prizeless:
This is were INEC gets herself entangled in a battle they can't win

…..entangled in the same web of lies and deceit they wove for Peter Obi!

Poetic justice!

These ones think they're talking to babies

nairalanda1:
I kind of expected this to happen months ago.

Nigeria does not have decent internet all over the country. Even me, when I join meetings on Zoom atimes, sometimes I get logged out because bad network...and I live in one of our main cities!

BVAS was brought in because of far too many contests over elections. The problem is, it uses internet...and in most rural areas, internet is either bad, non existent, or 2g internet which was what we used....17 years ago.

The problem with Nigerian elections is, at the end, they are only fair if 'my candidate wins'.

Anyway, we wait till the court process is over.

So on that very day of election the internet worked all over the country for senetorial n rep elections but stopped in presidential..Even tomato sellers won't write this kind of comment up there

adioolayi:
Technically, all these testimonies will give a logical credence to INEC's claim of "hackers efforts to manipulate the Presidential election results, and therefore, the commission stops the uploading of Presidential election results ONLY"

Is this true or false...only INEC can answer that..

Is this excuse logical...I think it is...and if they do this, their logical EXCUSE..True or False will be superior.

Still wondering why court cannot ask each political party to present signed results by their agents at polling units and cross-check with the final results declared by inec.

Since election is being counted at polling units in the present of voters and parties agents who must have signed on the final result at every polling unit, it is only logical for them to use that to determine if there is any manipulation or not.

If inec say it perceive danger in uploading result directly from Polling units, and electoral officers at polling units claims there was network issue while trying to upload the same results, court won't have option but to reason with them and accept their hard copies.

If the opposition parties didn't have clear evidence of rigging in the results collated through their parties agents at polling units but base their petition on mode of transmission, they may have their case throw out at the end of the day.

NomborPhilip10:
The good part is that none of the witnesses states that the presidential elections were rigged, they both maintained that the elections were peacefully conducted, results announced and results shirts signed and issued to all Party agents.

INEC as an independent body, has the right to alternate the transmission of electoral results when the BVAS failed without consulting any political party, organization or court.

Only if the petitioners and witnesses says the elections were rigged that there would've been issues, since both remain resolute that the elections were peaceful but only the results were manually transmitted, Obi, LP, APM, Atiku Abubakar and the PDP have no case.

Obi star witness, a mathematical professor says elections were rigged in Rivers and Benue, however, you cannot contest the outcome of presidential elections in just two states, it must be across the 36 states.

why was it manually transmitted?

nairalanda1:


What other network exists.?

INEC does not have any special internet network...they use what is on ground. And beyond our cities, internet is bad, very bad.

(I've even tried it, if I am on a long journey as a passenger, after passing a certain limit, I cannot browse on my android).

BVAS was not going to work very well. Anyway, as time goes on....

Of course! Internet is bad all over Nigeria; that's why the INEC officials used USA and UK internet connections to upload the NASS results, but the UK and USA connections selectively failed when it got the presidential results.

Very typical imbecilic excuse you hear from shameless African public officials; another recent example was how someone claimed a strange python swallowed millions and how monkeys snatched public funds. If nobody could be prosecuted for those, why should anyone expect INEC to come up with a sensible defense?

yemmit90:


Still wondering why court cannot ask each political party to present signed results by their agents at polling units and cross-check with the final results declared by inec.

Since election is being counted at polling units in the present of voters and parties agents who must have signed on the final result at every polling unit, it is only logical for them to use that to determine if there is any manipulation or not.

If inec say it perceive danger in uploading result directly from Polling units, and electoral officers at polling units claims there was network issue while trying to upload the same results, court won't have option but to reason with them and accept their hard copies.

If the opposition parties didn't have clear evidence of rigging in the results collated through their parties agents at polling units but base their petition on mode of transmission, they may have their case throw out at the end of the day.

Your reasons are logical...and that would have been an easy way out...but, political parties won't go that route, because, that is where ALL POLITICAL parties perfected their rigging. They know nothing will come from this simple route, because, you will always find exact results collated at PU. Party agents would have been forced to sign those results.
They all do this..they know this..and that's why they will be looking for other ways.


This simply explains why Presidential election fraud is the most difficult to proof

NeloNelo:


Like seriously!

INEC Presiding Officers Tell Court That Only Presidential Election Results Refused To Upload

https://thegisthouse.com/inec-presiding-officers-tell-court-that-only-presidential-election-results-refused-to-upload/

Yea… actually, the results grappled the papers firmly and refused to go away from the sheets into the servers… the results loved the sheets better.

obailala:
Of course! Internet is bad all over Nigeria; that's why the INEC officials used USA and UK internet connections to upload the NASS results, but the UK and USA connections selectively failed when it got the presidential results.

Very typical imbecilic excuse you hear from shameless African public officials; another recent example was how someone claimed a strange python swallowed millions and how monkeys snatched public funds. If nobody could be prosecuted for those, why should anyone expect INEC to come up with a sensible defense?

Sadly it does not change the fact that the BVAS was affected by our bad internet service.

Oga , i am.not excusing bad leadership and oir corrupt electoral system.

At the end, hopefully, our internet will improve


Thanks and good night. Reality is not always our friend.

And yes, i do not support any of the parties.

ncoolsome:





So on that very day of election the internet worked all over the country for senetorial n rep elections but stopped in presidential..Even tomato sellers won't write this kind of comment up there

Why are there court cases up and down for the other elections then?

The presidential election is not the only game in town.

nairalanda1:
I kind of expected this to happen months ago.

Nigeria does not have decent internet all over the country. Even me, when I join meetings on Zoom atimes, sometimes I get logged out because bad network...and I live in one of our main cities!

BVAS was brought in because of far too many contests over elections. The problem is, it uses internet...and in most rural areas, internet is either bad, non existent, or 2g internet which was what we used....17 years ago.

The problem with Nigerian elections is, at the end, they are only fair if 'my candidate wins'.

Anyway, we wait till the court process is over.


P.S

Anyone who accuses me of defending evil misses the point.

INEC chairman told us bvas will work even when there's very poor network. He told us it doesn't necessarily need very good network

Ellasure:
if the bvas worked perfectly to determine voters and determine also who voted but refused to transmit information on the handset to a distance server.

whose fault is that?

computer glitches can occur at any time and at anywhere irrespective of human preparedness.

brand new equipment failures have been experienced in this world at many places and time.it is not new particularly failures of the central servers to receive incoming links.

nobody can be blamed only technical support to inec that can give insight into why the server failed and also provide us information on what was done to repair the links.

the judges can not fault anybody on the failures of the links to server from bvas handset.

Bvas uses AWS. There's nothing like server failure with AWS because they have backups systems always available

GetSenseNow:

INEC chairman told us bvas will work even when there's very poor network. He told us it doesn't necessarily need very good network

And it was obvious he did not know how bad our internet is.

Too obvious

Only Presidential Election Results Refuse To Upload – INEC Tell Tribunal

Presiding Officers of the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC) on Monday told the Presidential Election Petition Court ( PEPC) that the refusal of the Bimodal Voter Accreditation System (BVAS) to transmit the presidential election results on election day frustrated their jobs.


The Officers admitted that the results of the Senate and the House of Representatives election were transmitted unhindered and that the problems of technical hitches arose at the point of transmitting only the presidential poll results.

nairalanda1:



Sadly it does not change the fact that the BVAS was affected by our bad internet service.

Oga , i am.not excusing bad leadership and oir corrupt electoral system.

At the end, hopefully, our internet will improve


Thanks and good night. Reality is not always our friend.

And yes, i do not support any of the parties.

Internet connectivity didnt affect anything! THe refusal to upload the presidential results were deliberate (orders from above); anyone (even the blind) could see that clearly.

I can go pull up some old circulating videos where voters battled election officals to upload the results; the officials bluntly refused citing 'bad network' as the problem. In some cases, voters even offered to hotspot internet from their phones, but the officials refused claiming the problem was from the INEC server and not the internet connection in the area. Some other officials claimed their ogas didnt provide a specific pass code which they claimed was required to securely upload the presidential results. In some units, after the mob pressure from the voters, 'network' miraculously appeared and the officials were forced to upload. Now an AWS official has just prrovided evidence that there was nothing wrong with the health status of the INEC cloud services on that election day; this already rules out the foolish lie by INEC officials that their network was down.

Even a blind person or a child could easily tell that the selective refusal to upload just the presidential results was deliberate. But then, we're in Nigeria, a shithole African country, so even if all the evidence in the world is provided to the court, I dont still trust the already compromised courts to do anything right.

Buhari, Tinubu, El-rufai and INEC oga
knew what they were doing.

They saw the upset Obi was causing and
immediately deployed measured to
avert the disaster, knowing that the
president is what matters in our type of
Democratic Govt.
😕😕😕😕

obailala:
Internet connectivity didnt affect anything! THe refusal to upload the presidential results were deliberate (orders from above); anyone (even the blind) could see that clearly.

I can go pull up some old circulating videos where voters battled election officals to upload the results; the officials bluntly refused citing 'bad network' as the problem. In some cases, voters even offered to hotspot internet from their phones, but the officials refused claiming the problem was from the INEC server and not the internet connection in the area. Some other officials claimed their ogas didnt provide a specific pass code which they claimed was required to securely upload the presidential results. In some units, after the mob pressure from the voters, 'network' miraculously appeared and the officials were forced to upload. Now an AWS official has just prrovided evidence that there was nothing wrong with the health status of the INEC cloud services on that election day; this already rules out the foolish lie by INEC officials that their network was down.

Even a blind person or a child could easily tell that the selective refusal to upload just the presidential results was deliberate. But then, we're in Nigeria, a shithole African country, so even if all the evidence in the world is provided to the court, I dont still trust the already compromised courts to do anything right.

That may be, but it still does not invalidate my argument about the bad internet we have overall.

Oga, once again, you are arguing based on thw idea that i am defending corrupt government. I am.just pointing out one of the reasons why the bvas may have not worked and i even had the idea that there would be glitches before the election

So at the end, we arw just talking two different things.



But on elections, we can never have free and fair elections in this country until people stop seeing themselves as victims. Politicans inclusive. I know why i say.this.

Evening

nairalanda1:


That may be, but it still does not invalidate my argument about the bad internet we have overall.

Oga, once again, you are arguing based on thw idea that i am defending corrupt government. I am.just pointing out one of the reasons why the bvas may have not worked and i even had the idea that there would be glitches before the election

So at the end, we arw just talking two different things.



But on elections, we can never have free and fair elections in this country until people stop seeing themselves as victims. Politicans inclusive. I know why i say.this.

Evening

To summarise what I said before, the non-upload of the presidential result had absolutely nothing to do with Nigeria's bad internet!!!.

By the way, I have no clue what you meant by that last statement; what has election rigging got to do with people being victims?

9jatriot:
I would appreciate it if someone could clarify this for me. How do any of these pieces of evidence prove that Obi won the election?

The argument seems to suggest that if the results were not uploaded to iREV, the entire election should be invalidated for this argument to hold true. However, I am trying to comprehend the logic behind claiming that everything went well until the upload process, without any indication of the results being altered. The argument seems to be solely relying on the fact that the results were not uploaded as evidence of winning.

I have mentioned before that Obi, along with his lawyers and supporters, is aware that he did not win. Therefore, he is not even attempting to demonstrate his victory; he is solely relying on the non-functioning iREV system.

Nonetheless, INEC should provide a thorough explanation for the malfunctioning aspect of the process.

And you were blind when Obi and his team presented evidences /results from different States which were submitted in hard copies to Tribunal?

obailala:
To summarise what I said before, the non-upload of the presidential result had absolutely nothing to do with Nigeria's bad internet!!!.

By the way, I have no clue what you meant by that last statement; what has election rigging got to do with people being victims?

Well from your comment you do not trust the system

Likewise. I don't trust the system myself. That's why I did not see the bvas as a miracle solution. Especially with our bad internet among other things.

Anyway, good evening. Again, I defend no one. Nor is it my intention to excuse anyone

The Tech guys at INEC control room should be arrested immediately

They jammed the network immediately after the upload for the Senatorial and House of Rep.

You mean when he dumped those EC8 forms in court. So far he has not really made any reference to them on any discrepancy.

By now we should have been hearing polling unit x, PO had 100 but was changed to 10, polling unit y, he had 200 but was changed to 40 but instead all the witnesses have only focused on results not being uploaded to iREV and no reference to the so called evidences.

Onyiridike:

And you were blind when Obi and his team presented evidences /results from different States which were submitted in hard copies to Tribunal?

drugBaronTINUBU:

You will never see the useless defenders of the drug Lord on this thread

Such an evil criminal minded people
LeoDeking
Ihordspy
Helinues

This useless three of them are the gang leaders

Mannabbq done defend and him done tire
Baba done rest 🤣🤣
He cannot come and kill himself over useless criminals in APC when he is benefiting nothing.

Maybe he created another account sha

Why are some of you Obidients so bitter that you cant make a comment devoid of sliding tackle.

Whats the purpose of una education/

9jatriot:
You mean when he dumped those EC8 forms in court. So far he has not really made any reference to them on any discrepancy.

By now we should have been hearing polling unit x, PO had 100 but was changed to 10, polling unit y, he had 200 but was changed to 40 but instead all the witnesses have only focused on results not being uploaded to iREV and no reference to the so called evidences.

Are you one of the judges?
Have you been to the tribunal to witness the evidences?
You just sit at your comfort and assume things.

None transmission of results real time does not invalidate the election.

helinues:


Why are some of you Obidients so bitter that you cant make a comment devoid of sliding tackle.

Whats the purpose of una education/

Your education is wasted
For u to even assumed I'm OBIdient because i called u out shows how foolish u are and have always been.
Anybody calling u guys out is always OBIdient
What a foolish way to think

If election was done one hundred times apc would have won.
APC knows how to weaken the opposition parties.

If Nigeria was one of this North African or Arab countries hmmmm Mahmoud for don see Shege .

Or even one of the Francophones African countries, Asia or European nations Chaii!! Mahmoud Mahmoud lying to over 200 million Nigerians and he is a free man.

EFCC, DSS The government hasn't invited him to explain how 300 billion was spent.

nairalanda1:
I kind of expected this to happen months ago.

Nigeria does not have decent internet all over the country. Even me, when I join meetings on Zoom atimes, sometimes I get logged out because bad network...and I live in one of our main cities!

BVAS was brought in because of far too many contests over elections. The problem is, it uses internet...and in most rural areas, internet is either bad, non existent, or 2g internet which was what we used....17 years ago.

The problem with Nigerian elections is, at the end, they are only fair if 'my candidate wins'.

Anyway, we wait till the court process is over.


P.S

Anyone who accuses me of defending evil misses the point.

I think you're missing the main issue here. Three different posts were conducted same day in each unit but two of the posts results were successful uploaded across the country but only the presidential election was not. The results were counted same day, same period and was to be uploaded by law but two went through successfully but that of the presidential election did not. Don't you think something is fishy?

9jatriot:
You mean when he dumped those EC8 forms in court. So far he has not really made any reference to them on any discrepancy.

By now we should have been hearing polling unit x, PO had 100 but was changed to 10, polling unit y, he had 200 but was changed to 40 but instead all the witnesses have only focused on results not being uploaded to iREV and no reference to the so called evidences.

You nailed it.
They dont have evidence of changing poll results.
Hence they are just shouting without any substance.
Not uploading the results to iREV does not invalidate the results.

They focused on results not being uploaded to iREV bring them nothing.