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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by wegevv: 12:55pm On Mar 22, 2023
Pityoobi:
Lol, and how it is most important to win only 25% in Abuja to validate 25% won in 24 other state…Total madness.

OBI people are real crazy people finding loopholes in the constitution to seize power through the back door. How can a state capital, not even a state be more powerful than 24 states combined.

This statement is idiotic. The constitution is the constitution. Let me show you:

If someone wins FCT and 22 states they still won't win first ballot. Even if they won more than 2 times the vote of the next person. How can the remaining 14 states be more powerful than the 22 states and FCT? Because the bloody constitution says so lol

Go and fight the constitution lol

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by walefresh3(m): 1:03pm On Mar 22, 2023
SenatePresdo:


Go and ask WAEC how English language take get two head, for them to say you must pass it before you pass your WAEC.

If you get 8 A's in WAEC and fail English, you failed.

English language is to WAEC what FCT is to Presidential Election, una go dey alright Las Las grin

The key phrase, "And the FCT"

If FCT is a state, why would they have to add the conjunction, and?

They gave it an exclusivity, hence the And

We are waiting for them!!
olodooooooo.....
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Faceonme1443: 1:06pm On Mar 22, 2023
Read section 299

Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by walefresh3(m): 1:08pm On Mar 22, 2023
PointB:


Let's even for the sake of argument say that the constitution recognise FCT as a state , the AND on it's own is a conjunction. It says whatever else you might have achieved in the election you need to obtain 25% vote cast in FCT. Whether FCT is a state or Capital Territory is, for the purpose of the conjunctive clause, immaterial.

I see no way out for Tinubu in the case, unless their is a miscarriage of justice.
stop decieving Nigerians..... Obi has lost.... Nothing to talk about bro

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by BigCowHornn: 1:09pm On Mar 22, 2023
SmartPolician:
That FCT 25% NONSENSE sounds absurd to me. FCT is often separated from the 36 states because it's a territory, not a state (they cannot call it 37 states). However, as far as the election is concerned, FCT is like every other state in the country.

BTW, if Peter Obi is hoping to use that as basis to upturn Tinubu's sham victory, then I am afraid he has no case against the Druggie because it won't work.

Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by hohafrank(m): 1:10pm On Mar 22, 2023
Mindlog:


In real life, if one had 8 As and failed English language......that 8 As need to be investigated, how you take read pass those subjects?🤔
That is reason Tinubu must be investigated.
He has been a fraudster since birth and succeeded.
But this time around his game is over because he has met with wrong group of people.
He will be trashed like tissue papers.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by buharitill2023: 1:11pm On Mar 22, 2023
Skiming247:
If u need two-third of the boys and girls in a class for a task, including a girl in that team become compulsory and not optional
you're right,
Fct is not compulsory
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by hohafrank(m): 1:13pm On Mar 22, 2023
buharitill2023:
you're right,
Fct is not compulsory
Shame on you that you can't comprehend.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Cromagnon: 1:14pm On Mar 22, 2023
IVORY2009:



The problem with INEC is that they don't listen, two highly respected legal personality in the country Mike and Olisa had told them ahead of time about the 25% issue but they kept mute, now the matter is before the court, less see how they would go about this.
so what do you want inec to do about a law that was badly written?
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by buharitill2023: 1:18pm On Mar 22, 2023
SenatePresdo:


"Including"
if you say 24 states including fct,
That means you only need to have 25% in 24 State,
For example,
Make 5 credit including maths and English,
hohafrank:
Shame on you that you can't comprehend.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by buharitill2023: 1:24pm On Mar 22, 2023
wegevv:


This statement is idiotic. The constitution is the constitution. Let me show you:

If someone wins FCT and 22 states they still won't win first ballot. Even if they won more than 2 times the vote of the next person. How can the remaining 14 states be more powerful than the 22 states and FCT? Because the bloody constitution says so lol

Go and fight the constitution lol
the constitution did not say so,
The constitution actually said 24 states and 2/3 of fct.
That is less than 25 states,

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Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Pityoobi: 1:39pm On Mar 22, 2023
wegevv:


This statement is idiotic. The constitution is the constitution. Let me show you:

If someone wins FCT and 22 states they still won't win first ballot. Even if they won more than 2 times the vote of the next person. How can the remaining 14 states be more powerful than the 22 states and FCT? Because the bloody constitution says so lol

Go and fight the constitution lol
You are seriously pained, mumu man! I u understand your precarious condition.

Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by IGBOSON1: 1:40pm On Mar 22, 2023
stagger:
A pass result in WASC or NECO requires 5 credits , INCLUDING English and Maths.

Anything short of this cannot be used to gain admission into any university in Nigeria.

Those who made the constitution of Nigeria (military appointees) viewed FCT as a cosmopolitan area and the nation's capital, and hence decided to make it mandatory to get 25% in the FCT as part of the constitutional requirement.

INEC's lawyers did not properly inform their people and that's why they did not effect their rigging machinery in the FCT. It will come back to bite them later.

Here comes Doctrine of Necessity Part 2.

The bolded cracked me up! grin
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by MyMouth(m): 1:41pm On Mar 22, 2023
webosky:


Child of hate, don't spread hate, the constitution says so, why hating?
Hate kill you there!
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Sheggy13(m): 1:45pm On Mar 22, 2023
SenatePresdo:


So what's the difference?

You used An Adjective twice in a sentence.
Two-third there is a quantifier not technically an adjective. Both sentences are different.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by IGBOSON1: 1:47pm On Mar 22, 2023
MikeofAfrica:


They have use layman language to explain this issue to you.

Our law state that for you to gain admission to the university, you must have credit in 5 subjects and English language.

Hence if you have 8 credits and fail English , you will be denied admission because English language was specifically mentioned as a condition that must be met before gaining admission.

In this case, FCT was specifically mentioned. A candidate has to get 25% in the FCT after getting 25% in 2/3 of the states of the Federation.

The reason for this is that the FCT has no Governor. Hence the President appoints a minister that act as the Governor of FCT.

Hence if the president does not get 25% in FCT, then he has no right to appoint the minister of FCT . In other words, such a person should not have been declared the president in the first place
.

Brilliant submission @the bolded! This is a new angle to the argument no one’s talked about!
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Shantyken(m): 1:55pm On Mar 22, 2023
RexTramadol1:



Waec categorically put Maths and English as Compulsory Subjects.


Is there anything as 25% in FCT is compulsory in the constitution? No.


Just conjunction. It’s a watery ground.

How waec take put math n eng as compulsory subject abi na ur course of study for uni, poly dey decide compulsory subject.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by mod9: 1:57pm On Mar 22, 2023
[ Stop disgracing your English teacher, So you need to insert comma before and after the conjunction AND ? quote author=Throwback post=121963095]

They gave it And because it is not a state but a member component of Nigeria's geography. No comma before the and to make it a seperate consideration.

As it cannot be mentioned as a state, it has to be mentioned by its own name.

So in total, 37 geographical components.[/quote]
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by webosky: 1:57pm On Mar 22, 2023
MyMouth:

Hate kill you there!


Watch who get destroyed with hate, I preach love, you preach hate and bitterness.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Cyberterror: 1:58pm On Mar 22, 2023
Those arguing that 25% is compulsory for FCT are very mischievous. Because the Supreme Court ruled so in 2008 or whenever in a previous case is inconsequential today because Supreme court judgements are not laws in themselves but simply interpretation of laws. That interpretation can change in another case depending on the arguments that the lawyers put forward. There are many instances of such in the history of the supreme court.

Now to the case. The electoral act states that a candidate vying for President must get 25% of the votes in two-thirds of the states and the FCT. The argument is focused on the interpretation of the word and. Keep in mind that Nigeria as a whole is the President's constituency and the FCT is just the seat of office.

But regardless of how "and" is interpreted, both parties on either side agree that the constitution of Nigeria is superior to any other law that is at variance with it, including that contentious electoral act. So, what did the constitution say regarding the FCT?

The constitution says that the FCT should be regarded as a state. It is in plain black and white. In simple terms, it means that the FCT should be treated same way as Lagos state, Borno state, Bayelsa state and the other 33 states. That means the FCT is considered equal and not inferior or superior to each and every one of the 36 states.

In practice, is it so. Yes. But in unique circumstances. The FCT has a minister appointed by the President overseeing its affairs but the states have elected governors doing same. Therefore the President can be considered the defacto governor of the FCT.

The same way state governors are required to win 25% in two-thirds of the local government areas in their states to be elected governor but there is no compulsion to win 25% in the local government area where each state capital city is situate, is same way the President is not under compulsion to win the FCT given the constitutional equality of the states and the FCT.

It is simple and straightforward. Those mentioning 2008 must know that the judgement then is not cast in stone and judges can deviate from precedent if a valid argument persuade them. Judges are not immune from mistakes. So let that be clear. In the USA for example, the Supreme Court there recently overturned the Roe vs Wade precedent that had stood for decades.

APC has solid lawyers who will argue beautifully along this line and the accepted superiority of the Constitution over the Electoral act gives them the advantage.

God bless President Muhammadu Buhari

God bless President-elect Bola Tinubu

God bless this Federal Republic of Nigeria.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by 2tpick: 2:07pm On Mar 22, 2023
MT:


You can only compare like for like. Apple and Mango are fruits but quite different.

Why comparing WAEC to Nigeria constitution? Is that how you do modelling in programming?

Whenever there is ambiguity in our laws, it is ONLY the court that can interprete that section of the law. Just wait for the Supreme Court to determine this.
Comrade your first and second lines do not in anyway fit the information I conveyed in my previous post. We are talking about the intepretation of a simple phrase and not trying to compare any entities here (waec and constitution)
Talking about programming, you ought to know that "and" is a multiplicative boolean operator and yields zero when any of the operand is zero.
This is true everywhere irrespective of any system being modelling and does not need any subjective interpretation.

However, like u said let's wait for the courts to decide.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by emanobis(m): 2:08pm On Mar 22, 2023
I'm nt interested if Tinubu is declared winner or not, but my take is this...
I have noticed certain top officials shying away from certain questions with reasonings that the question bring asked is still in court and they can't interfere.
That being the case, I also think that Tinubu shouldn't be sworn in since his declaration as the winner of the 2023 Presidential Election is still in contention.
Since the matter is still in court, the Constitution should have placed a restriction to that since his declaration is still debatable.
If a land dispute is in court, no one takes owners or possession of the said property until d matter is resolved in the court.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by jumobi1(m): 2:10pm On Mar 22, 2023
The argument that the President is the Governor of the FCT supports a finding that 25% of the FCT must also be won.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by SenatePresdo(m): 2:17pm On Mar 22, 2023
Sheggy13:

Two-third there is a quantifier not technically an adjective. Both sentences are different.

Go to court.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by tosyne2much(m): 2:19pm On Mar 22, 2023
Toks2008:


If you have nothing intelligent to say why not just read comments.
Mr Toks himself, the controversial writer of our time cheesy
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by RexTramadol1: 2:19pm On Mar 22, 2023
Shantyken:


How waec take put math n eng as compulsory subject abi na ur course of study for uni, poly dey decide compulsory subject.



Check Waec guideline again.



Core course is not compulsory subject abeg, na higher institutions u go see core course and electives


In secondary school you have compulsory subjects


Science: Maths, English, Physics, Chemistry and so on


Abeg, check well.
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by SenatePresdo(m): 2:23pm On Mar 22, 2023
buharitill2023:
if you say 24 states including fct,
That means you only need to have 25% in 24 State,
For example,
Make 5 credit including maths and English,

In that case, "include" is synonymous to "and"
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by samuelson06(m): 2:28pm On Mar 22, 2023
SmartPolician:
That FCT 25% NONSENSE sounds absurd to me. FCT is often separated from the 36 states because it's a territory, not a state (they cannot call it 37 states). However, as far as the election is concerned, FCT is like every other state in the country.

BTW, if Peter Obi is hoping to use that as basis to upturn Tinubu's sham victory, then I am afraid he has no case against the Druggie because it won't work.

Nope. The FCT isn't like every other state. Guber election wasn't done there. Think of FCT like the electoral college in the US. Whether the law made a mistake when it said "And FCT" is unfortunate because the law is the law. People read it and it was passed. And for that reason, the court must uphold it. They can choose to repeal it later but for now, it's "And FCT."
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by wegevv: 2:29pm On Mar 22, 2023
buharitill2023:
the constitution did not say so,
The constitution actually said 24 states and 2/3 of fct.
That is less than 25 states,

This one can't even read what I wrote properly lol
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by Injera(f): 2:30pm On Mar 22, 2023
SenatePresdo:
This exactly what will throw this country into and avoidable Flow of blood.

If they dare to overlook the Constitution of FCT 25%.

We are patiently waiting for the court, the tension don over mature.

Na spark we dey wait for.
Sha limit am for se. Try anything for Lagos na shoot on sight
Re: FCT 25% Requirement: Olisa Agbakoba Saw This Coming by wegevv: 2:31pm On Mar 22, 2023
Pityoobi:
You are seriously pained, mumu man! I u understand your precarious condition.

At least you abandoned your idiotic argument. Proud of you ❤️

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