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Hian, another Obodoyibo versus Stay with Buhari in Nigeria, una no dey taya for this kind thread

Japarians don come again


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And they lived happily ever after. This made me she'd tears 😂

Hamachi:
What are the pros and cons of living abroad?
It depends if you are moving for financial or non financial reasons, and how long you move for.

If you are moving for a short period of time when you are young, there are seldom many negatives.

Few people regret studying abroad for a year, doing an internship or a gap year.

When it comes to longer-term assignments, financial considerations are important for most people.

The major positives associated with moving abroad are

If you work for a multi-national, there are sometimes bigger packages abroad, especially in frontier markets due to hardship allowances. For instance, if you are an oil & gas engineer working in Canada or Norway, you are likely to be paid more if you move to Nigeria or Myanmar on a two-year contract.
For business owners, the world markets are always a bigger opportunity than just only focusing on the local market. Whilst it is true that you can target people online successfully, a stint overseas will teach you about other cultures, give you fresh ideas and so on.
New languages and skills will help you if you move back to your home country
If you are high-net-worth you can save a lot on taxes if you move to certain countries, and do the right planning

The main negatives are

In your home country you get back ended benefits. In low-tax countries overseas, you get front ended benefits. What do I mean by that? In your home country, you might feel you are being weighed down by the taxes. However, you get back some of that money when you get old or are sick as per the graph below:

In comparison, if you have more money from lower taxes, you get front ended benefits. This can be great, but only if you are self-disciplined enough to save and invest more.

However, plenty of people in low taxes countries like the UAE and Singapore don’t do that, as many studies have shown
Career wise, you will be behind your peer back home, if you don’t use your time overseas wisely.
What are the pros and cons of teaching abroad?
What are the advantages or disadvantages of living and working abroad?
What are the pros and cons of moving back to your home country after living abroad?
What are the pros and cons of living in your country?

What are the pros and cons of moving abroad, and where are some good places to live?
Let´s start with the cons to get that out of the way first

1.
The more countries you have lived in, the more you loose a sense of belonging (at least I feel that way). I have lived in 9 different ones and although I have of course great memories and part of my heart is in all of them, I feel I belong nowhere and certainly not in my home country anymore either.

After so many years I crave a sense of belonging, a base to call home (even if it just means to be there a couple of months a year), friends I do not have to say goodbye to every few months or years. And no, to stay in touch on Social Media is not the same at all, I personally create bonding through shared experiences and not by living in past memories.

2.
If you move a lot and you know you will not be in a place for a very long time, you wonder if it makes sense to emotionally invest in relationships and friendships and I think sometimes relationship become more superficial because building them takes time and commitment and you know you will leave again and who wants heart breaks.

3.
Depending on your age group, aging parents back home suddenly become a concern. One is far away and cannot just jump in a plane and is home in one hour. A sense of guilt sets in even if your loved ones give you no reason to feel guilt and its only in your head. And you also realize time becomes more precious and one is far away.

4.
When you get home you realize your friends are more or less still the same, they have aged too, might have created a family, changed jobs, etc. but essentially they are still the same. You on the other hand have changed, its unavoidable. Your horizons have widened and you might not have that much in common with old friends anymore. There is a sense of loss and sadness.

5.
Depending on where you are abroad, romantic relationships can take a back seat. If an independent western single women in her late twenties or thirties comes for example to Asia with the hope to not only find professional opportunities and adventures but also a partner to create a family with, I would say, think twice, your choices will be limited, but that is a topic for a different question.

6.
The longer you are in a certain region the more difficult it will be to go back to your home country if you ever want to return, because your skills and experiences will become more bankable in your new country than in your home country. If your business is online it’s a different story of course.

7.
Loneliness can also be an issue. If you do not consider yourself the love of your life and enjoy time alone too, you will struggle, because it is unavoidable that there will be moments when you will be alone, especially if you just arrive in a new place. And when you get sick its also not exactly fun.

8.
Constantly having to let go is sad, at least for me. I do not like to let go of things, people, places that entered my heart, but sometimes life changes and there is nothing you can do about it.

In many places (such as Singapore, Dubai for example) people are in transit, they stay for a couple of years and then they move on, you might loose a job and the work permit that goes with it and the list goes on. If you have no plan B, the stress level rises.

9.
You feel often disconnected if you do not speak the local language, but might also not live there long enough to really fluently communicate. Some languages especially for westerns are just not so easy to learn (thai is one of them).

The frustration you feel when you start learning a new language and can only express yourself like a 2 year old in the body and with the mind of a grown up person.

10.

Personally I also feel sometimes alone, when there is nobody who shares a certain sense of humor. Humor is often very different and culture specific. I can laugh my head off about certain things or situations and my colleagues just look at me and wonder what that is all about.

And they laugh about certain things and I cannot see what is funny about it either. Laughing is also about bonding with people, so I can say sometimes I miss bonding over a shared sense of humor.

Now that we are done with some of the cons, lets talk about the wonderful pros.

1.
You change for the better

2.
You become more tolerant

3.
You become a better Ambassador of your home country when you return. I swear, whenever I return home, I am particularly friendly to anybody who is foreign, I feel so connected because I am a foreigner in other countries too, so I want them to feel welcome and leave with good memories.

4.
Once you have lived abroad, this place will never ever be just a dot on the map. It will penetrate your memory, it will become part of your history, if you disliked your experience or loved it does not matter, it will never leave you indifferent anymore.

5.
You develop courage and learn how to overcome obstacles

6.
You learn to rely on yourself

7.
You realize that essentially all people in the world are the same, we are just shaped by different education, background, beliefs, etc. but we all want to be respected, loved, heard and acknowledged.

8.
You become more flexible (you just have to)

9.
You age slower, because whenever you learn or see something new it feels the days are much longer and more intense. Every day is a new adventure and there is less routine.

10.
Everywhere I go there is something I love and I weave it into my personality to take it with me. It is like as I go along, I create a more interesting and better version of myself (at least I think that, but that is a good start).

11.
You learn to judge less and listen more.

12.
You will feel more emotionally connected to the world.

Sukkot ni bo lo wa? Food ti de

Mindlog:
Are what you mentioned, not what is sustaining the UK system?

I wonder why paying to support your own seed (child) is a disadvantage, the non-institutionalized child support and neglect of some children in Nigeria by their fathers with little or no consequence, is an advantage?

Leave them, they no next to nothing. Has he ever seen their old in bad shape because of poverty? Especially those that did their job when they were young.

Well, migrate to a low tax paying country🤷🏾‍♂️

For u to mention Child Support, na wa o.
How much are you paying as Child Support?

Well said bro, I feel you.

It’s irritating seeing people that don’t live abroad always complaining. I’m beginning to believe the government may be the one sponsoring such treads in various platforms. It’s all about choice. Leave people that want to travel to travel and those that want to stay to stay back. This forum and nonsense treads weekly sef.

When we tell people they will be telling us we are discouraging People from progressing..

What I know is no be everybody dey go beg for embassy for Visa is easy to get for some people and you will still see doz kind of people staying back some don experience d Life and choose to jejely pack dere things and come back home..


The same way Nigeria isn't for everybody is the same way abroad isn't for everybody...


If you're poor and you've the chance go dere you will still have the zeal and passion to hustle buh if you're okay in Nigeria just stay jejely bkuz you will not have that type of Zeal and passion a Poor man still has...

My friend has a British Passport e no even dey follow people queue for Visa again he don return to Naija since after Covid he left his Wife and Kids dere he has refused to go back his doing one Project instead of going to UK to hustle the money na Loan for Nigeria bank he go dey take nd he just stick to his business na him he dey use service the Loan....

Did you write this? It’s high detail. Thank you.

Hamachi:
What are the pros and cons of living abroad?
It depends if you are moving for financial or non financial reasons, and how long you move for.

If you are moving for a short period of time when you are young, there are seldom many negatives.

Few people regret studying abroad for a year, doing an internship or a gap year.

When it comes to longer-term assignments, financial considerations are important for most people.

The major positives associated with moving abroad are

If you work for a multi-national, there are sometimes bigger packages abroad, especially in frontier markets due to hardship allowances. For instance, if you are an oil & gas engineer working in Canada or Norway, you are likely to be paid more if you move to Nigeria or Myanmar on a two-year contract.
For business owners, the world markets are always a bigger opportunity than just only focusing on the local market. Whilst it is true that you can target people online successfully, a stint overseas will teach you about other cultures, give you fresh ideas and so on.
New languages and skills will help you if you move back to your home country
If you are high-net-worth you can save a lot on taxes if you move to certain countries, and do the right planning

The main negatives are

In your home country you get back ended benefits. In low-tax countries overseas, you get front ended benefits. What do I mean by that? In your home country, you might feel you are being weighed down by the taxes. However, you get back some of that money when you get old or are sick as per the graph below:

In comparison, if you have more money from lower taxes, you get front ended benefits. This can be great, but only if you are self-disciplined enough to save and invest more.

However, plenty of people in low taxes countries like the UAE and Singapore don’t do that, as many studies have shown
Career wise, you will be behind your peer back home, if you don’t use your time overseas wisely.
What are the pros and cons of teaching abroad?
What are the advantages or disadvantages of living and working abroad?
What are the pros and cons of moving back to your home country after living abroad?
What are the pros and cons of living in your country?

What are the pros and cons of moving abroad, and where are some good places to live?
Let´s start with the cons to get that out of the way first

1.
The more countries you have lived in, the more you loose a sense of belonging (at least I feel that way). I have lived in 9 different ones and although I have of course great memories and part of my heart is in all of them, I feel I belong nowhere and certainly not in my home country anymore either.

After so many years I crave a sense of belonging, a base to call home (even if it just means to be there a couple of months a year), friends I do not have to say goodbye to every few months or years. And no, to stay in touch on Social Media is not the same at all, I personally create bonding through shared experiences and not by living in past memories.

2.
If you move a lot and you know you will not be in a place for a very long time, you wonder if it makes sense to emotionally invest in relationships and friendships and I think sometimes relationship become more superficial because building them takes time and commitment and you know you will leave again and who wants heart breaks.

3.
Depending on your age group, aging parents back home suddenly become a concern. One is far away and cannot just jump in a plane and is home in one hour. A sense of guilt sets in even if your loved ones give you no reason to feel guilt and its only in your head. And you also realize time becomes more precious and one is far away.

4.
When you get home you realize your friends are more or less still the same, they have aged too, might have created a family, changed jobs, etc. but essentially they are still the same. You on the other hand have changed, its unavoidable. Your horizons have widened and you might not have that much in common with old friends anymore. There is a sense of loss and sadness.

5.
Depending on where you are abroad, romantic relationships can take a back seat. If an independent western single women in her late twenties or thirties comes for example to Asia with the hope to not only find professional opportunities and adventures but also a partner to create a family with, I would say, think twice, your choices will be limited, but that is a topic for a different question.

6.
The longer you are in a certain region the more difficult it will be to go back to your home country if you ever want to return, because your skills and experiences will become more bankable in your new country than in your home country. If your business is online it’s a different story of course.

7.
Loneliness can also be an issue. If you do not consider yourself the love of your life and enjoy time alone too, you will struggle, because it is unavoidable that there will be moments when you will be alone, especially if you just arrive in a new place. And when you get sick its also not exactly fun.

8.
Constantly having to let go is sad, at least for me. I do not like to let go of things, people, places that entered my heart, but sometimes life changes and there is nothing you can do about it.

In many places (such as Singapore, Dubai for example) people are in transit, they stay for a couple of years and then they move on, you might loose a job and the work permit that goes with it and the list goes on. If you have no plan B, the stress level rises.

9.
You feel often disconnected if you do not speak the local language, but might also not live there long enough to really fluently communicate. Some languages especially for westerns are just not so easy to learn (thai is one of them).

The frustration you feel when you start learning a new language and can only express yourself like a 2 year old in the body and with the mind of a grown up person.

10.

Personally I also feel sometimes alone, when there is nobody who shares a certain sense of humor. Humor is often very different and culture specific. I can laugh my head off about certain things or situations and my colleagues just look at me and wonder what that is all about.

And they laugh about certain things and I cannot see what is funny about it either. Laughing is also about bonding with people, so I can say sometimes I miss bonding over a shared sense of humor.

Now that we are done with some of the cons, lets talk about the wonderful pros.

1.
You change for the better

2.
You become more tolerant

3.
You become a better Ambassador of your home country when you return. I swear, whenever I return home, I am particularly friendly to anybody who is foreign, I feel so connected because I am a foreigner in other countries too, so I want them to feel welcome and leave with good memories.

4.
Once you have lived abroad, this place will never ever be just a dot on the map. It will penetrate your memory, it will become part of your history, if you disliked your experience or loved it does not matter, it will never leave you indifferent anymore.

5.
You develop courage and learn how to overcome obstacles

6.
You learn to rely on yourself

7.
You realize that essentially all people in the world are the same, we are just shaped by different education, background, beliefs, etc. but we all want to be respected, loved, heard and acknowledged.

8.
You become more flexible (you just have to)

9.
You age slower, because whenever you learn or see something new it feels the days are much longer and more intense. Every day is a new adventure and there is less routine.

10.
Everywhere I go there is something I love and I weave it into my personality to take it with me. It is like as I go along, I create a more interesting and better version of myself (at least I think that, but that is a good start).

11.
You learn to judge less and listen more.

12.
You will feel more emotionally connected to the world.

Story for the gods if I go there am coming from insanity 💯💯

Abi1985:
If you want Japa, please Japa. I am not saying you shouldn't japa.

They can tax so much - eh you want to cry
And sleep. Your own money goes to tax and more tax.

You are not really the owner of your property because of tax. Property tax is something else.

Child support payment na another thing on its own- if you like woman, please be careful not to have many baby mama e get why.

Nigerians back home cannot understand until they come here and experience themselves.

I remember when my cousin was warning me about the Uk. I thought he was talking nonsense until I came and experienced reality. Experience is the best teacher
If you are doing well in Naija, please stay and visit. If you are struggling, then please Japa.

Your cousin warned you about coming to the UK but you insisted and came to the UK, right? You live in the UK or USA because you talked about paying tax in dollars and not pounds. I think you have not left the shores of this country before. I don't know what you anti-Japa folks are really up to. The obsession is sickening, to say the least. Enjoy your Nigeria and let people migrate in peace

U are right but E get End in Praise. I'm a living Testimony of God's mercy and faithfulness.. Discipline lifestyle will see u through.

The tax matter tire me. A lady at my workplace was suppose to earn a salary of 28k but was only given 16k after tax was removed. The thing shock me. We are enjoying tax relief in Nigeria....but the good thing here is that you see what the government is doing with your tax.

Abi1985:
If you want Japa, please Japa. I am not saying you shouldn't japa.

They can tax so much - eh you want to cry
And sleep. Your own money goes to tax and more tax.

You are not really the owner of your property because of tax. Property tax is something else.

Child support payment na another thing on its own- if you like woman, please be careful not to have many baby mama e get why.

Nigerians back home cannot understand until they come here and experience themselves.

I remember when my cousin was warning me about the Uk. I thought he was talking nonsense until I came and experienced reality. Experience is the best teacher
If you are doing well in Naija, please stay and visit. If you are struggling, then please Japa.

Please talk about the advantages of living abroad which far better than the disadvantages currently especially if you’re in a country like naija rather than deceiving people on nairaland!

Forget it, the disadvantages are many I must confess. Each time you have the opportunity to travel back to naija, you just don’t want to leave for many unexplainable reasons. Hmmm may God deliver us from this suffering and smiling life jare!!

Should I let you on a secret?

Do you know that in America, if the wife earns more money than the husband, the court will order her to be the one to pay the child support?

Do u know that?

Most husbands in USA especially African/Nigerian Men have been suffering in ignorance.

Let me not expatiate.

I will stop there.

IyaTola:
You better Japa

So he should leave his thriving business in Nigeria and go to Europe to do house boy for racist white people abi?

Mindlog:
Are what you mentioned, not what is sustaining the UK system?

I wonder why paying to support your own seed (child) is a disadvantage, the non-institutionalized child support and neglect of some children in Nigeria by their fathers with little or no consequence, is an advantage?

I am sure you will also ask how dividing assets into two after divorce is a disadvantage. Don't you know people are taking advantage of the child support system?

😎

Abi1985:
Ok you really for real do not know. Well i will disclose my own. I pay up to $3500 annually in property tax . The city where I stay in raise the property tax by 500 $ every year. I know what I am talking about ; you do not have to believe me. This is reality not some read up Google news report. God forbid I fall sick and cannot Pay the property tax. That home is a gone to the city. At least in Nigeria, na you get am.

According to all your past posts, you live in Nigeria. You pay $3500 property tax in Nigeria?
No American city arbitrarily raises property taxes $500 a year. And no one loses property for missing one year of tax payments. Even if you are more than a year behind, are literally hundreds of programs to help.
You don’t live here in the US, you know nothing about the system, only what you read on the internet.

ZIMDRILL:
i never disputed what you pay, my point was and still the same, we all pay council tax/property tax its normal bill in the western world

Like i said ifs its too high for you move to other areas of the city or the city its self

Eg in UK london is expensive when it comes to accomodation and many moved to cheaper cities

He claimed that his cousin warned him against coming to the UK but he did not heed the warning meaning that he actually moved to the UK. But he claims to be paying council abi property tax in dollars and living in Chicago.

Abi1985:
If you want Japa, please Japa. I am not saying you shouldn't japa.

They can tax so much - eh you want to cry
And sleep. Your own money goes to tax and more tax.

You are not really the owner of your property because of tax. Property tax is something else.

Child support payment na another thing on its own- if you like woman, please be careful not to have many baby mama e get why.

Nigerians back home cannot understand until they come here and experience themselves.

I remember when my cousin was warning me about the Uk. I thought he was talking nonsense until I came and experienced reality. Experience is the best teacher
If you are doing well in Naija, please stay and visit. If you are struggling, then please Japa.

I no dey even advice anybody about abroad because they think you are lying. As it concerns funds, yoi can be well off and struggling. Depends on what you do for a living.

Everywhere has its own pros and cons. Basically, you've got to ask yourself, in what Nation/State would you most likely achieve your aspirations, goals, or desires that could facilitate a meaningful life for your existence?

A response to this should go along way to helping you make a critical choice albeit there are disadvantages in any where you decide to reside.

Financially, before I left for grad school, what I had was millions of times less than now, even though I've being paying taxes here and there - This is only a case study.

[quote author=worried222 post=123055345]He claimed that his cousin warned him against coming to the UK but he did not heed the warning meaning that he actually moved to the UK. But he claims to be paying council abi property tax in dollars and living in Chicago.[/quote

He is lying. He does not live in Chicago, he lives in Nigeria.

No disadvantage 🥱