LocalStandard1:


I remember when a group of Redeemed members were kidnapped in Kaduna State, Adeboye came to Kaduna and gave El'rufai all the praises under heaven. A few days later they were released, after wining and dining with El'rufai Adeboye left Kaduna people to their issues, who cares by the way? Definitely not the Baba!

I felt seriously betrayed and stabbed, but then what is remaining of my questions are answered then and there. He used us in 2015, used us a little bit more in mid 2022. Since after his personal hopes were crushed, his candidate insulted, abused mocked and persecuted for daring to contest against "Asiwaju himself", Adeboye went silent and changed his message over night.

Why did he also use the name of Jesus to peddle personal greed in the first place?

I will go back and tell what you just said to my brother who's a member, then I will shout it out to the world to hear. Bye!

Eeyah I feel for you. But the church is bigger than anybody including the pastor. I go to church to do my service to God and to hear his words not because of any pastor, maybe you should do same.

In nutshell, you expect man of God to tell you whom to vote for? or expect them to campaign for your candidate OBI?

OP, sand dey your head, who are you to tell other people what to do or what to say to the public, if you have an opinion just keep it to yourself,

It's the way you people think is the reason why power must not be given to you people, you will be worst than Boko Haram if giving federal power, all foolish Obidient who think in one way and one direction and refused to recognize other people opinion & existence.

You people are so myopic & emotionally imbalance, giving power to people who does not believe other people must have their own opinion, believes and minds is a disaster

JASONjnr:



The other one tried to speak up but was with parables that he claimed doesn't even know the meaning...

which one ?

Khilome - said vote obi
Oyedepo - said vote obi

Others are quiet

LocalStandard1:
First of all let me say a little about the philosophy and social construct of religion and politics....

1. There is not a single civilization, culture or society throughout man's history and existence that politics is practiced without the input or contributions of the group's religious beliefs. Not a single! Even today, right now in our time. Religion and politics are like twins! Everywhere! I believe politics has its roots from religion, that's why up till today you still find religious republics, from Earope to Asia, from the Middle East to Africa, the Americas. Everywhere!!
Politics is a form of religion, it is one borne out of service and patriotism to nation as against Service and worship to God.

2. No where in the Bible did God instruct the people or any of his Messangers to not be involved in politics or affairs of the State, and not even criticize. In fact God himself ordains leaders, he himself encourages and gives strength to his people in political affairs in the Bible.

Now to my tittle!

There's a pattern to the particular Pastors being called out now for being "neutral"(they aren't really) and those who were vocal last year before the APC primaries. About all of them glamoured for Christians to get "aggressively" involved in politics last year.

They preached, they shouted, they talked on top of their voices that Christians are too docile and uninvolved in politics, and it was not good for Christendom. They preached in Churches that we should all get our PVCs, we be involved in politics, we shouldn't sit back and watch.

Now? Many of these same vocal Pastors being called out(by their own members) have either gone mute or they entirely change their messages in front of the same people they preach to. Quite surprising don't you think? They now either say "I have never voted!" Or "God did not speak to me about anything! Or "Bala Blu bulaba....!" Or they choose to even act like theres no elections coming. Hypocrisy!!

The Bible said in Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. The Bible allows us as Christians to call them out by name. The Church is not a building, tis the gathering of Christians, everywhere.

IF YOU WILL NEVER STAND AND *SPEAK FOR ME* WHY SHOULD I GO TO YOUR HAND BUILT MULTI MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING SO YOU *SPEAK TO ME?!*

These elections has exposed all of them for who they really are, and we know them and will not forget their names!

No single independent thought, always waiting for someone to make a decision for you.
You are an adult with the full capacity to make decisions on your own not waiting for your pastor to tell you who to vote. Obidense too dull.

dat9jaguy:



No single independent thought, always waiting for someone to make a decision for you.
You are an adult with the full capacity to make decisions on your own not waiting for your pastor to tell you who to vote. Obidense too dull.

Ah ah, my guy! You followed me here? I will convert you to an OBIdient oh?! A word is enough for the wise.

Ttalk:


Just listen to how senseless the point you are trying to push sounds.

I'm an RCCG member and would not accept any man of God endorsing a candidate.

The role of a man of God is to sensitize the Christian community to perform their civil right, vote, and get involved in politics but the day any pastor began to endorse a candidate will be the beginning of his destruction.

How can a pastor endorse a particular candidate when his members belong to different parties? Why are you guys so blocked in the head that you can't reason beyond your primitive and egocentric proclivity?

Why do you measure others in a low standard of moral deficiency you are made of?

We have seen pastor Oyakilome and Suleimon openly endorsing Obi, good and fine, but the day any Yoruba pastor endorses the candidate is the day he loses my respect.

so a pastor cannot at least speak against Muslim/Muslim ticket that is against Christianity in his country. Is that what you are saying. Please don't be a hypocrite. He must not call a name of a candidate, but truth must be said. Some people will hate and even leave your church but you have spoken the truth. Don't you think? Church is the pillar of truth. And truth hurts. We can't because we don't want to lose our reputation and members and not speak the known truth.

LocalStandard1:
First of all let me say a little about the philosophy and social construct of religion and politics....

1. There is not a single civilization, culture or society throughout man's history and existence that politics is practiced without the input or contributions of the group's religious beliefs. Not a single! Even today, right now in our time. Religion and politics are like twins! Everywhere! I believe politics has its roots from religion, that's why up till today you still find religious republics, from Earope to Asia, from the Middle East to Africa, the Americas. Everywhere!!
Politics is a form of religion, it is one borne out of service and patriotism to nation as against Service and worship to God.

2. No where in the Bible did God instruct the people or any of his Messangers to not be involved in politics or affairs of the State, and not even criticize. In fact God himself ordains leaders, he himself encourages and gives strength to his people in political affairs in the Bible.

Now to my tittle!

There's a pattern to the particular Pastors being called out now for being "neutral"(they aren't really) and those who were vocal last year before the APC primaries. About all of them glamoured for Christians to get "aggressively" involved in politics last year.

They preached, they shouted, they talked on top of their voices that Christians are too docile and uninvolved in politics, and it was not good for Christendom. They preached in Churches that we should all get our PVCs, we be involved in politics, we shouldn't sit back and watch.

Now? Many of these same vocal Pastors being called out(by their own members) have either gone mute or they entirely change their messages in front of the same people they preach to. Quite surprising don't you think? They now either say "I have never voted!" Or "God did not speak to me about anything! Or "Bala Blu bulaba....!" Or they choose to even act like theres no elections coming. Hypocrisy!!

The Bible said in Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. The Bible allows us as Christians to call them out by name. The Church is not a building, tis the gathering of Christians, everywhere.

IF YOU WILL NEVER STAND AND *SPEAK FOR ME* WHY SHOULD I GO TO YOUR HAND BUILT MULTI MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING SO YOU *SPEAK TO ME?!*

These elections has exposed all of them for who they really are, and we know them and will not forget their names!

Without mingle words, I am sure you must be obidient/biafran or Ipob sympathizer because among them are inverted/upside-down thinkers like you. Set of people that can believe kanu rubbish prove of Buhari without questioning him. I am sure you are saying all these rubbish because you want pastors to choose Obi as their unopposed candidate. Anything outside choosing Obi, you will still come and abuse them. When pastors told Christians to actively go/involve into politics, are they telling members to go only into LP or to line only behind obi? Is LP the only party all church members must belong, you guys are just too selfish and no one can satisfy you.

People that come to church are from different political parties that were even existing before LP, according to you, pastors should force other political party members to vote for your only obi so you can be happy? Is that what you want ? 3D-mumu! Pastors need to be neutral as pastor Adeboye maintains that position, obi will come and go, he will soon decamp from LP to another party after his defeat as political protitute, another four year, church should follow him to another party.

Few churches that picked side with obi directly will still be insulted later if obi underperform if at all he wins. Church can't be drag into mud by your own selfishness. Pastor telling you to go into politics does not mean they are telling you to queue behind incompetent obi/LP, they are talking in general that you can belong to any party to make contribution to national growth.

sreamsense:

Without mingle words, I am sure you must be obidient/biafran or Ipob sympathizers because among them are inverted thinkers like you. Set of people that can believe kanu rubbish prove of Buhari without questioning him. I am sure you are saying all these rubbish because you want pastors to choose Obi as their unopposed candidate. Anything outside choosing Obi, you will still come and abuse them. When pastors told Christians to actively go/involve into politics, are they telling members to go only into LP or to line only behind obi? Is LP the only party all church members must belong, you guys are just too selfish and no one can satisfy you. People that come to church are from different political parties that were even existing before LP, according to you, pastors should force other political party members to vote for your only obi so you can be happy? Is that what you want ? 3D-mumu! Pastors need to be neutral as pastor Adeboye maintains that position, obi will come and go, he will soon decamp from LP to another party after his defeat as political protitute, another four year, church should follow him to another party. Few churches that picked side with obi directly will still be insulted later if obi underperform if at all he wins

Firstly, your write-up is too jam-packed together and without proper punctuations, I didn't read much of it. Secondly, from the small I read, you're wrong about every word you wrote.

You are correct

Politics has a strong root in religion
Most conquest by the crusaders or jihadist to gain power was through religion

Even in the US the evangelicals were all over defending trump

But

A true man of God doesn't need to be involve in politics
The pastor doesn't need to mention a politician or his party because human being change and God knows too

The Bible has many references to this

Prosper123:
so a pastor cannot at least speak against Muslim/Muslim ticket that is against Christianity in his country. Is that what you are saying. Please don't be a hypocrite. He must not call a name of a candidate, but truth must be said. Some people will hate and even leave your church but you have spoken the truth. Don't you think? Church is the pillar of truth. And truth hurts. We can't because we don't want to lose our reputation and members and not speak the known truth.

Even though I didn't read from the person you're quoting, but your response is simple and well said. A good summary of the entire truth.

When you can't stand up for Christianity, sit down and keep quiet cus you aren't a real Christian.

I hope if the pastor tell you to vote BAT because that's what God show him to be the best candidate for the job, hope you won't run mad?

Anofia

franchasofficia:
Nobody is saying they must endorse Peter Obi.


Make your stand known. Guide your flock to make the right decision if truly you do hear from God like you always claim.


In the Bible, it is the Prophets that annoint who will be next kings. Prophets help the people of God to make right decisions by guiding them correctly based on what God reveals to them.



Most of you are just kids throwing tantrums without making effort to understand people's outrange against some of these gods of men

LocalStandard1:


Firstly, your write-up is too jam-packed together and without proper punctuations, I didn't read much of it. Secondly, from the small I read, you're wrong about every word you wrote.

How will you understand when you lack sense of reasoning in the first place? You lack functioning education, how will you even be able to know when punctuation should be used? Do you even use punctuation in your reasoning before opening senseless thread because of obi ? Any sensible individual will not think upside down like you.

sreamsense:

How will you understand when you lack sense of reasoning in the first place? You lack functioning education, how will you even be able to know when punctuation should be used? Do you even use punctuation in your reasoning before opening senseless thread because of obi ? Any sensible individual will not think upside down like you.

Okay!

Jesus,a name coined by your colonial masters to depict a Jew bearing a different Jewish name.ok o

Why do you want Adeboye to tell you to vote Peter Obi when you already made that decision yourself?

Deprofessional:
Leave RCCG for only Yoruba Christians

I leave the church starting this Sunday.

Magnoliaa:
Watch the accidental intellectuals and "emergency lovers" of (individual) human rights' come to tag you a part of an headless mob for this opinion...

Nawao... Where have you been?

genkins:
Jesus,a name coined by your colonial masters to depict a Jew bearing a different Jewish name.ok o

But you saw this post is about that Jesus, why then are you here?

Acidosis:
Nawao... Where have you been?

I been dey NL jail.

Magnoliaa:


I been dey NL jail.

Too much vawulence.

I don talk am before and as the Op said don't come and be speaking English and talking about plan B and how things should be a certain way and all that, like you vibrantly did last year, only to lose clarity now. It is hypocritical indeed.

This is similar to my submission on a thread below
https://www.nairaland.com/7578239/apcs-muslim-muslim-ticket-flies-many#121100426

Treadway:
What the OP said might sound extreme or even un-christianlike as some have said, but he is making a lot of sense. You say it should be about kingdom winning and salvation right, why then should any Christian need to vote, we should just hand over all to God, sit at home on election day and just pray. Does that follow? No. The pastors will tell you to do your part by voting and rightly so.

So why are the pastors not doing their part and sitting on the fence? The imams are sure as hell not sitting on the fence, they are rallying all their people and giving them direction and instructions every Friday as this election draws near. If these guys now have their way and begin to wreak havoc, the same pastors will start speaking English and telling you to keep praying for Nigeria as we have been doing for decades. What is more, they arrogate so much power to themselves like they can legit turn you to a toad, or ask bears to eat you up like Elisha, but didn't see Covid coming, and somehow cant see who is God's choice for this election and tell the people. The prophets of old in the Bible always communicated God's choice of the leaders, so when and how did that stop and sitting on the fence became the norm, and yet I as a Christian am supposed to be in awe of u as some sort of superman, but you have not seen or heard who God's choice is so far. The op may be harsh in his submission, but he really isn't off the mark.

Acidosis:
Too much vawulence.

This last one ehn... na about 3 months jail sef suppose fit me, 'cause I was reposting this troll's picture alongside a poopoo's picture.

I feel the mod that banned me was lenient gan.

Magnoliaa:


This last one ehn... na about 3 months jail sef suppose fit me, 'cause I was reposting this troll's picture alongside a poopoo's picture.

I feel the mod that banned me was lenient gan.

Ahhh I rejoice with you. Don't allow any troll stress you oo

In the Bible Prophets was made to checkmate kings

Now they have lost their voice because of worldly things, selfishness and falsehood

The imams would have triggered a civil unrest if any of the major parties fielded a Christian-christian ticket

Kudos to the pastor's that have stood on their words

Vote PETER OBI

Vote Labour party

07kjb:
In the Bible Prophets was made to checkmate kings

Now they have lost their voice because of worldly things, selfishness and falsehood

The imams would have triggered a civil unrest if any of the major parties fielded a Christian-christian ticket

Kudos to the pastor's that have stood on their words

Vote PETER OBI

Vote Labour party

Even some of these quiet Pastors would have stood against it. Many people now do not know the works of real people of God. How can you be in a troubling country, Christians persecuted, and you say you're neutral?

They're pretentious lies and self-serving!

LocalStandard1:


Even some of these quiet Pastors would have stood against it. Many people now do not know the works of real people of God. How can you be in a troubling country, Christians persecuted, and you say you're neutral?

They're pretentious lies and self-serving!

That's fact

Acidosis:
Ahhh I rejoice with you. Don't allow any troll stress you oo

Thank you. 🤧

I haff heard.

Magnoliaa:


Thank you. 🤧

I haff heard.

My daughter how are you 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️
Have you missed Zaddy??🤗🤗

LocalStandard1:


Ah ah, my guy! You followed me here? I will convert you to an OBIdient oh?! A word is enough for the wise.

No, I saw the topic whilst browsing.
Bros you no fit convert me o. I make my decisions independently without waiting for directions from my pastor or anyone.

LocalStandard1:


But you saw this post is about that Jesus, why then are you here?

I just gave u free knowledge free of charge...but as a black man,instead of going to do research u ko de talk nonsense