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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by hakym619(m): 4:10pm On Jun 12, 2023
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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by InvertedHammer: 4:10pm On Jun 12, 2023
Nice2023:
I don't think some men here would take this,there is a growing trend among Nigerian men of today.

And that trend is lazying around,leaving all serious domestic responsibilities for women to carry. Go to every streets in Nigeria now,u will see men,I mean married men doing virtually nothing and feeling good about their new found life,that is,not working and not earning any form of income and wouldn't like to learn any form of trade.

The agonising part is that,they now rely on what the woman or their wives rake in just to survive. Many women especially the married ones are now competing with young girls in having boyfriends all around just for the money to take care of one lazy bunch at home.

Men,rise up to the occasion and stop killing your wives with over work and help them to grow and make them better wives devoid of infidelity. It is ur actions that is pushing ur wives outside.

Stop wasting the little u have on betnaija shops and expect nothing back because u are simply wasting away.

Some of u here may not find this one easy but that is the truth.
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No.

They are matching the energy of feminists. Feminists want to be like men. Men figured that it is better to be like women. Women have been leeching off men for centuries while complaining about things. So the men are starting to leech off women to create equality and balance. That way both genders can meet in the middle. It is a compromise. Why complain?

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by juliuscaesar(m): 4:11pm On Jun 12, 2023
Did the Bible not say in the end time, women will come to men and say, please marry me. I have my own money, I just want to bear your name, to take away the shame of being unmarried..... we are definitely in the end times.


Also, the world is changing, women are now making their own money, compared to the days of our forefathers, were women sat at home and raised their kids. Times are changing. Women are now a competition for men. Back then, men competed for jobs with other men.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Olumain4: 4:11pm On Jun 12, 2023
Nice2023:
I don't think some men here would take this,there is a growing trend among Nigerian men of today.

And that trend is lazying around,leaving all serious domestic responsibilities for women to carry. Go to every streets in Nigeria now,u will see men,I mean married men doing virtually nothing and feeling good about their new found life,that is,not working and not earning any form of income and wouldn't like to learn any form of trade.

The agonising part is that,they now rely on what the woman or their wives rake in just to survive. Many women especially the married ones are now competing with young girls in having boyfriends all around just for the money to take care of one lazy bunch at home.

Men,rise up to the occasion and stop killing your wives with over work and help them to grow and make them better wives devoid of infidelity. It is ur actions that is pushing ur wives outside.

Stop wasting the little u have on betnaija shops and expect nothing back because u are simply wasting away.

Some of u here may not find this one easy but that is the truth.

If you say men are lazy nowadays, thats because the men you see around you are the lazy ones.

If the general population of men in the world or Nigeria in particular are truly lazy, then there would be a pandemic.

The problem is that you failed to appreciate men with small and tiny jobs that i think you look at them with disdain.

Lets start from public transport to farmers to hunters to engineers, to IT support to rig drillers to well diggers to miners to .....blah blah blah even fashion industry where population of women are higher but men own majority of these fashion companies

People dont appreciate men for their work and men never cared whether they apprepriate them or not as compared to women.

Women/females make too much noise as if they do everything.

If you go to the market, you will see majority to be women but you will still see men there. Afterall who will carry the food from north down to south day and night over a very long distance.

Men runing around in market to carry heavy loads. Men butchering animals such as cows and goats etc to sell to people. We have minority of women here

Goto big companies, so you think just because a woman is the general manager, she can truly run the company, No. Men who are loyal held up the company but no one took notice of that. What they saw is the woman doing a great job.

Assuming a woman is the president of a nation, tell me, do you think she can rule the country if she does not have men's protection or men loyal to her. If men decide to take her head from the seat of leadership, nothing can save her.

You see if men run the world like this,
Minority of men will be lazy as we also have women to be lazy.

You just have to look at the angle you see things.

Just because you see some people drinking beer at a parlor in the evening doesnt mean every one of them is lazy.

Everything is just your perception of viewing however you should not limit it to your locality or make conclusion based on your view of men.

If you want to defeat your enemy country, just target all the men. Its game over

Therefore, I disagree with your views of things. Bye

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Tonytonex(m): 4:17pm On Jun 12, 2023
Nice2023:
I don't think some men here would take this,there is a growing trend among Nigerian men of today.

And that trend is lazying around,leaving all serious domestic responsibilities for women to carry. Go to every streets in Nigeria now,u will see men,I mean married men doing virtually nothing and feeling good about their new found life,that is,not working and not earning any form of income and wouldn't like to learn any form of trade.

The agonising part is that,they now rely on what the woman or their wives rake in just to survive. Many women especially the married ones are now competing with young girls in having boyfriends all around just for the money to take care of one lazy bunch at home.

Men,rise up to the occasion and stop killing your wives with over work and help them to grow and make them better wives devoid of infidelity. It is ur actions that is pushing ur wives outside.

Stop wasting the little u have on betnaija shops and expect nothing back because u are simply wasting away.

Some of u here may not find this one easy but that is the truth.


Hard truth OP.
Saw an elderly man yesterday going to bet9ja shop to play game.


Issa failed generation.

Pity the generationEX

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by raysrays(m): 4:17pm On Jun 12, 2023
This is one hell of assumptions. Firstly there's no statistical data to prove it trueness. I am of the opinion that you have not been and live in every part of Nigeria to make such dangerous assumptions. There are responsible men who sincerely and whole heartedly take care of there family. If most men where like how you described them to be , why did you get married to him in the first place? Since he was responsible enough to foot your bill and appetite and even went to the extent of sponsoring a wedding (for some) then he was not always irresponsible.
The scenerio you have painted can only happen when you have a man that has from the onset a questionable means of income. For example if you are a wife to a yahoo boy that's frustrated because money is not coming as before, either because client are no longer coming or they are now wiser than him, what do you expect him to do? Than to play bet and room the street.
Lastly if as a woman you resulted to prostitution or you are heating on your husband because there's no money to sustain the taste of the home you will want to have, they it's not your husband fault, you are as easily as guilty of what you accused him of, because it would have been good you think with your brain and suggest with your husband other possible business or things you guys can venture into that will be productive. I strongly disagree with your opinion, Please we should stop misleading people, because we don't know who will read our post, he/she may be easily mislead to assume the solution you provided is the way to go in his/her homes

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by realtalk19: 4:18pm On Jun 12, 2023
Nice2023:
I don't think some men here would take this,there is a growing trend among Nigerian men of today.

And that trend is lazying around,leaving all serious domestic responsibilities for women to carry. Go to every streets in Nigeria now,u will see men,I mean married men doing virtually nothing and feeling good about their new found life,that is,not working and not earning any form of income and wouldn't like to learn any form of trade.

The agonising part is that,they now rely on what the woman or their wives rake in just to survive. Many women especially the married ones are now competing with young girls in having boyfriends all around just for the money to take care of one lazy bunch at home.

Men,rise up to the occasion and stop killing your wives with over work and help them to grow and make them better wives devoid of infidelity. It is ur actions that is pushing ur wives outside.

Stop wasting the little u have on betnaija shops and expect nothing back because u are simply wasting away.

Some of u here may not find this one easy but that is the truth.

Sincerely speaking.May God bless and prosper men who provide for their homes no matter how small.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Magnoliaa(f): 4:18pm On Jun 12, 2023
Proserpina:
Me too ooo

So we can be lazy and unproductive together grin

Likeee. grin

It must be nice there o.

How can some of you have a cheat-code out of Nigeria's hassles and you don't think you should share with the rest of us?

Ko proper.
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by davien(m): 4:18pm On Jun 12, 2023
Which gender in the nation is all over social media doing everything but work?? Who's twerking daily on TikTok? Who's doing live videos 7 days a week? Who're in those beer parlors entertaining those lazy men? Who rewards thugs and hooligans?

This is just a click bait thread.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by DamnnNiggarr: 4:19pm On Jun 12, 2023
Mindlog:


You blamed new generation mothers, you blamed single mothers, you blamed the Caucasians but not a single mention of African fathers nor uncles who are supposed to be models and mentors to these young boys in their formation but no, others must be blamed.

Look around you, how many men are you seeing deliberately mentoring young boys to turn out better in life?

By the way, Africans have over the centuries had lazy people in their communities and so don't blame the "white people" who have better working system because they are not lazy. Chinua Achebe in his "Things fall apart" presented Unoka, Okonkwo's father as a very lazy man.

Here is a character analysis of Unoka...
A tall, thin man with a slight stoop, Unoka was Okonkwo's father. He appeared "haggard and mournful . . . except when he was drinking or playing his flute." His favorite time of year was after the harvest when he joined with village musicians to make music and feast; Unoka's priority was to enjoy life to the fullest. An excellent flutist, he was happy and peaceful when he was playing his flute, in spite of the sorrow and grief that was evident in his music.

Unoka lacked responsibility. He was poor, lazy, and neglectful of his wife, and he did not plan for the future. During his life, he never took a title and, therefore, never gained status or respect from the villagers. Instead, they called him a loafer, and he was the laughingstock of the community. Whenever he managed to get his hands on money, "he immediately bought gourds of palm-wine." Unoka was a debtor and a failure. Also a coward, he never became a warrior — wars made him unhappy because he couldn't stand the sight of blood.

I believe English is not too difficult to comprehend, but I forgive you because the language is not of African origin.

Now, back to the matter at hand;
Yes, I blame New generation mothers because they're always the ones with this don't-correct-my-child attitude. At one time, my son's FSLC examination was postponed, why? because a daughter of Jezebel fought a teacher and broke her head, simply because the teacher used a scissors ✂️ to make minor shaving on the girl's hairs as a means of signalling the parents to shave their daughter's bushy hairs, fellow modern mothers supported her actions of fighting and breaking of the woman's head while the school made clear that students must be neat at all times, that the teacher in charge must ensure that pupils under his or her watch are super neat at all times. it pained me because I was indirectly affected.

there are lots of responsible men out there who would go selfless for other people's children like my very self. I'm not boasting, I do pay for some people's children's school fees, anytime I go to the school myself, to pay for my children school fees. One day, I went to the school to pay my children's school fees as usual, because my wife wasn't around, there was this lady that was making payments for her little ones, with the denominations this woman was making the payment, one would easily notice that the woman must have passed through hell while raising the money. pieces of mutilated 5 naira, 10 naira, 20 naira notes, the highest denomination there was 100 naira, I was closely observing this woman from a corner while she was busy arranging her mutilated notes( which reminded me of how my mother of blessed memory usually paid our school fees), she quickly went to the bursar and told the Rev. sister that she would be making payments for her 3 children, later in the month, she'll come and make payment for the remaining 2. I went to the the Rev. sister who doubles as the school bursar and told her to prepare the receipt for the the woman, when the Rev sister broke the news to the her, the woman who was visibly overjoyed jumped up and hugged me in front of everyone, to God be the glory, I was able to assist.
These are some of the fictional characters from chinua Achebe story telling. Okonkwo and the rest of other characters in things fall apart never existed, they're fiction of chinua Achebe's imagination.
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Bfly: 4:20pm On Jun 12, 2023
I blame the parents of those lazy men because they inherited and will also pass it down like that. The generation of lazy men has spread so much and corrupt the society. It gave the women voice and
they always love those set of men, because they thought they could have some level of dominion. Now they are complaning.

The men are trying to act out what really gender equality means to them?
One is enough to carry the family.
Women could be as well really confused this time around.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Justkatty(f): 4:23pm On Jun 12, 2023
Hmmmm
This matter get as e be Sha.
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by erico2k2(m): 4:24pm On Jun 12, 2023
Jovialjune1:



It's your lack of comprehension skills for me, how you are able twist a growing concern to attacking the Op for pointing out the basic truth cannot be good for your brain.
How do you get to the conclusion that its the truth, The OP barely made a statement based on suggestion so its not absolute..

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by DrAda(f): 4:24pm On Jun 12, 2023
I love making my own money particularly the ones made on the side. It's fun. I do know for a fact that if i am a man, i would have made tons more. I don't get it really. So many opportunities out there if you are willing to work hard for it.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by erico2k2(m): 4:25pm On Jun 12, 2023
davien:
Which gender in the nation is all over social media doing everything but work?? Who's twerking daily on TikTok? Who's doing live videos 7 days a week? Who're in those beer parlors entertaining those lazy men? Who rewards thugs and hooligans?

This is just a click bait thread.
ofcos that goes without saying there are more Men in work than women. Last time I check we have more girls twerking on line like you rightly said.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by ThatCEO: 4:26pm On Jun 12, 2023
Let the men breeeeeetheeee grin

Men are no longer waiting till they are in the grave before they chop life. cool Men r only celebrated in death.

They said the men will decide to chop nkwobi n drink beer instead of taking the money home cheesy grin grin cheesy Small goat meat that men r eating, women say he shd bring d money to cook egusi grin Egusi no dey tire uuuu? grin cheesy

Let us breeeeetheee. Wetin man dey gain for marriage apart of un-ending responsibility? Man wey dey ball steady as bachelor, e go marry finish Baba don dey grow Grey hair.

If u marry an irresponsible man, madam, Na your private problem. Irresponsible men don day since creation.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by jackmrandy: 4:27pm On Jun 12, 2023
Nice2023:
I don't think some men here would take this,there is a growing trend among Nigerian men of today.

And that trend is lazying around,leaving all serious domestic responsibilities for women to carry. Go to every streets in Nigeria now,u will see men,I mean married men doing virtually nothing and feeling good about their new found life,that is,not working and not earning any form of income and wouldn't like to learn any form of trade.

The agonising part is that,they now rely on what the woman or their wives rake in just to survive. Many women especially the married ones are now competing with young girls in having boyfriends all around just for the money to take care of one lazy bunch at home.

Men,rise up to the occasion and stop killing your wives with over work and help them to grow and make them better wives devoid of infidelity. It is ur actions that is pushing ur wives outside.

Stop wasting the little u have on betnaija shops and expect nothing back because u are simply wasting away.

Some of u here may not find this one easy but that is the truth.


madam, don't use what you see in your area to generalise. there are smart , hard working men out there taking responsibilities of their family. don't sit in one place and use one man who has offended you to generalise all men.

a man wil feed his family for years without any complain. a woman will just feed the family for two days or more , the entire street nor go hear word. social media go fill up with men are this, men are that. if e sure for you come as a man in your next life and see how it feels

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Tamakay(m): 4:28pm On Jun 12, 2023
I cannot disagree with your points in totality because there are actually some few irresponsible men out there truly lazing around.

Aside that, the PMB administration coupled with Covid-19 pandemic destroyed so many men in Naija. Some lost their jobs while others, their sumptuous salaries were slashed to nothing thereby making it cumbersome to augment the regular stuff the men use to do.

The reason why most women slightly shoulders the family expenses is actually the small small jobs they were doing while the men were doing the big jobs. Now that most of them are out of job, it is not out of place if the wives takes a little burden pending when the husband will bounce back. It is just normal.

To be frank, the poster is a bit rude and arrogant. The post in my PoV is to mock men and to justify why married women are becoming prosmiscuous in their matrimonial home. When the men were providing for the family, we didn't see post like this. A cheating woman is a cheating woman whether you provide everything for her. Don't justify married women doing Oloshoism abeg.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Nice2023(m): 4:30pm On Jun 12, 2023
jackmrandy:



madam, don't use what you see in your area to generalise. there are smart , hard working men out there taking responsibilities of their family. don't sit in one place and use one man who has offended you to generalise all men.

a man wil feed his family for years without any complain. a woman will just feed the family for two days or more , the entire street nor go hear word. social media go fill up with men are this, men are that. if e sure for you come as a man in your next life and see how it feels



I am a man ....not a woman.
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by samuelson06(m): 4:31pm On Jun 12, 2023
DamnnNiggarr:

How is that my business?

Ladies, roll with hardworking and responsible guys during your courtships, they say No, instead like moving about with hooligans, chewing gum boys and fuckboys whose only ambition in life is get little money from God-knows-where, buy the latest clothes in the market without minding what the future holds.

Men being lazy does not magically begins from old age, it starts from the youthful days, and I'm sure the wives didn't get to know their husbands from older age, and I'm also sure that they must have seen the red flag and signs of laziness from the very beginning during courtship and dating, but chose to ignore due to useless love that blinded their eyes.

This was the same reason why I didn't marry from my state. I lost both parents (may their souls continue resting in the bosom of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen) at a very tender age, and as such, didn't have the time to look fresh like other guys because, I devoted all my time building myself and hustling to survive, raising funds for my tuition fees at Unizik.

There's this lady from my state that I would have married in those days, but guess what; she said I was too local for her liking. She started rolling with big boys in the hood and luckily for her, she ended up with one, they got married, I became devastated because I loved her as at that time, it also delayed my chances of getting married for a very long time. After about 4years into their marriage, the husband was traveling from portharcourt to somewhere in Abuja to deliver a consignment but nabbed by the NDLEA and consequently arrested by the agency. He was charged and jailed, but because he had strong legal backups, he was given a lighter sentence. He served for not up to 1 year and was out of the jail. Because he doesn't have any handwork, he isn't educated, in short, he doesn't have any humanly possible skills to start a new life after being released from the prison and his properties confiscated, he started roaming around the city, drinking excessive alcohol, spending time in lotto centers and betting centers while she caters for the wellbeing of the family and payment of bill.

One day, she became fed up and said enough is enough. she filed for a divorce and it was granted. She disappeared with her kids.

At what age did you finally get married?
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by jaxxy(m): 4:32pm On Jun 12, 2023
very inaccurate post.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by obayendo1010(m): 4:32pm On Jun 12, 2023
Op kindly check your tribe and your environment, life too expose to generalize with less than 1 percent men around you.
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Satazaa: 4:33pm On Jun 12, 2023
I wholeheartedly agree with this OP about men becoming lazy and unproductive, in my area they are countless and from all the tribes without exception, in my street alone you see as many as up to seven married men who gathers in frontages discussing and gossiping about one another, playing games like whot, arguing about chealea, arsenal and man u and they all knows the current salary of Harland and bukayo saka, infact they are currently sick now that the premier league is on break, but one common feature about them is that they are extremely fertile because there's no month that we don't have naming ceremonies among this set of men cry

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Manna4Gurls: 4:34pm On Jun 12, 2023
No matter how you try to put it, no man is lazy. He may not be successful (yet),but he's doing something that is fetching him something to eat in a daily.

You calling some men lazy is how you see it. Because they're yet to breakthrough
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Nice2023(m): 4:35pm On Jun 12, 2023
Blakjewelry:
while it is true that some men are actually lazy to work, but know this, someone who has a job usually sees others without a job as been lazy until one he loses his job and couldn't find another then he will understand the plight of the other guys.


Wrong assertion.
It is only when people lose their job in Nigeria that they learn in a hard,why not on the job,always find an alternative invest well before the eventuality.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Manna4Gurls: 4:36pm On Jun 12, 2023
Nice2023:
I don't think some men here would take this,there is a growing trend among Nigerian men of today.

And that trend is lazying around,leaving all serious domestic responsibilities for women to carry. Go to every streets in Nigeria now,u will see men,I mean married men doing virtually nothing and feeling good about their new found life,that is,not working and not earning any form of income and wouldn't like to learn any form of trade.

The agonising part is that,they now rely on what the woman or their wives rake in just to survive. Many women especially the married ones are now competing with young girls in having boyfriends all around just for the money to take care of one lazy bunch at home.

Men,rise up to the occasion and stop killing your wives with over work and help them to grow and make them better wives devoid of infidelity. It is ur actions that is pushing ur wives outside.

Stop wasting the little u have on betnaija shops and expect nothing back because u are simply wasting away.

Some of u here may not find this one easy but that is the truth.

You really need to listen to TO BE A MAN by Dax... Listen with it's lyrics, you'll understand what it meant to be a man in today's society

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Mimicle101: 4:36pm On Jun 12, 2023
Woman woman!

The funny thing about woman and these post is that woman want to eat there cake and have it.

There is nothing woman will never complain on.

Men worked hard and provided for there families. And woman say No! They also want to work and make THERE OWN money.

Woman said what men can do woman can do it better. Woman rushed to the job market to drag with the men.

And here us the post complaining why is the men not dragging with the woman for the jobs.

In my next world! If there be any I rather be a tree than to be in the same world with a woman.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by aestake: 4:37pm On Jun 12, 2023
Nice2023:
I don't think some men here would take this,there is a growing trend among Nigerian men of today.

And that trend is lazying around,leaving all serious domestic responsibilities for women to carry. Go to every streets in Nigeria now,u will see men,I mean married men doing virtually nothing and feeling good about their new found life,that is,not working and not earning any form of income and wouldn't like to learn any form of trade.

The agonising part is that,they now rely on what the woman or their wives rake in just to survive. Many women especially the married ones are now competing with young girls in having boyfriends all around just for the money to take care of one lazy bunch at home.

Men,rise up to the occasion and stop killing your wives with over work and help them to grow and make them better wives devoid of infidelity. It is ur actions that is pushing ur wives outside.

Stop wasting the little u have on betnaija shops and expect nothing back because u are simply wasting away.

Some of u here may not find this one easy but that is the truth.
Lazing about... Isaiah 4.
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Nice2023(m): 4:39pm On Jun 12, 2023
forexprophet:
Yes it's true..... That was how your dad was...

If not, then your conclusion is miopic!







U don't need to be angry. I never generalised and here u are very troubled and angry.

U must be troubled with what i just wrote.

Sorry man. I don't pamper what I say okay. If it hurts u,u can turn your life around but if not,u can continue in ur laziness.

I don't care.

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by ExudeLoveToAll: 4:40pm On Jun 12, 2023
Blakjewelry:
while it is true that some men are actually lazy to work, but know this, someone who has a job usually sees others without a job as been lazy until one he loses his job and couldn't find another then he will understand the plight of the other guys.



Hahahaha, you are so right.
Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by Zealag(m): 4:44pm On Jun 12, 2023
If men lazy small it's not a bad thing, afterall some women have been lazy even before their mama born dem

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Re: Why Are Men Becoming Lazy And Un-productive. by HayB100(m): 4:46pm On Jun 12, 2023
Truth be told, you have a point, I have seen a lot here in Abk, Ijaiye to be precise but I won't mention the actual area, most of the married men here are walking dead, as in, you will see them very early in the morning doing nothing, gossiping, it's here in Owonikoko I dey see say able, bodied and grown up men dey gossip, try task every young boy that passes by, their wives are the one paying for children school fees, proving educational materials and even providing for feeding, like seriously, as a man, we need to do more, it will even command more respect from you wife. I have never done it and I won't think I will ever do it, it's not even pride, that will I even ask my gf to borrow me money, I don't pray for such. Again, it's not pride, but I see it somehow.

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