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MaxInDHouse:
This is what you told someone else:



So humble yourself and learn it's not too late to do so!

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delkuf:
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Humble yourself and learn, born of water means water baptism!

MaxInDHouse:
Humble yourself and learn, born of water means water baptism!

your problem big pass you. So I should learn from you that says that the Lord Jesus Christ is angel Michael. I rather die an illiterate than learn from your demonic, devil stinking head

delkuf:
your problem big pass you. So I should learn from you that says that the Lord Jesus Christ is angel Michael. I rather die an illiterate than learn from your demonic, devil stinking head

The case of Jesus being Archangel Michael is a sacred secret beyond your grasp but this one is simply and clear, born of water means water baptism!

MaxInDHouse:
The case of Jesus being Archangel Michael is a sacred secret beyond your grasp but this one is simply and clear, born of water means water baptism!

Is a sacred secret beyond my grasp. It is only a mentally deluded people like you guys will believe that. If you can believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is angel Michael why won't you believe that born of water means water baptism. That is how deep the devil has blinded your mind

delkuf:
Is a sacred secret beyond my grasp. It is only a mentally deluded people like you guys will believe that. If you can believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is angel Michael why won't you believe that born of water means water baptism. That is how deep the devil has blinded your mind

Guy what evidence do you have that you know the truth about God other than blind arguments?

Jesus is archangel Michael and i can prove it both in the Bible and realities that everyone can see!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy what evidence do you have that you know the truth about God other than blind arguments?

Jesus is archangel Michael and i can prove it both in the Bible and realities that everyone can see!

am sorry for even writing back. Thanks and have a good day

delkuf:
am sorry for even writing back. Thanks and have a good day

Better!

Question: "Is baptism necessary for salvation?"

Answer: The belief that baptism is necessary for salvation is also known as " baptismal regeneration ." It is our contention that baptism is an important step of obedience for a Christian, but we adamantly reject baptism as being required for salvation. We strongly believe that each and every Christian should be water baptized by immersion. Baptism illustrates a believer’s identification with Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. Romans 6:3-4 declares, “Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” The action of being immersed in the water illustrates dying and being buried with Christ. The action of coming out of the water pictures Christ’s resurrection.


Requiring anything in addition to faith in Jesus Christ for salvation is a works-based salvation. To add anything to the gospel is to say that Jesus' death on the cross was not sufficient to purchase our salvation. To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works and obedience to Christ's death in order to make it sufficient for salvation. Jesus' death alone paid for our sins (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus' payment for our sins is appropriated to our “account” by faith alone (John 3:16; Acts 16:31; Ephesians 2:8-9). Therefore, baptism is an important step of obedience after salvation but cannot be a requirement for salvation.

Yes, there are some verses that seem to indicate baptism as a requirement for salvation. However, since the Bible so clearly tells us that salvation is received by faith alone (John 3:16; Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5), there must be a different interpretation of those verses. Scripture does not contradict Scripture. In Bible times, a person who converted from one religion to another was often baptized to identify conversion. Baptism was the means of making a decision public. Those who refused to be baptized were saying they did not truly believe. So, in the minds of the apostles and early disciples, the idea of an un-baptized believer was unheard of. When a person claimed to believe in Christ, yet was ashamed to proclaim his faith in public, it indicated that he did not have true faith.

If baptism is necessary for salvation, why would Paul have said, “I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius” (1 Corinthians 1:14)? Why would he have said, “For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power” (1 Corinthians 1:17)? Granted, in this passage Paul is arguing against the divisions that plagued the Corinthian church. However, how could Paul possibly say, “I am thankful that I did not baptize…” or “For Christ did not send me to baptize…” if baptism were necessary for salvation? If baptism is necessary for salvation, Paul would literally be saying, “I am thankful that you were not saved…” and “For Christ did not send me to save…” That would be an unbelievably ridiculous statement for Paul to make. Further, when Paul gives a detailed outline of what he considers the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-, why does he neglect to mention baptism? If baptism is a requirement for salvation, how could any presentation of the gospel lack a mention of baptism?

Water baptism is not required for salvation and also not compulsory after you are saved.

Baptism is important but it is the baptism with the Holy Spirit.

Water baptism is John's baptism.

Jesus does his baptism with the Holy Spirit.

delkuf:
to be born of water is not water baptism. You Don't you understand the bible and you don't want to learn

To be Born of Water means being baptized into the New Covenant and Law, Jesus Christ, the new source of Living water for those who are born again. Water baptism, as explained by John the Baptist in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 & Luke 3 vs 2 - 18 & Mark 1 vs 1 - 8 symbolizes the transition from (complete abandonment) the Old Law of Moses in order to begin anew following God's New Law and Covenant in the Kingdom of God, God's New fountain of Living Water. John referred to it as the Baptism of repentance.

To be born of Spirit means to be born of the Spirit of Eternal Life, God's gift of Eternal Life which is granted to sinners who believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ in fact describes it as an actual possession of the individual by the Spirit in John 3 vs 8, and since the Spirit is Eternal Life itself, He remains with the individual 24/7 for eternity from that point on wielding power and control over the one He possesses (but not over their will).

So, when Jesus Christ said, "Except a man is born-again, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God", what Jesus Christ in fact meant was that the Baptism for repentance which ensures one adopts the New Covenant which happens to be the Constitutional Law in the Kingdom of God, in addition to possession by the Spirit of Eternal Life— which can be likened to a Passport sealed in the New Covenant— are requirements for all who wish to be considered citizens of the Kingdom of God.

jiggaz:
■ Water baptism is not a requirement for salvation... I agree 100% to the answer provided in the OP... It's only faith in the finished work of Christ that saves... But a Christian can be baptised after being saved.

So what you are saying is that when Jesus Christ said "Everyone must be born-again... except a man is born again — born of water AND born of Spirit — he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God....", you rather believe Jesus Christ lied - John 3 vs 1 - 21?

Salvation comes by repentance and faith in Jesus.

Water baptism could come after. However, water baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation.

See Acts 8:35-38 KJV
Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

[36] And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

[37] *And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.*

[38] And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Heph001:
■ Salvation comes by repentance and faith in Jesus. Water baptism could come after. However, water baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation.
■See Acts 8:35-38 KJV Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
[36] And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
[37] *And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.*
[38] And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

1. Are you insinuating that Jesus Christ missed the mark when He said the following:

5 Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water AND the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water AND the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.
6 The only life people get from their human parents is physical. But the new life that the Spirit gives a person is spiritual.
7 Don’t be surprised that I told you, ‘You must be born again.’
8 The wind blows wherever it wants to. You hear it, but you don’t know where it is coming from or where it is going. It is the same with everyone who is born from the Spirit.” - John 3 vs 5 - 8

2. The passage you quoted says that Phillip baptized the Eunuch in water. I fail to see how that means that baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation.

delkuf:
■ water baptism is not a requisite for salvation. The only requisite is believing in the Lord Jesus Christ

So, Jesus Christ made a mistake when He declared that everyone must be born-again — born of water AND born of Spirit - John 3 v 1 -21?

delkuf:
to be born of water is not water baptism. You Don't you understand the bible and you don't want to learn

Again, You can only be born of water — the fountain of living water that is the New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ, by undergoing the baptism of repentance from the Old Law and fountain of Living Water — the Old Law of Moses — to living under the New Law and fountain of Living water that is Jesus Christ. There is no other way.