I mean

No matter how you argue about whether the league is tougher or weaker, everybody would have a point to prove their stance.

But you know what can't be argued, the fact a 'pass first' player is a better scorer than the pure scorers.

It's harder to maintain lebron's efficiency for 20yrs.

And also harder to do all that while still being the 4th highest assist giver too.

The most impressive thing is he did it while still having a hairline!!!!!!

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Are you alright? Hakeem shot over 51%. You could have just googled this before typing. You don't have to have watched these guys on TV to know some facts. Most of these are on the internet. Just search. Must we help you with everything?

Khanben:



The issue is Hakeem like Kobe made a living taking and making bad shots at a reasonable percentage. We all saw what happened to Tatum those few months he wanted to play like Kobe, his efficiency went down the drain, in the 90s, the media would applaud him for taking those shots like they applauded AI, Tmac and co, but in the nba today where efficiency is king, he was buried until he went back to taking high percentage shots.
People wants guys to play the game the way it was in the 90s,but either they forget or don't know that most contracts these days are efficiency based. Do people really expect players to lose money because they are taking less efficient shots just to feed their nostalgia?

A lot of Jordan crybabies on Twitter Love to see it

What Ajala achieved yesterday is significant in the history of basketball, irrespective of eras. He took advantage of numerous situation and evolved as times and the game evolved.
I struggle to see how anyone can beat that record but again, isn’t that what we said about the Kareem’s record? Records are created to be broken but this one will last.
Congratulations to the journey man! Well deserved..

birdman:


Haaaaa!!! . No need to take you seriously after this bwahahaaha ol boy i go dey laugh all day 2day...lebron without muscles

You compare KAT to KG and claim he's more skilled if there's anyone that should not be taken seriously it definitely is you.

Go and do your research on Grant Hill and come back to apologize

A40:
You compare KAT to KG and claim he's more skilled if there's anyone that should not be taken seriously it definitely is you.

Go and do your research on Grant Hill and come back to apologize

The kain things wen pesin dey read for here sef.

benji93:
That's it. There's nothing new. Even though I agree that perhaps some skills are becoming increasingly necessary, the elite pool today is not better skilled than that of the 90s. For instance on the issue of bigs shooting 3s, Draymond interviewed Kenny recently and he said Olajuwon shoots threes well in training(Certainly quite different from shooting in actual games), so why then doesn't he shoot it in games? He said, well there are about 3 centers that faze him in the league, so he almost never needs it.

Bro all they do is spam more 3s. That is literally what they do more often than the older era.

Think about it. Kareem made 1 3 his entire career. Guys like Ewing, Hakeem would take 1 3 in 5 years. Be fr and tell me. If there was no hand checking what stops the back in the day PGs from taking as many shots and scoring as often as the guards today.

Thanks to positionless basketball you have a Lamelo Ball who's supposed to be facilitator of his team taking 20-25 shots a game.

Khanben:


That is the thing that 42.5% is worse than shooting 30% from 3.

You said all Shawn Kemp could do was dunk. I'm telling you he was a better midrange shooter than Blake Griffin and Lebron.

You think if Shawn Kemp is taking 5 3s a game he won't shoot better than 30%. Be fr

liveLongNprospa:
I mean

No matter how you argue about whether the league is tougher or weaker, everybody would have a point to prove their stance.

But you know what can't be argued, the fact a 'pass first' player is a better scorer than the pure scorers.

It's harder to maintain lebron's efficiency for 20yrs.

And also harder to do all that while still being the 4th highest assist giver too.

The truth is the pass first argument has always been a myth. This is what happens when you try to be a detractor and you do too much and start hurting your argument. Lebron could score with the best of them

How can someone who's all time 2nd in Field Goal attempts be a pass first player.

He also has the shot chart of a center and up till the last 2 seasons took 70% of shots from inside 3ft.

Now he's spamming the 3 with reckless abandon. Led the league last season in FGA and is barely second to Luka this year. He was hunting for that record and we don't need to pretend about it

Khanben:


You wrote a whole epistle about how Lebron would find it hard to get to the rim in the 90s while we all know of players who he is way better than, faster and stronger than, who had no issues getting to the rim. Or will you now say Drexler or Hill was better than Lebron.
My thing is simple, you can claim that MJ is better than Lebron allyou want, but don't act like lebron will not dominate the 90s, if Malone can get 2 MVPs in that era then Lebron will get his.

PS: Saying Grant Hill is like Lebron without muscles is like me saying DeRozan is MJ without the efficiency.

Are you drunk? Who wrote an epistle about how Lebron would find it hard to get to the rim in the 90s?

What we know is he would have taken significantly more beating and would have had to go to the line more.

I'm not like you lot that think human species have evolved physically in the last 30 years. And we're suddenly bigger, faster than our parents were. You lot are the ones under that illusion

I'm well aware that great players will dominate in any era including Lebron so you're shadow boxing at this point.

Roland17:


The kain things wen pesin dey read for here sef.

Fanboyism no dey allow people think sometimes

Wait sef. You mean amidst all this noise and hullabaloo. Una guy still lose to SGA and Josh Giddey??

All this statpaddin just to be languishing in 13th 2 games behind the 10th seed

Be fr.

Anyway this graphic typifies LeStats LeNomad in a nutshell.

benji93:
Are you alright? Hakeem shot over 51%. You could have just googled this before typing. You don't have to have watched these guys on TV to know some facts. Most of these are on the internet. Just search. Must we help you with everything?

Arguing with these people is a waste of time.

They keep forgetting that era also counts. Anybody with two functioning eyes knows that the basketball of the 90s and 00s was just rougher and tougher.

When KD and Kyrie two of the most 'skilled" players of all time got a taste of 90s and early 00s ball against the Celtics we saw the results

How does someone who can compete with less talent and less gaudy numbers be languishing in 13th seed with AD and Westbrook (two top 75ers) when we tell them numbers today just don't carry the same weight they think it's hate

benji93:
Are you alright? Hakeem shot over 51%. You could have just googled this before typing. You don't have to have watched these guys on TV to know some facts. Most of these are on the internet. Just search. Must we help you with everything?

Where did I say Hakeem did not shoot a good percentage. I said he took a lot of bad shots, like Kobe, but made them at a reasonable percentage. I.e he made a career of taking and making bad shots

A40:
Arguing with these people is a waste of time.

They keep forgetting that era also counts. Anybody with two functioning eyes knows that the basketball of the 90s and 00s was just rougher and tougher.

When KD and Kyrie two of the most 'skilled" players of all time got a taste of 90s and early 00s ball against the Celtics we saw the results

How does someone who can compete with less talent and less gaudy numbers be languishing in 13th seed with AD and Westbrook (two top 75ers) when we tell them numbers today just don't carry the same weight they think it's hate

So, using your arguments, 90s style defense will not stop Steph then right? Since he smoked the Celtics

all this noise making, be decent for once, congratulate the guy and move on

I thought it would take the whole season to maybe achieve this feat, but we arent even halfway and he is still at the top of his game. Greatness. Goatness!

Khanben:


So, using your arguments, 90s style defense will not stop Steph then right? Since he smoked the Celtics

It's just putting your skilled, talented or whatever argument to bed. Players struggle when the physicality is raised up a notch.

The Warriors as a whole were able to match whatever physicality the Celtics brought.

We've seen physicality and pressure stop Steph before haven't we?

Oya I no dey congratulate. Go call police

A40:
It's just putting your skilled, talented or whatever argument to bed. Players struggle when the physicality is raised up a notch.

The Warriors as a whole were able to match whatever physicality the Celtics brought.

We've seen physicality and pressure stop Steph before haven't we?

Agreed, that has happened to every player who has ever played the sport. We all saw the Glove 1v1, take MJs average from 30+plus points a game to 23pts a game, it happens. That doesn't mean if they had played another series same thing would have happened again, but the Glove still did it for those 3 games, so it happens to everybody.
My issue is simple, basketball is the only sport where people act as if the modern players are not as good as guys who played in a particular decade because of their desire to claim MJ is the greatest of all time.
I can accept the opinion that MJ is the greatest of all time, I will even accept a persons opinion if they say they don't rank Lebron in their top ten of all time (its all about personal preference as far as i am concerned).
But where I categorically draw the line is when they start saying he would not have dominated in other eras, when we all know players who nobody even thinks about as being top 25 players of all time, who when they played in the same 80s, 90s, or 2000s, dominated those same eras.

Interestingly breaking the three-point record gained more traction than the scoring record. Lefans are pained. And he dey sweet me.

A40:
Wait sef. You mean amidst all this noise and hullabaloo. Una guy still lose to SGA and Josh Giddey??

All this statpaddin just to be languishing in 13th 2 games behind the 10th seed

Be fr.

Anyway this graphic typifies LeStats LeNomad in a nutshell.

benji93:
Interestingly breaking the three-point record gained more traction than the scoring record. Lefans are pained. And he dey sweet me.

Lol. You yourself know it wasn't even close. Dey whyne yourself. Except you've been living on Mars of course.

Ah ofcourse you are here. How far? Your man cannot stop losing. No be by force to continue. Just retire. Breaking the all-time scoring record doesn't change anything especially given that he's been playing for 20 years. He didn't need to break it to be adjudged the greatest. MJ is adjudged the greatest despite stopping short.

steady986:


Lol. You yourself know it wasn't even close. Dey whyne yourself. Except you've been living on Mars of course.

benji93:
Ah ofcourse you are here. How far? Your man cannot stop losing. No be by force to continue. Just retire. Breaking the all-time scoring record doesn't change anything especially given that he's been playing for 20 years. He didn't need to break it to be adjudged the greatest. MJ is adjudged the greatest despite stopping short.

You no wan even pity them and allow them enjoy one day? Have mercy na?

LeBron James. GOATed!

Want to know who a pass first player is? Someone who is capable of being the assist leader. You don't become assist leader if you're not a pass first player. LeBron has been an assist leader in this league, in the only season he was asked to play point guard. He won it effortlessly. MJ can't even relate. LeBron can be the scoring champion just as easily as he can be assist leader. MJ clocked 6 assists per game only three times in his 15 year career even though he was a guard. His highest was 8. As a forward LeBron has clocked 6 assists every single year bar his rookie year. He has clocked 8 assists five times. It's easy to average 30+, just shoot as much as MJ did throughout his career and you'll average 30. That is exactly what LeBron has done the past 2 years and MJ crybabies are groaning that he's shooting too much. The year MJ averaged 37, he shot 27.8 times per game. His first year in the Wizards where he averaged 22.9 ppg, he shot 22.1 times to get that, as a totally washed athlete. The most shots LeBron has ever averaged is 23.1. So judging a player by how many points he scores per game or how many scoring titles he has is just being overly simplistic. LeBron is the greatest scorer the game has ever seen by virtue of scoring consistently and efficiently for 20 years and counting, as well as holding the record for most points both in the regular season and in the playoffs.

Khanben:


Where did I say Hakeem did not shoot a good percentage. I said he took a lot of bad shots, like Kobe, but made them at a reasonable percentage. I.e he made a career of taking and making bad shots

Hakeem took a lot of bad shots? Ummm okay I guess

birdman:
I thought it would take the whole season to maybe achieve this feat, but we arent even halfway and he is still at the top of his game. Greatness. Goatness!

if he no make playoffs, we go take am laugh o.

Khanben:

Agreed, that has happened to every player who has ever played the sport. We all saw the Glove 1v1, take MJs average from 30+plus points a game to 23pts a game, it happens. That doesn't mean if they had played another series same thing would have happened again, but the Glove still did it for those 3 games, so it happens to everybody.
My issue is simple, basketball is the only sport where people act as if the modern players are not as good as guys who played in a particular decade because of their desire to claim MJ is the greatest of all time.
I can accept the opinion that MJ is the greatest of all time, I will even accept a persons opinion if they say they don't rank Lebron in their top ten of all time (its all about personal preference as far as i am concerned).
But where I categorically draw the line is when they start saying he would not have dominated in other eras, when we all know players who nobody even thinks about as being top 25 players of all time, who when they played in the same 80s, 90s, or 2000s, dominated those same eras.

Lol go and check Jordan's head to head vs Payton and see how he cooks him on a regular basis. He only had 2 games of any real success against him but that's neither here nor there

Nobody is saying modern guys are not as good or whatever. In fact at the bare minimum it is fans today that think players are somehow reinventing the wheel of sports and doing what could never be done. Without factoring rule changes and how much the game is being played different than it was in the past

Lebron is #2 in my list so I don't know why anyone would suggest he would not dominate any era.

MJ is the GOAT but where I draw the line is how you lot disrespect the players of yore, the other day it was Barkley and then Kemp and I had to watch them play again and ask what is any player today doing with a 6'10 260-270 Shawn Kemp or a 6'5 260 Charles Barkley.

Is it the SD camera, short shorts that make you think they are not athletic.

Physicality and rules also play a role in the product you see today.

Let me give you an example outside basketball. A slot receiver today would be an endangered species in the 70s, 80s, 90s and 00s You know why? Because safeties did not take kindly and had carte blanche to take your head off if you went through the middle.

Go and check the best and hardest hitting safeties of all time. You can never find one playing in this era. Slot receivers also wouldn't put up big numbers cause you know when you cross the middle of the field Rodney Harrison was going to shorten your lifespan.