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Truthsbitter:
2014 ... Lol, why should I educate myself on dates/events that doesn't relate with the matter on ground? See difference between dates.. No need arguing with any longer sincerity eludes your opinion on this issue.
On 24 February 2022[/], Russia invaded and occupied parts of Ukraine... Ukraine isn't in any form of chaos as at the time.
Russia is actually attacking a country not under war nor involved in terrorism. A country that have in no way provoke the attack.
That is different from THE SMART TACTICS OF THE US and Russia won't have their way unless they come up with a non violent political approach.

Have a fun with your next reply.. It wouldn't matter

MrBrownJay1:
so you dont even know that the current war in Ukraine STARTED AS A CIVIL WAR BACK IN 2014 and culminated into the invasion of Russia in 2022 (and yet you wanna discuss this issue)?!?!? so you dont know about the DONBAS war which started in 2014 til today? how can Russia annex the Ukraine region of CRIMEA if there was no war in Ukraine all these years?! you people dont know anything and just come to NL writing yeye nonsense!

you people didnt even know that there was a war in Ukraine all these years because you didnt care about Ukraine. the war was happening in Ukraine and Russia was supporting the militia ever since (like the US supported the militias in Libya)... and after 8yrs of war in Ukraine, Russia decided to invade Ukraine (just like the US did in LIbya after supporting the militias for years)

abeg EDUCATE YORUSELF SO I DONT HAVE TO DO IT FOR YOU!!!!

Truthsbitter:
LOL... You further support the fact that Russia is attacking a nation that wasn't under war. I THINK YOU SHOULD EDUCATE YOURSELF, CAUSE I WON'T DO IT FOR YOU AFTER THIS ONE TIME

What happened in 2014?
Going into details will only consume our precious time bro.
In summary
Russia pressured Ukraine not to sign a trade treaty with EU and it resulted into a protest which resulted into a war... Yet again in all scenerio Russia wants to control unkranian economy but their method of violence is not working.
Same thing happening in the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine was what happened in 2014.. Russia dictating to Ukraine who to trade with in 2014, Russia dictating to Ukraine who to ally military force with in 2022. If you ask me the 2014 invation by Russia was more unprovoked than the current one.

There was a sudden change of decision by Yanukovyh
"In November 2013, a wave of large-scale protests (known as Euromaidan) began in response to President Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign a political association and free trade agreement with the European Union (EU), instead choosing closer ties to Russia."

And it was as a result of pressure from outside force "Russia". Probably a threat laced with violence.
"Earlier that year, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukrainian parliament) had overwhelmingly approved finalizing the agreement with the EU.[26] Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it."

Ukrainians knew what was going on and then this:
"The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of Yanukovych and the Azarov government.[28] Protesters opposed what they saw as widespread government corruption"
And then this
"following Ukraine's Revolution of Dignity, anti-revolution and pro-Russian protests began in Ukraine's Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts,"


Then this
"Russia occupied and then annexed Crimea,[38][39] while armed pro-Russian separatists seized government buildings and proclaimed the independent states of Donetsk and Luhansk, sparking the Donbas war."
It was all planned by Russian government .. If they want Ukraine they should up their game... That's all it needs. And it has to be a non violent method otherwise they will lose a lot of neighbouring countries to the US. Which by the way is already happening.

MrBrownJay1:
a civil war started in Ukraine in 2014 (just like the civil war that started in Libya), Russia decides to support anti gov forces (just like the US did in Libya), afterwards Russia invaded Ukraine (just like the US did in Libya)... HOW DIFFICULT IS IT TO UNDERSTAND?!?

again, you either stand by what the US/RUSSIA does around the world, or you dont, but STOP BEING A HYPOCRITE here!

Truthsbitter:
No bro it is not hard to understand and I am certainly not being hypocritical.

The US didn't dictate to libyans before any Libyan protest and civil war, neither did they invade Libya before any form of violence was established. If they had hands in inciting any violence in Libya in was mostly silent if not invisible and it was non violent. in all attacks on Libya, the US only took advantage of terrorist attacks and war events in Libya and by Libyans.

And that is not what Russia have done in Ukraine both in 2014 and 2022

MrBrownJay1:
you must be a novice... the US dictates to the whole world what they want them to do, and when you dont follow, they train/arm gov opposition forces and/or militias to destabilize the gov...and when that doesnt work, they physically invade the country... like they did in Libya, Irak, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan, Cuba, Panama, Chad, Nicaragua, Congo, Egypt, Guatemala, Indonesia, dominican republic, Yugoslavia, Haiti, Vietnam, Chile, Bolivia, Ethiopia, Angola etc... just like Russia did in Ukraine!

abeg educate yourself!

Truthsbitter:
Show me where they did without a tangible reason...
Show me bro
You should educated yourself rather

MrBrownJay1:
today is your lucky day
where do you want me to start...?! choose any ONE of the country that i mentionned and i will expose the US involvement with gov opposition forces to destabilize the gov in place and/or invasion of that said country (when it didnt work).

Truthsbitter:
Cool!
I already know what you're going write about Libya and we both know our stands on that.. So I will randomly pick another but I am sure we might just end up on same note as Libya. Anyways let's do it just for doing sake.

I pick iraq
Come on bro let's get it on!

MrBrownJay1:
wait...out of all countries, Irak is the one you decided to pick?!?!?! ok lets do it...

Irak possess some of the biggest oil fields in the world and the US gov wanted to control it so they KNOWINGLY LIED about weapon of mass destruction in Irak.. and even when the UN clearly stated that invaded Irak was wrong and that it WAS 100% ILLEGAL, the US went ahead amd illegally invaded Iraq in 2003, murder Saddam Hussein and stole the country's natural ressources (aka oil). it is well known that Bush and Blair are the main culprit in this pre emptive strike madness. COME ON!!!!

there was NO REASON; NO LEGALITY for the US to invade Irak in 2003... and even when the UN said there was no reason for US to invade Irak, they still went ahead and did so. even the United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in September 2004 that: "From our point of view and the UN Charter point of view, the invasion of irak in 2003 by the US was illegal." but yet, nobody came to the Iraqi people rescue, like they do now in Ukraine.

The invasion of Ukraine by Russia today is exactly the same as the invasion of Irak by the US in 2003, duh!!!!

but hey, dont take my word for it...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQyN4X0sFdA

Truthsbitter:
I believe you know very well the story between Bush and Saddam. (so I will try to leave out factual quotes due the length of this reply)
1.Bush played a political game wrongly to incriminate Saddam and attack on that bases. HYPOCRISY #1...same political game played today between Russia and the US which led to the invasion of Ukraine Ukraine
2.The UN and most of Europe were not with him on this, in fact they later concluded that his claims about Saddam hosting alqeuda and also building a nuclear weapon has no substantial proofs and so would probably be considered not true.
And they later condemned the actions of Bush to a point where it would have been considered criminal. And it was not for a reason (up until this day it is unsure if Saddam had terrorist as allies or not. In fact it could be said that he did and I will proof that here). Read on.
HYPOCRISY #2... everyone was against the invasion of Irak but nobody did anything to protect Irak, while when the same thing happens in Ukraine, everyone rallies against Russia and send military protection to Ukraine.
3.The US was cautioned and the attack stopped (even while the second phase was still getting read. Note this) HYPOCRISY #3... by the time the invasion stopped, the country was already in the hands of the invaders and they control of the country's oil and put a puppet leader in place that they control.
5.Citizens of United state fought against Bush and sincerely condemn his actions. HYPOCRISY #4...many Russian citizen today are also against the war in Ukraine, so what? did it make the west protect saddam Hussein and Irak like they are doing in Ukraine? whatever Saddam did, the invasion was wrong but they didnt care and went ahead anyway. so stop the hypocrisy pretending that Ukraine is any different. the US stopped the invasion when they got what they came for and stole the 100s of billions of gold reserve that Saddam had, stole all his wealth and took over the control of the country's oil and government

FORWARDEVERLY:
I once regarded Julius Malema... But it seems he is a Fool....
How dare a South African tell Uganda govt how to run their affairs....
Seems this fool has not hear about the word "Sovereignty" before...

JaceBlaze:
Hang in there.I bet you will like him again when he starts defending drug dealers and human traffickers again.

JaceBlaze:
Hang in there.I bet you will like him again when he starts defending drug dealers and human traffickers again.

FORWARDEVERLY:
Did you smoke dog shit??
Who da fcvk are you?? And what bullcrap are you saying??