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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sukkot: 8:20pm On May 10, 2023
sonnie10:

If you work a 12 hour shift, you only get 36 hours in a week.
Do the maths, it’s only #320k per annual combined for both couples
This is a simple math.
12 hour shift 5 days a week is 60 hours

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Oyomesiile: 8:22pm On May 10, 2023
ZIMDRILL:


the most common problem
in african is self employement/informal sector which is not registered for tax and money is lost through that

Eg if local government would build facilities for markets were people pay for the stand in the market, the local council gets paid through renting of place and money would channeled toward maintaining the market place and building new ones

With time it will reduce hips of gabage we find i the streets etc

You're freaking funny. Do you know the poverty level in Naija? Not even talking about Africa as a whole now. A lot of self employed are just self employed because there is really no jobs out there that require their skill. Now how do you tax someone that makes again of 40K monthly, more or less, after feeding and transportation has been deducted? Besides, did the government loan them to start up these businesses? Eg Grocery kiosk, hawkers (Water and Sausage), Roadside food vendors etc. I can't really start to mention all these petty petty businesses right now. Some are lucky and make good sales Eg POS terminals and Okada/Keke riders.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sonnie10: 8:23pm On May 10, 2023
sukkot:
12 hour shift 5 days a week is 60 hours
No company will let you rake in such overtime. You only work 36 hours , that is 3 days a week. They will get someone else to do the remaining days if they need to.
Did you even realize that if you go beyond that 36 hours, your pay would be time and a half. Meaning you would be paid $150/ hour instead of $100 for the 24 hours over your time

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by kabukabu50(m): 8:24pm On May 10, 2023
Average monthly salary in Nigeria is $160.

Average monthly salary in the US is $4000.

Even after taxes,your life in Nigeria making that $160 is still amongst the world's worst.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by abbey621(m): 8:24pm On May 10, 2023
MyAmericandream:


People see opportunities but what you see is loads of problems. If I happen to be your girlfriend/wife I would have being making plans to dump you by now. You are too pusillanimous for my penchant. I wish you all the best nigga!

Don't get it twisted my nigga, I'm a self made millionaire already, I just don't believe that all risks are worth taking, some are more beneficial than others. If you're in the USA let's link up and I'll show you how you can be a millionaire through cash value insurance......E ni to pass lo mo iwe grin grin grin
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sukkot: 8:27pm On May 10, 2023
sonnie10:

No company will let rake in such over time. You only work 36 hours , that is 3 days a week. They will get someone else to do the remaining days if they need to.
alright so they only work 3 days a week ? grin grin see as you are using one lie to cover another. anyway

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by kkins25(m): 8:28pm On May 10, 2023
sonnie10:

No company will let you rake in such overtime. You only work 36 hours , that is 3 days a week. They will get someone else to do the remaining days if they need to.
Did you even realize that if you go beyond that 36 hours, you pay would be time and a half. Meaning you would be paid $150/ hour instead of $100 for the 24 hours over your time
$150per hour??

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Hamachi(f): 8:29pm On May 10, 2023
MIMOSAXY:



This should be a post on its own. Thanks a lot
Help me make it
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Jungpablo: 8:30pm On May 10, 2023
Abi1985:
If you want Japa, please Japa. I am not saying you shouldn't japa.

They can tax so much - eh you want to cry
And sleep. Your own money goes to tax and more tax.

You are not really the owner of your property because of tax. Property tax is something else.

Child support payment na another thing on its own- if you like woman, please be careful not to have many baby mama e get why.

Nigerians back home cannot understand until they come here and experience themselves.

I remember when my cousin was warning me about the Uk. I thought he was talking nonsense until I came and experienced reality. Experience is the best teacher
If you are doing well in Naija, please stay and visit. If you are struggling, then please Japa.
Those of you abroad should stop discouraging people here with japa plans. You live in a sane environment where you get value for what you’re paying for yet you’re complaining. Just dey play

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Hamachi(f): 8:31pm On May 10, 2023
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Greenfaces:


Great analysis.

The part you wrote about horizon changes and having nothing in common any more with old friends and congenial particularly struck a chord. I do notice that once my friends leave the country for a while, i get distanced from them. Now my concern is that the same rule is about to happen with my siblings. I can now do without them and they without me even for a life time
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Spandau: 8:32pm On May 10, 2023
sukkot:
alright so they only work 3 days a week ? grin grin see as you are using one lie to cover another. anyway

That niggah doesn't know Jackshit. Don't bother arguing with him. It's so obvious that he doesn't know nothing.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Hamachi(f): 8:32pm On May 10, 2023
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GodHimself:

Did you write this? It’s high detail. Thank you.

Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by RosyIsBlessed: 8:32pm On May 10, 2023
Lol UK own worse. They even tax you for the air you breathe

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Hamachi(f): 8:32pm On May 10, 2023
LuverBoi16:
And they lived happily ever after. This made me she'd tears 😂

Why?
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sonnie10: 8:33pm On May 10, 2023
kkins25:

$150per hour??
Yes. That is how it works when you go beyond your schedule hours.
That is why most places don’t want you to work more than you regular hours. But trust me, there are places that don’t care. They appreciate when you work extra.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sonnie10: 8:36pm On May 10, 2023
sukkot:
alright so they only work 3 days a week ? grin grin see as you are using one lie to cover another. anyway
Oga , your employment letter has your weekly hours. It is never more than 36-40.
Any other thing is overtime and it’s time and a half.
How come you don’t know these simple things?

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Mindlog: 8:40pm On May 10, 2023
Tijani009:
na we day surport our self for naija

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sukkot: 8:43pm On May 10, 2023
sonnie10:

Oga , your employment letter has your weekly hours. It is never more than 36-40.
Any other thing is overtime and it’s time and a half.
How come you don’t know these simple things?
lets dead the matter bro but you should look into writing fiction. i like how your story evolves
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by ZIMDRILL(m): 8:43pm On May 10, 2023
Oyomesiile:


You're freaking funny. Do you know the poverty level in Naija? Not even talking about Africa as a whole now. A lot of self employed are just self employed because there is really no jobs out there that require their skill. Now how do you tax someone that makes again of 40K monthly, more or less, after feeding and transportation has been deducted? Besides, did the government loan them to start up these businesses? Eg Grocery kiosk, hawkers (Water and Sausage), Roadside food vendors etc. I can't really start to mention all these petty petty businesses right now. Some are lucky and make good sales Eg POS terminals and Okada/Keke riders.

level of poverty doesnt deter starting new things that will benefit in the long run
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sonnie10: 8:46pm On May 10, 2023
sukkot:
lets dead the matter bro but you should look into writing fiction. i like how your story evolves

This is deflected. It is a valuable strategy when confronted with unwavering facts.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Annahh(f): 8:53pm On May 10, 2023
1stGenAmerican:


Wow. So people from other countries are going to your home in Nigeria and pressuring you to move from Nigeria to their countries?
Well it's not everyone that is excited about leaving to western countries, the evil there keep growing, I don't want to be a part of such society. Nigeria is a bit decent when it comes to culture, children upbringing etc.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by babajero(m): 8:58pm On May 10, 2023
Abi1985:
If you want Japa, please Japa. I am not saying you shouldn't japa.

They can tax so much - eh you want to cry
And sleep. Your own money goes to tax and more tax.

You are not really the owner of your property because of tax. Property tax is something else.

Child support payment na another thing on its own- if you like woman, please be careful not to have many baby mama e get why.

Nigerians back home cannot understand until they come here and experience themselves.

I remember when my cousin was warning me about the Uk. I thought he was talking nonsense until I came and experienced reality. Experience is the best teacher
If you are doing well in Naija, please stay and visit. If you are struggling, then please Japa.
Are they being taxed for services provided or not? Are there no taxes in Nigeria? Are the taxes in Nigeria reflecting on the services rendered like abroad?
Why will a man that japad from Nigeria to abroad to better his life be looking for who to impregnate instead of focusing on what took him there?

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sonnie10: 9:14pm On May 10, 2023
Annahh:
Well it's not everyone that is excited about leaving to western countries, the evil there keep growing, I don't want to be a part of such society. Nigeria is a bit decent when it comes to culture, children upbringing etc.
This is pure fallacy. Children in US have very high moral standards. They do not behave any how. There are structures in place to keep everybody in line.
The only thing you can say is that they are not timid and they don’t accord respect based on age. They see respect as being reciprocal. If you don’t respect yourself, don’t expect them to, no matter your age.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Treadway: 9:28pm On May 10, 2023
greggng:
Go to abroad and start work as mortuary attendant ....you go make money die . People go think you do juju . Don't be afraid . ..oyibo dead body no dey chase person for dream .
loll. Very funny...oyinbo dead body get arthritis, so running ain't their thing🤣
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Glock22: 9:37pm On May 10, 2023
CuriousStudent:

Congratulations on your delivery.


I am more concerned about the fact that "child support" is included as a disadvantage. Caring for your kid is now a disadvantage? My God!

That’s for people who do not want to commit to marriage, or if their spouse screws them over.
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by justwise(m): 9:37pm On May 10, 2023
sonnie10:

No company will let you rake in such overtime. You only work 36 hours , that is 3 days a week. They will get someone else to do the remaining days if they need to.
Did you even realize that if you go beyond that 36 hours, you pay would be time and a half. Meaning you would be paid $150/ hour instead of $100 for the 24 hours over your time

That is not true, some companies will allow you to work 60hrs a week max. 40hrs normal shift and 20hrs overtime

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sonnie10: 9:41pm On May 10, 2023
justwise:


That is not true, some companies will allow you to work 60hrs a week max. 40hrs normal shift and 20hrs overtime
I said so already . But full time employment is 40 hours maximum.
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by Iamzik: 9:45pm On May 10, 2023
Hamachi:
What are the pros and cons of living abroad?
It depends if you are moving for financial or non financial reasons, and how long you move for.

If you are moving for a short period of time when you are young, there are seldom many negatives.

Few people regret studying abroad for a year, doing an internship or a gap year.

When it comes to longer-term assignments, financial considerations are important for most people.

The major positives associated with moving abroad are

If you work for a multi-national, there are sometimes bigger packages abroad, especially in frontier markets due to hardship allowances. For instance, if you are an oil & gas engineer working in Canada or Norway, you are likely to be paid more if you move to Nigeria or Myanmar on a two-year contract.
For business owners, the world markets are always a bigger opportunity than just only focusing on the local market. Whilst it is true that you can target people online successfully, a stint overseas will teach you about other cultures, give you fresh ideas and so on.
New languages and skills will help you if you move back to your home country
If you are high-net-worth you can save a lot on taxes if you move to certain countries, and do the right planning

The main negatives are

In your home country you get back ended benefits. In low-tax countries overseas, you get front ended benefits. What do I mean by that? In your home country, you might feel you are being weighed down by the taxes. However, you get back some of that money when you get old or are sick as per the graph below:

In comparison, if you have more money from lower taxes, you get front ended benefits. This can be great, but only if you are self-disciplined enough to save and invest more.

However, plenty of people in low taxes countries like the UAE and Singapore don’t do that, as many studies have shown
Career wise, you will be behind your peer back home, if you don’t use your time overseas wisely.
What are the pros and cons of teaching abroad?
What are the advantages or disadvantages of living and working abroad?
What are the pros and cons of moving back to your home country after living abroad?
What are the pros and cons of living in your country?

What are the pros and cons of moving abroad, and where are some good places to live?
Let´s start with the cons to get that out of the way first

1.
The more countries you have lived in, the more you loose a sense of belonging (at least I feel that way). I have lived in 9 different ones and although I have of course great memories and part of my heart is in all of them, I feel I belong nowhere and certainly not in my home country anymore either.

After so many years I crave a sense of belonging, a base to call home (even if it just means to be there a couple of months a year), friends I do not have to say goodbye to every few months or years. And no, to stay in touch on Social Media is not the same at all, I personally create bonding through shared experiences and not by living in past memories.

2.
If you move a lot and you know you will not be in a place for a very long time, you wonder if it makes sense to emotionally invest in relationships and friendships and I think sometimes relationship become more superficial because building them takes time and commitment and you know you will leave again and who wants heart breaks.

3.
Depending on your age group, aging parents back home suddenly become a concern. One is far away and cannot just jump in a plane and is home in one hour. A sense of guilt sets in even if your loved ones give you no reason to feel guilt and its only in your head. And you also realize time becomes more precious and one is far away.

4.
When you get home you realize your friends are more or less still the same, they have aged too, might have created a family, changed jobs, etc. but essentially they are still the same. You on the other hand have changed, its unavoidable. Your horizons have widened and you might not have that much in common with old friends anymore. There is a sense of loss and sadness.

5.
Depending on where you are abroad, romantic relationships can take a back seat. If an independent western single women in her late twenties or thirties comes for example to Asia with the hope to not only find professional opportunities and adventures but also a partner to create a family with, I would say, think twice, your choices will be limited, but that is a topic for a different question.

6.
The longer you are in a certain region the more difficult it will be to go back to your home country if you ever want to return, because your skills and experiences will become more bankable in your new country than in your home country. If your business is online it’s a different story of course.

7.
Loneliness can also be an issue. If you do not consider yourself the love of your life and enjoy time alone too, you will struggle, because it is unavoidable that there will be moments when you will be alone, especially if you just arrive in a new place. And when you get sick its also not exactly fun.

8.
Constantly having to let go is sad, at least for me. I do not like to let go of things, people, places that entered my heart, but sometimes life changes and there is nothing you can do about it.

In many places (such as Singapore, Dubai for example) people are in transit, they stay for a couple of years and then they move on, you might loose a job and the work permit that goes with it and the list goes on. If you have no plan B, the stress level rises.

9.
You feel often disconnected if you do not speak the local language, but might also not live there long enough to really fluently communicate. Some languages especially for westerns are just not so easy to learn (thai is one of them).

The frustration you feel when you start learning a new language and can only express yourself like a 2 year old in the body and with the mind of a grown up person.

10.

Personally I also feel sometimes alone, when there is nobody who shares a certain sense of humor. Humor is often very different and culture specific. I can laugh my head off about certain things or situations and my colleagues just look at me and wonder what that is all about.

And they laugh about certain things and I cannot see what is funny about it either. Laughing is also about bonding with people, so I can say sometimes I miss bonding over a shared sense of humor.

Now that we are done with some of the cons, lets talk about the wonderful pros.

1.
You change for the better

2.
You become more tolerant

3.
You become a better Ambassador of your home country when you return. I swear, whenever I return home, I am particularly friendly to anybody who is foreign, I feel so connected because I am a foreigner in other countries too, so I want them to feel welcome and leave with good memories.

4.
Once you have lived abroad, this place will never ever be just a dot on the map. It will penetrate your memory, it will become part of your history, if you disliked your experience or loved it does not matter, it will never leave you indifferent anymore.

5.
You develop courage and learn how to overcome obstacles

6.
You learn to rely on yourself

7.
You realize that essentially all people in the world are the same, we are just shaped by different education, background, beliefs, etc. but we all want to be respected, loved, heard and acknowledged.

8.
You become more flexible (you just have to)

9.
You age slower, because whenever you learn or see something new it feels the days are much longer and more intense. Every day is a new adventure and there is less routine.

10.
Everywhere I go there is something I love and I weave it into my personality to take it with me. It is like as I go along, I create a more interesting and better version of myself (at least I think that, but that is a good start).

11.
You learn to judge less and listen more.

12.
You will feel more emotionally connected to the world.


I really enjoyed reading this. Wow....just wow!
Thank you so much

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by sulaak(m): 9:57pm On May 10, 2023
Mindlog:


Are what you mentioned, not what is sustaining the UK system?

I wonder why paying to support your own seed (child) is a disadvantage, the non-institutionalized child support and neglect of some children in Nigeria by their fathers with little or no consequence, is an advantage?

Nigerian are very irresponsible people they want to live like dogs, eat, Bleep and sleep with no consequent.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by RALPHOW(m): 10:13pm On May 10, 2023
The major CON is that your lineage may be lost , if you don't bring your children to Nigeria regularly ( which is very expensive).

Your children's highest honour will be to bring your body to your village for burial. Immediately after your burial, it's straight to the airport and may never return for ever.

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Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by lakefist(m): 10:14pm On May 10, 2023
Megabig:


Go home so you don’t have to bother about all you mentioned, you will also have peace of mind

Lol. He won't come home. All these strategy na to avoid billing from home.
Re: Disadvantages Of Living Abroad Or Obodo Oyinbo by MyAmericandream(f): 10:21pm On May 10, 2023
abbey621:


Don't get it twisted my nigga, I'm a self made millionaire already, I just don't believe that all risks are worth taking, some are more beneficial than others. If you're in the USA let's link up and I'll show you how you can be a millionaire through cash value insurance......E ni to pass lo mo iwe grin grin grin

Dishing out 12k/annum shouldn’t be a problem for a self-multimillionaire like you said you are. Perhaps, you talking about the self-multimillionaire in naira?

You portray the traits of a risk -averse persona, I just wonder how you became a multimillionaire overnight..

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