attack without reading.
MA doing 20hrs and Dependant working full time for a year is .enough Sir.
Stop scaring people. Afterall, nothing good comes easy.

AreaFada2:

My brother, I know you mean well, but please let everyone have their own experience. Experience is the best teacher. A lot are more interested in trying to prove you wrong or even insult you instead of learning from your advise. All that from the comfort or chaos of their abode in Lekki, Bariga or Agege depending on the economic status.

Only few can fathom the trust cost of accommodation in London, for example. One said you get free treatment but forgot about about £10 per each prescribed drug. On what income level do you pay £100 to £150?

Over the years here trying to advise people to be realistic, we have been asked why we have not relocated to 9ja yet.

juman:
If you are doing well financially in nigeria, dont travel abroad, most likely you go cry.
One has to work very hard to get money.

Paulheyman:
Dear op and respondents
Based on the Japa syndrome, these are my dilemmas:
1) I got an offer of a postdoc in US for a 2yrs stay with possible offer of becoming a faculty member (I am not sure if I will be taken as a faculty member). The pay is $65k/annum

2) with the recent offer of a QTS visa by UK for qualified teachers. I am also very much interested based on variations in the number of years US (2yrs): UK (5yrs - so I heard)

Note: I want to get into the US or UK using (but not limited to) the academic root and possibly diversify later on

These are my challenges
1) I am a sickle cell patient. I hope I am not taking much risk based on my health? How's the health system in US compared to UK?
2) on skills: I officially left music production in 2014 to focus on my academics. So, on skills, how lucrative is music production in both countries?
3) Based on academic skills: I can perform most computer based simulation in chemistry/biology including DFT experiments, molecular docking, molecular dynamics simulation, and other computational chemistry/biology techniques with little or no difficulties
4) I would love to switch probably from class room teacher to a full time lecturer (if UK is found worthy). How possible and easy can it be?
5i) How lucrative is teaching job in the UK?
5ii) Do the country (UK) permit home lessons?
5iii) Can I combine class room teaching with other side hustle

*** My intention is to stay there for ten years and come back and invest but if I find their land fruitful, I will stay a little longer than expected


I need guidance please!

sharpwriter:

I'm not really interested in all of the talks here because this topic creeps up every now and then off and on nairaland. I think the bone of contention is in your last paragraph which I believe needs focus and people are more interested in it. Now, that you said it, it will be better for you and other abroad crew to give a robust explanation/answer.

Cc: sukkot (I know are back, but help with the question).

It goes thus:

With all these experiences abroad which is not that palatable, WHY HAVEN'T YOU RELOCATED YET

Backpedal:

What's wrong with working hard to make money

sukkot:
ahn ahn everybody knows am in naija na. you no see my threads where i am buying yam and plantain ?

sharpwriter:

Baba how far? We never greet this new year shey? Happy new year to you o!

sukkot:
wehdone my Sister

henro757:

Bross if you are asking me how to know person wey get kpali 4 rent then you are slow to decode, its not me insulting you, I k now there are a billion things you know that I don't know but 4 this one you slow and No I have never stepped foot in the UK but planning to in few weeks time.I already have network of people who are students there good friends who are on the 20 hrs thing but bridge the gap with that level, so nah existing thing, Im not just chatting traaash.Im sorry if U felt and feel insulted but that's not the motive of my post, the thing here is simple, IF YOU KNOW YOU KNOW IF YOU DONT YOU DONT and on this pali matter bross make we leave am U don't.

gaby:


If I by chance get the opportunity to a leadership position in Nigeria, I'd advise the government of the day or personally introduce a clandestine program to take advantage of the student visa route to sponsor and ship out thousands of Nigerian families to the UK make them reap the benefit of their enterprise called Nigeria.

By the time they get choked up, we'll be called to a round table to discuss a way out, then we can tell them, undo and let go of your knees on the neck of this country to also save your own country.

Common sense wey no common.
.make everybody chop the breakfast.

henro757:

Bross I have spent over two years researching way of life in the UK . on here and other forums, people like you always come with this big word TAX, in the UK you pay Tax on your salary in the Uk you do same,you sick you go hospital for free cos you pay about £100 to £150 monthly as NI which is less than N20k, if you get ill and need an Op in Nigeria how much would you pay?if you drive you pay for MOT which is equal to road worthiness, you pay road tax which you pay here as duty, you pay insurance in 9ja it jst got multiplied by 3.Now you have not included police tax, High Nepa bills no light, You dispose your own refuse and you pay for it,U pay for water gas and electric etc, SO Pleas what tax are you NOW shouting about?

sukkot:
ahn ahn everybody knows am in naija na. you no see my threads where i am buying yam and plantain ?

sharpwriter:

I'm not really interested in all of the talks here because this topic creeps up every now and then off and on nairaland. I think the bone of contention is in your last paragraph which I believe needs focus and people are more interested in it. Now, that you said it, it will be better for you and other abroad crew to give a robust explanation/answer.

Cc: sukkot (I know are back, but help with the question).

It goes thus:

With all these experiences abroad which is not that palatable, WHY HAVEN'T YOU RELOCATED YET

sukkot:
ahhhh my brother sharpwriter wehdone Sir, Happy new year to you. we pray for a prosperous 2003 AMEN

sharpwriter:

So you were spying the thread without commenting?

sharpwriter:

Boss! It may happen when the new inflow of naija teachers begins

negy2016:


3 bedroom 750 pounds? This must be in your dream. Please send me the agent number

bonnyhope:


What about chemical engineer with 8 yrs industrial experience. What will be his chance of survival

Thortp:
A family going on a student visa may experience a very rough 1st year due to the fact that only one spouse works full time as the student can only do 20 hours.
2nd year will be okay when both spouse works full time. Even the worst is both couples earn £1,500 each after tax = £3k/month.
House rent PCM - £800 for 2bdrm apartment.
Groceries - £300 maximum.
Bills (electricity, water, gas) - £200
Internet - Home and mobile - £50
Transport - £200
Miscellaneous - £150
Balance = £1,300.
That means the couple can conveniently save £1,300 every month provided it's a low job o.

Save the £1,300 for 24 months (2years) = £31,000 that is 28million naira.
You can now take it to Nigeria and invest in something good for yourself. That's another income without working.
Now you get it

emperorlaqrin:
This is going to be an honest review for those who are coming or intend coming to the Uk.

I have watched with keen interest how most People on this platform as resorted to abuse/insult on the few people who are trying to enlighten us about the challenges that are faced in the Uk.

While this Enlightenment was not meant to dissuade anyone from coming to the Uk but to prepare you of the UPS & Down faced by most immigrants.

Unfortunately many Nigerians are not prepared to be well informed about something especially when it comes to traveling while I don’t blame many if not for the situation in Nigeria.

Coming to the Uk right now is not for everyone and that is the honest truth what I mean by this is that there are some set of people whom I will not advise to come here when it comes to work.

The truth of the matter is that if you are coming here you have to do away with pride and be ready to hustle, I mean serious hustle with hard work Infact with this serious hustle if you are not careful you might not see peanut to save.

There are two major things that takes away your money here in the UK

Number 1: Tax

The Uk economy cannot be compared with that of Nigeria and over here everything is tax compared to Nigeria where you can do away with that.

This country is built on tax and the social amenities everyone is enjoying from good road, electricity are as a result of the revenue from tax

Every employer deducts tax from your wages and there is no way you can avoid it.

Number 2: Accommodation

Accommodation as become a major challenge which as made a lot of people homeless due to lack of funds to secure accommodation or unavailability of accommodation within your budget.

Brb

dupyshoo:
It depends on your area of experience. However, Chemical engineering jobs are a bit restricted to process industries, oil and gas, pharmaceuticals and the likes.

AreaFada2:

A friend I have always helped in 9ja asked me this question when I was unable to help him once. He lives in Lagos and complained every now and then seeking help. I did my best each time.
When I told him times are quite hard, he asked why I have not returned home yet.

Mind you, each he complained about difficulties of Lagos life, I never once asked him why he has not returned to his village or home state in Nigeria yet. Because I knew that after decades in Lagos, with kids, wife and life in Lagos, Lagos was now his home. I would be insulting him by saying return to your village.

Now look at it this way. How easy is it to move from Lagos after 15 to 30 years back to Orlu, Iseyin, Kafachan or Ozoro at the age of 40 to 55, with young kids? Which job will you be doing in your village? There are clearly too many people stuck in Lagos and just managing but almost all never leave Lagos. Same in PH, KD and other cities.

Well, it should be easy to realise also that those in US/Europe are also humans. Diaspora born and bred kids will find it hard adjusting to life in 9ja. Your elite are sending their kids abroad for quality education, and you bring yours to 9ja? And you have no access to the huge money of politicians?

I don't like living in Lagos for example. Way too crowded and many parts dirty. Abuja is not where I want to be either. When I return by God's grace, it's to my hometown as a retiree. Investing in 9ja over the decades ended in huge losses. From bank shares, businesses, etc. Too much dishonesty. So the basis (established business and self-employment) for returning at a relatively young age was already gone. That left politics only. I resisted it because I don't like our brand of politics.

You watched over the decades how everything you knew changed over the decades visiting home. Community spirit, being brother's keep, and all gone. Returning to 9ja with no parents alive any more and all the good things about 9ja you cherished gone, would be like moving to an entirely different country.

For most people who have lived abroad for decades, diaspora is now their home and of their kids. 9ja is a memory with nostalgia. Houses built in 9ja are for holiday visits that the family enjoy for two to four weeks and leave. And investment.

As a kid, my local university, university hospital and schools were full of diaspora returnees, their oyinbo wives and kids, some Asians and a few Europeans as staff. Today locally trained professionals abroad.

For the quality of life that you manage to enjoy abroad, there are big trade-offs. These what we try to make people aware of before they move abroad.

Thortp:
A family going on a student visa may experience a very rough 1st year due to the fact that only one spouse works full time as the student can only do 20 hours.
2nd year will be okay when both spouse works full time. [s]Even the worst is both couples earn £1,500[/s] each after tax = £3k/month.
[s]House rent PCM - £800 for 2bdrm apartment.[/s]
Groceries - £300 maximum.
Bills (electricity, water, gas) - £200
Internet - Home and mobile - £50
Transport - £200
Miscellaneous - £150
Balance = £1,300.
That means the couple can conveniently save £1,300 every month provided it's a low job o.

Save the £1,300 for 24 months (2years) = £31,000 that is 28million naira.
You can now take it to Nigeria and invest in something good for yourself. That's another income without working.
Now you get it

juman:
If you are doing well financially in nigeria, dont travel abroad, most likely you go cry.
One has to work very hard to get money.

sharpwriter:

Hmmmm.... You have spoken well sir and I understand you. I see cruelty all over with the fault of African leaders. To me, I see various Nigerians and Africans stripped of their original identities as in the days of the trans Atlantic slave trade but in a more advanced and subtle way.

But for naija people, no one cares, na anywhere belle face, dem don suffer enough, so na to go enjoy remain. After all the idea is that a slave master treats them better than their kin, hence, every place of comfort is home!

iamL:
Isn't that how it ought to be, Work hard to earn?
Most people in this country making it are either they are politicians, ritualist, illegal business men, scammers, kidnappers, using fetishes means to boost their business, wicked government extortional workers e.t.c.
You are propably a typical example.
Hence they always say 'Naija na good hustling ground" because overseas you can't try these. Only a hand full of wealthy people are clean in this country.
NB: Anything wey go make anybody children to be citizens of other countries abeg make the person run am legitimately.
The world will get worst but Nigeria is already doomed.