Cashmadam:


600 Pounds is not likely to be enough to buy your ticket....

800 Pounds may buy your ticket but won't leave any money for other expenses...

I will be traveling from within Europe ... Flight fee is like £150

Bmuhd4smile:
Okay thank you. I will adjust to 7days

increase trip. I concur 4 days is troubling. By the time you take out arrival and departure dates you are left with 2 days of touristing… ECO will help you to say hmmmmmm very well

Bmuhd4smile:


I think I should reduce the UK total proposed expenses to like £600 if I will be using 4days .... Or change the duration of stay to 7days and maintain £800 total expenses

Maybe be a bit more realistic.
It’s not about reducing or increasing dates it’s more about what you can actually afford.
For example someone here adviced you to reduce your stated monthly expenditure but you cannot really do that as when you submit your statement they will calculate it irrespective of what you have said.
Ask yourself why you have chosen 4days also,and you have still not said who is accommodating you.If it is someone you should be okay but if you staying in paid accommodation then 4 days is already £200(@£50 per night in a bed and breakfast).
So For example £200 accommodation + £150 return ticket as you stated + £300 emergency cash(feeding,internal transport,shopping) is already £650 how will your new proposed expense of £600 work?.

Tutu82:

Maybe be a bit more realistic.
It’s not about reducing or increasing dates it’s more about what you can actually afford.
For example someone here adviced you to reduce your stated monthly expenditure but you cannot really do that as when you submit your statement they will calculate it irrespective of what you have said.
Ask yourself why you have chosen 4days also,and you have still not said who is accommodating you.If it is someone you should be okay but if you staying in paid accommodation then 4 days is already £200(@£50 per night in a bed and breakfast).
So For example £200 accommodation + £150 return ticket as you stated + £300 emergency cash(feeding,internal transport,shopping) is already £650 how will your new proposed expense of £600 work?.

Thank you for this enlightening analysis.

giselle237:
increase trip. I concur 4 days is troubling. By the time you take out arrival and departure dates you are left with 2 days of touristing… ECO will help you to say hmmmmmm very well

😆😆

Good morning honourables,
Pls apart from intl passports,what are the documents a male dependant travelling with his five children to UK should hold whose wife is already in UK with work Visa?

Finally,what are the likely questions at the point of entry in Heathrow airport?

Dependants already in UK,pls help in answering these question,

Thanks.

ezegold4we:
Good morning honourables,
Pls apart from intl passports,what are the documents a male dependant travelling with his five children to UK should hold whose wife is already in UK with work Visa?

Finally,what are the likely questions at the point of entry in Heathrow airport?

Dependants already in UK,pls help in answering these question,

Thanks.

Good morning.
For questions at Border control the officer looks at your group and does a quick assessment.This means you could be asked a few questions or loads.

Examples are why are you coming to the uk and for how long.The children especially the youngest can be asked leading question about their school and family life such as why did daddy bring you here.They are easy and straightforward.

5 children is quite a number.I suggest in your hand luggage just incase have a file with copies of the children’s birth certificate,your marriage certificate,consent letter from your wife alongside her data page plus contact details i.e Address and phone number as they might want to ring her.

Make sure you know the company she works for and her job title.

Hope it all goes well especially the settling down phase.

giselle237:
she does not need to sponsor anything

On a sponsor' letter being issued we have this written as follows:

XYZ Limited is sponsoring this vacation. The sponsorship covers flight ticket, hotel cost, local transport allowance and upkeep.


The total estimated cost is already on the application form. Is it necessary to also include the amount for each support on the letter? Or the total on the form can be put in parenthesis here. Or it can be left as it is?

Thank you.

Good evening,

I’ve only gotten a 6 months visa but I made 3 trips in that 6 months.

Is it safe to apply for 10 years visa?

karferguso:
Good evening,

I’ve only gotten a 6 months visa but I made 3 trips in that 6 months.

Is it safe to apply for 10 years visa?

Yes, you can

karferguso:
Good evening,

I’ve only gotten a 6 months visa but I made 3 trips in that 6 months.

Is it safe to apply for 10 years visa?

Very safe..

However, if I were you, I would apply for 2 years first. Those people can be very suspicious. They might think you travelled 3 times in 6 months to "win their trust" before you "japa"finally.

Tutu82:

Maybe be a bit more realistic.
It’s not about reducing or increasing dates it’s more about what you can actually afford.
For example someone here adviced you to reduce your stated monthly expenditure but you cannot really do that as when you submit your statement they will calculate it irrespective of what you have said.
Ask yourself why you have chosen 4days also,and you have still not said who is accommodating you.If it is someone you should be okay but if you staying in paid accommodation then 4 days is already £200(@£50 per night in a bed and breakfast).
So For example £200 accommodation + £150 return ticket as you stated + £300 emergency cash(feeding,internal transport,shopping) is already £650 how will your new proposed expense of £600 work?.

Nobody asked him to reduce his monthly expenditure...Be factual.

Cashmadam:


Very safe..

However, if I were you, I would apply for 2 years first. Those people can be very suspicious. They might think you travelled 3 times in 6 months to "win their trust" before you "japa"finally.

Cash madam too smart.
I've wanted to quote the OP with this same advice.

2yrs is the best for now, then after 10yrs straight

Bmuhd4smile:


Thank you for this enlightening analysis.

I have responded to your email.

Hello house, I am considering applying for an Administrative Review of our visa application as I am not satisfied of the outcome and it appears as though the refusal was on purpose and as far as I am concerned, it was not justified. The facts are set out below:

So my family applied for a UK visitor’s visa last September but they were refused on the grounds that my partner’s bank statements were confusing. The reason for the confusion was that she was mixing her business money together with upkeep money and her salary which ought not to be.

Fast forward to April 2023 (exactly 6 months after the last refusal), I employed the services of an agent who helped with the calculation of what she spends every month and we ensured that during this waiting period of 6 months, she did not mix her side hustle money with her salary or even family upkeep money which all have different accounts.

At the point of applying, we backed it up with a cover letter addressing the issue from the last application and this time around everything was very clean and there were no mix up here and there. My partner also stated on the cover letter that I am solely responsible for the trip. On my part, I wrote a cover letter explaining the same thing that I am 100 percent responsible for the expenses of the proposed trip and I added my company registration documents, property documents and a 6 month bank statement from October 1, 2022 till March,2023 ending.

The budget was 1,200 GBP per person and for 5 people, which includes me, it would be about 6K GBP. Meanwhile, the business account had up to 45K pounds at the point of reapplying and during the 6 months period, there were inflow/outflow with the credit side being NGN30M and debit side NGN26M. Moreso, from the previous application to the last one, the account balance was almost the same (region of NGN25M) which shows that the money is readily available should the visa be granted. However, we got a refusal on the basis of my partner’s account balances at the end of each month (despite stating clearly that I am responsible for all incidental expenses relating to the trip and also, they mentioned that the money in the business account may not be available for the trip. This is disappointing to say the least because it’s the same account I used in procuring my 6 months and 2 years UK visas with no issues. They are also aware that I have 100 percent control of this account because I got a letter to that effect when I reapplied for my own 6 months visa after my initial refusal which I was later granted. Please I need advice on the best way to approach it because reapplying is NOT an option as it appears its deliberate and I need to set the records straight however long it takes.

esdajo:
Hello house, I am considering applying for an Administrative Review of our visa application as I am not satisfied of the outcome and it appears as though the refusal was on purpose and as far as I am concerned, it was not justified. The facts are set out below:

So my family applied for a UK visitor’s visa last September but they were refused on the grounds that my partner’s bank statements were confusing. The reason for the confusion was that she was mixing her business money together with upkeep money and her salary which ought not to be.

Fast forward to April 2023 (exactly 6 months after the last refusal), I employed the services of an agent who helped with the calculation of what she spends every month and we ensured that during this waiting period of 6 months, she did not mix her side hustle money with her salary or even family upkeep money which all have different accounts.

At the point of applying, we backed it up with a cover letter addressing the issue from the last application and this time around everything was very clean and there were no mix up here and there. My partner also stated on the cover letter that I am solely responsible for the trip. On my part, I wrote a cover letter explaining the same thing that I am 100 percent responsible for the expenses of the proposed trip and I added my company registration documents, property documents and a 6 month bank statement from October 1, 2022 till March,2023 ending.

The budget was 1,200 GBP per person and for 5 people, which includes me, it would be about 6K GBP. Meanwhile, the business account had up to 45K pounds at the point of reapplying and during the 6 months period, there were inflow/outflow with the credit side being NGN30M and debit side NGN26M. Moreso, from the previous application to the last one, the account balance was almost the same (region of NGN25M) which shows that the money is readily available should the visa be granted. However, we got a refusal on the basis of my partner’s account balances at the end of each month (despite stating clearly that I am responsible for all incidental expenses relating to the trip and also, they mentioned that the money in the business account may not be available for the trip. This is disappointing to say the least because it’s the same account I used in procuring my 6 months and 2 years UK visas with no issues. They are also aware that I have 100 percent control of this account because I got a letter to that effect when I reapplied for my own 6 months visa after my initial refusal which I was later granted. Please I need advice on the best way to approach it because reapplying is NOT an option as it appears its deliberate and I need to set the records straight however long it takes.

Is administrative review now allowed for visit visa refusal??

@esdajo… you talked about 5 people.. can you please let me know who the other 4 are and if they got their visas? Where you also sponsoring all 5? From what account pls? Why did ECO say the bank balances monthly were volatile and there was too much demand on the acct to the point that there were very low balances consistently?

giselle237:
@esdajo… you talked about 5 people.. can you please let me know who the other 4 are and if they got their visas? Where you also sponsoring all 5? From what account pls? Why did ECO say the bank balances monthly were volatile and there was too much demand on the acct to the point that there were very low balances consistently?

The other people are my partner and kids who were refused. I have a visa so I didn’t apply with them aside writing a sponsorship letter and attaching my business documents and bank statement. I also included my previous and current UK visa and Schengen residence permit.

advanceDNA:


Is administrative review now allowed for visit visa refusal??

Don’t mind me. My head is hot right now. I want to file a complaint regardless cos it’s really unfair.

Hi gurus in the house, Urgent help needed. I am applying for visitor's visa for my mum and my husband who is British is her sponsor and also covering cost of the trip.

I opted for the self upload option.
Not sure what to include under the Accommodation evidence as she will be staying with us and I have already uploaded evidence of our house under the sponsor evidence.

Also, there is a category for family evidence? I included our marriage certificate and my birth certificate under sponsor evidence to show that a genuine relationship exists between my mum and my husband. So not sure what to include under family evidence. Is there any need to include my mum's marriage certificate even though she will be travelling alone under the family evidence?


Do u get penalised if u include same document under two categories that might overlap? Like lets say, including the my marriage certificate and my birth certificate under sponsor evidence and also under family evidence.

Your help is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

esdajo:
Hello house, I am considering applying for an Administrative Review of our visa application as I am not satisfied of the outcome and it appears as though the refusal was on purpose and as far as I am concerned, it was not justified. The facts are set out below:

So my family applied for a UK visitor’s visa last September but they were refused on the grounds that my partner’s bank statements were confusing. The reason for the confusion was that she was mixing her business money together with upkeep money and her salary which ought not to be.

Fast forward to April 2023 (exactly 6 months after the last refusal), I employed the services of an agent who helped with the calculation of what she spends every month and we ensured that during this waiting period of 6 months, she did not mix her side hustle money with her salary or even family upkeep money which all have different accounts.

At the point of applying, we backed it up with a cover letter addressing the issue from the last application and this time around everything was very clean and there were no mix up here and there. My partner also stated on the cover letter that I am solely responsible for the trip. On my part, I wrote a cover letter explaining the same thing that I am 100 percent responsible for the expenses of the proposed trip and I added my company registration documents, property documents and a 6 month bank statement from October 1, 2022 till March,2023 ending.

The budget was 1,200 GBP per person and for 5 people, which includes me, it would be about 6K GBP. Meanwhile, the business account had up to 45K pounds at the point of reapplying and during the 6 months period, there were inflow/outflow with the credit side being NGN30M and debit side NGN26M. Moreso, from the previous application to the last one, the account balance was almost the same (region of NGN25M) which shows that the money is readily available should the visa be granted. However, we got a refusal on the basis of my partner’s account balances at the end of each month (despite stating clearly that I am responsible for all incidental expenses relating to the trip and also, they mentioned that the money in the business account may not be available for the trip. This is disappointing to say the least because it’s the same account I used in procuring my 6 months and 2 years UK visas with no issues. They are also aware that I have 100 percent control of this account because I got a letter to that effect when I reapplied for my own 6 months visa after my initial refusal which I was later granted. Please I need advice on the best way to approach it because reapplying is NOT an option as it appears its deliberate and I need to set the records straight however long it takes.

Sorry about the refusals. 2 refusals back to back is a tough one.

First, I noted that your wife's salary is low. That might be a problem - although it was not stated. The truth of the matter is that the ECO always reviews the applicant's financial standing. They want to be sure that the applicant can sustain his/herself in the event the sponsor is unable to provide the funds.

Also, using the money in your business account to fund a trip is a red flag. You should have provided your personal account and ensured you had more than enough funds in it.

I don't know if you can appeal by writing to the UK High Commission. It might be easier to simply reapply next year.

Cashmadam:


Sorry about the refusals. 2 refusals back to back is a tough one.

First, I noted that your wife's salary is low. That might be a problem - although it was not stated. The truth of the matter is that the ECO always reviews the applicant's financial standing. They want to be sure that the applicant can sustain his/herself in the event the sponsor is unable to provide the funds.

Also, using the money in your business account to fund a trip is a red flag. You should have provided your personal account and ensured you had more than enough funds in it.

I don't know if you can appeal by writing to the UK High Commission. It might be easier to simply reapply next year.

Thanks for your contribution but there are some full time housewives whose husbands wouldn’t allow them to work and yet they are issued visas, provided they are not the ones responsible for the trip. In this case, I am finding the trip and I usually move funds from the said account into my personal account for running expenses and I still got 2 UK visas with the same account. How is it different now and considering the fact that my account balance has been constant for over 6 months with inflow/outflow? Besides, what fraction is 6k pounds to 45k pounds that the money won’t be available for a 2 week trip? Will the account be empty from when the visa was applied for to its issuance? We don’t intend to reapply as it may show desperation but to register our displeasure. It’s not a crime to take my family on a foreign trip so they too can have a firsthand account of how it is over there. My partner is working full time and studying part time on weekends. They have all the evidence in front of them. Please is there a way to write this people and register our displeasure formally as a way of setting the records straight ?

esdajo:


Thanks for your contribution but there are some full time housewives whose husbands wouldn’t allow them to work and yet they are issued visas, provided they are not the ones responsible for the trip. In this case, I am finding the trip and I usually move funds from the said account into my personal account for running expenses and I still got 2 UK visas with the same account. How is it different now and considering the fact that my account balance has been constant for over 6 months with inflow/outflow? Besides, what fraction is 6k pounds to 45k pounds that the money won’t be available for a 2 week trip? Will the account be empty from when the visa was applied for to its issuance? We don’t intend to reapply as it may show desperation but to register our displeasure. It’s not a crime to take my family on a foreign trip so they too can have a firsthand account of how it is over there. My partner is working full time and studying part time on weekends. They have all the evidence in front of them. Please is there a way to write this people and register our displeasure formally as a way of setting the records straight ?

I feel your frustration.

Yes, if you are a full time house wife, then it is fine. But to the ECO, if you are working, your salary must take you home. If you get my drift.

Sometimes, it is difficult to understand the reason for the refusal. But reasons have been given and you should address them anytime you reapply in future.

Many years ago, you could write a letter to register your displeasure and in some cases, the decision is overturned. In recent times, I haven't heard of anyone that got a feedback after writing a letter. Not even an acknowledgement of the letter.

I know you are very angry and that is understandable. If you can, take your family to Dubai, Seychelles etc. Then try again in future. Good luck.

esdajo:


The other people are my partner and kids who were refused. I have a visa so I didn’t apply with them aside writing a sponsorship letter and attaching my business documents and bank statement. I also included my previous and current UK visa and Schengen residence permit.

have they been to the Schenghen region? The partner and kids? What is their own travel history? And why did we think we could do all 5 sponsorships from the business account even if you used it in the past for yourself. I can say for free that in 95% of applications if you present a business account for a personal trip you will be refused on such.. and for 5 whole human beings it is a lot.
Please erase the thinking that business account statement is for you to sponsor yourself and 5 other family members to the UK.
Explore why your ppl have refused to apply for schenghen also as u have a residence permit for there? I hope ECO is also not worried about that then camouflaging with other reasons as the issues for denial
Your wife has no ties to Nigeria if you still resident in Europe… her job is poor and the kids which could serves as ties will ff her to uk to come and meet you… then you are not in Nigeria.. when all of you jam in UK and seek asylum then what happens?
The ECO is working on probabilities to give a visa… in their head they have to answer the questions of why an applicant will COME BACK. what answers that your wife and 4 kids will come back?
The above are strictly my views expressed and not professional advice

Hi gurus in the house, Urgent help needed. I am applying for visitor's visa for my mum and my husband who is British is her sponsor and also covering cost of the trip.

I opted for the self upload option.
Not sure what to include under the Accommodation evidence as she will be staying with us and I have already uploaded evidence of our house under the sponsor evidence.

Also, there is a category for family evidence? I included our marriage certificate and my birth certificate under sponsor evidence to show that a genuine relationship exists between my mum and my husband. So not sure what to include under family evidence. Is there any need to include my mum's marriage certificate even though she will be travelling alone under the family evidence?


Do u get penalised if u include same document under two categories that might overlap? Like lets say, including the my marriage certificate and my birth certificate under sponsor evidence and also under family evidence.

Your help is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

[quote author=Cashmadam post=122537260]

Not necessarily. her bank statement is there to prove that she has some money of her own (the balance is irrelevant here). Her bank statement is not to prove she is sponsoring herself.

So, let me make this simple. When I sponsored my daughter, she was not my dependant. I did not list her as my dependant. She is an adult and she's working. I sponsored her cos she's still mummy's little girl . Although I was her sponsor, she included her bank statement - as well as mine. That's the same scenerio with your Mum. You will sponsor her but let her add her bank statement. I hope this helps.

My Beloved Sister CashMadam, God bless you for always taking your time to explain issues to us on this thread 🥰

To get UK visa now is by luck.

If you like have 500 million in your account, they can still reject.

May God help us.

shyy:
Hi gurus in theYour help is very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

pictures, money transfer receipts etc to substantiate proof of relationship.. also no one will penalise u for uploading docs twice.. for d house can use mortgage papers or tenancy agreements..
the problem is not ur husband sponsoring
She must prove her own ties to Nigeria.. anything she can submit to show why she must go back to Nigeria will help. In this case the marriage certificate comes into play for example to prove she is married and will go back to her husband.. and that’s how it continues

Cashmadam:


I feel your frustration.

Yes, if you are a full time house wife, then it is fine. But to the ECO, if you are working, your salary must take you home. If you get my drift.

Sometimes, it is difficult to understand the reason for the refusal. But reasons have been given and you should address them anytime you reapply in future.

Many years ago, you could write a letter to register your displeasure and in some cases, the decision is overturned. In recent times, I haven't heard of anyone that got a feedback after writing a letter. Not even an acknowledgement of the letter.

I know you are very angry and that is understandable. If you can, take your family to Dubai, Seychelles etc. Then try again in future. Good luck.

Thanks ma'am. That's what I intend to do.

giselle237:
pictures, money transfer receipts etc to substantiate proof of relationship.. also no one will penalise u for uploading docs twice.. for d house can use mortgage papers or tenancy agreements..
the problem is not ur husband sponsoring
She must prove her own ties to Nigeria.. anything she can submit to show why she must go back to Nigeria will help. In this case the marriage certificate comes into play for example to prove she is married and will go back to her husband.. and that’s how it continues

She has a full-time job, shes a student and property ownership documents is in our names, family pictures, change of last name, etc. I am even in Nigeria atm so what else do they want? Thanks for your contribution sir. Na them sabi!

esdajo:
She has a full-time job, shes a student and property ownership documents is in our names, family pictures, change of last name, etc. I am even in Nigeria atm so what else do they want? Thanks for your contribution sir. Na them sabi!

what u quoted is different from what I wrote to you. You can read it later.