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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Change2015(m): 10:32pm On Aug 22, 2015 |
History of Lagos State Prior to the Portuguese name of Lagos being adopted, Lagos was originally called Eko, which stems from either Oko (Yoruba: "cassava farm" or Eko ("war camp", by its Bini conquerors. History has it that the Oba of Bini sent various trade expeditions to Ghana where spices were traded and one of his traders complained about the way she was being treated by the Awori's. The Oba of Bini then sent a trade expedition by sea. Ironically, the leader of the expedition arrived in the evening at a time when the people who were predominantly fishermen were either wading into the water or getting into their boats to gather their catch. He declined to engage them further and returned to what is now called Benin City where he reported to the Oba of Bini that they were attacked. This prompted the Oba of Bini to constitute a war expedition led by Ado, a Bini Prince to go to Lagos and demand an explanation. This was over 650 years ago. However, on getting there, they were well received. The people were so enamored with Ado they asked him to stay and lead them. He agreed on the condition that they surrendered their sovereignty to the Oba of Bini to which they agreed. The Oba of Bini was told this and he gave his permission for the expedition to remain. The Oba of Bini later sent some of his chiefs including the Eletu Odibo, Obanikoro and others to assist Ado in the running of Eko. Till today, the Oba of Lagos is the head of all the Kings in Lagos State and his status is different from other Oba's most of whom were later given back their crowns and staff of office only within the last 40 years and have various classifications. Suffice it to state that those who got their crowns back were the original land owners. These were Olofin's children. Moreover, modern day Lagosians have so intermingled that no single tribe or people can claim it even though the predominant language is Yoruba. The present day Lagos state has a higher percent of this sub-group who allegedly migrated to the area from Isheri along the Ogun river. History has it that the Awori were actually from Ife the cradle of Yorubaland. The Awori people are a peaceful people initially not taken to warfare. Due to war, those from the hinterlands, like the Ekiti ran towards Isheri which at that time had more than one Olofin (Alafin)who were heads of probably respective settlements about 1400AD. With the fleeing people from the hinterlands most of them scattered again to different places, some to Iro, to Otta, Ado, others to Ebute Metta i.e three landing places - Oyingbo, Iddo and Lagos Island (Eko). The Olofin that brought those who went to Ebute-Metta was Ogunfunminire later known as Agbodere. With the full commencement of the war about 2000 moved to the nearest island of Iddo, others to Otto Awori or Otto Ijanikin towards modern-day Badagry. Those from Ekiti Aramoko came to Ebute-Metta, Iddo and then Ijora. The Olofin was said to have 32 children. His own known children are Olumegbon, Aromire, Oloto, Oluwa, Oniru, Onisiwo, Onitoolo, and Elegushi. Ojora, Onikoyi and Mogiso were not his biological children. After the demise of Agbodere, the name Olofin became the name used to remember him while a title of Oloto was given to his seccessor. With one of his sons becoming the Oloto his other children parted ways to what is known as visible settlements in the present day Lagos. Aromire whose name means defeated the river or became the river's friend is likely to be the first to cross being said to have swam across the river. It is possible that his real name is not Aromire but due to the feat he became known as such. Until the coming of the Bini's, Lagos's geographic boundary was what is known now as Lagos Mainland. Lagos Island, the seat of the Oba of Lagos then consisted of a pepper farm and fishing posts. No one lived there though. The name Eko was given to it by its first King Oba Ado during its early history, it also saw periods of rule by the Kingdom of Benin.[1] Eko was the land area now known as Lagos Island where the king's palace was built. The Palace is called Iga Idunganran which, translated means Palace built on the pepper farm. Oba Ado and the warriors from Benin as well as some of the indigenous people who sought safety settled down in the southern part of Eko called "Isale Eko", Isale literarily meaning bottom, but must have been used to indicate downtown (as in Downtown Lagos). http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by otr1(m): 12:04am On Aug 23, 2015 |
Change2015:Impact of Benin on Lagos? We're talking about the Yorubas in general and not just Lagos. That Benin had some influence on Lagos doesn't stop the fact that the word "Oba" is originally a Yoruba word. I already gave an explanation on that. If Benin influenced Lagos, the Yorubas have also influenced the Binis centuries before. The evidences still abound till this minute. 6 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by MansaPiye: 2:38pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
As they say.. Story for the gods. Cultural influence is not political influence. American influence is global so while a Chinese city might copy an American one, it doesn't mean that America has any political influence in the area, the Chinese can decide to ban all that American influence like the Japanese did before the Meji restoration. The Igbos in the Delta are politically influence by Nri, that is why they have Obi and Igwe. That is why they have Nze Na Ozo and pay homage to where the ofo of Igbos come from which is Igbo land. Rulers love the trappings of power and glory, they all heard of Bini and its courts. Some even visited and invited some Binis to add prestige to their royal courts the same way a Chinese company hires white Americans to add prestige to their company. Some went as far as copying the Royal regalias of the Bini. But did Bini have any political influence no. The Ekumeku fighters in Anioma carried on fighting the British long after Bini has surrendered. They were fighting to maintain their independence. If they were under some sort of Bini hegemony, they would surrendered too. In places where Bini had political influence you don't need to look hard to see it. In Anioma, they speak Igbo and observe very important Igbo customs with Nri written all over it not Edo. Nri itself is far older than Bini. Since the Igbos had a sophisticated religious system and renounced priests, it is possible that Nri priests were invited to Bini by ambitious Kings. And when their services were no longer needed, they returned back to the east and the ambitious priests among them like Eze Chima settled in a new place and introduced some of what he saw in the courts of Bini in his own court while retaining his lgbo language and Nri culture like Nze Na Ozo which is practiced from Onitsha to Agbor and many other Igbo speaking settlements. 4 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by chrisblack: 3:42pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
Ugomba:u mean your own head's.which kind otumopor you get.tell me which kind juju you get. Where Benin dey. You talk too much it shows how empty your threat are. Benin no need to shout or talk before head's roll.ekpa |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by wytecat: 5:03pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
Let them keep collapsing a sentence into a single word just to fit in and feel good, it's inferiority that's killing them. otr1: |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by wytecat: 5:44pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
These are facts! The ancient Binis were Yoruba. Oba has no clear-cut meaning in other language but Yoruba. Eko has no clear-cut meaning in any other language, but Yoruba. Bini empire began with a Yoruba sent from Ile Ife. Republic of Benin named after the body of water. Benin republic pays homage to Ile Ife and nowhere else. Itsekiri share language with Yoruba not with "Benin". Languages point to people's roots. Even the Olukunmi deep in delta still have their Yoruba language. The modern day "Benin" are mostly ibos or mixed, I've said this in the past, everything about them is confusion. Forget their theory of a rat giving birth to an elephant, the true Bini emperor was a Yoruba from Ile Ife and was not as ruthless as made to believe, it was just added for feel-good measures. Lagos was NEVER conquered by any forces outside Yoruba territories, this is the reason the language and names are still Yoruba. Conquerors live their marks via names and language, the reality on ground is Yoruba conquered Benin if anything because we don't speak the same language yet Yoruba language is used by Benin in worshipping gods, in the palace and naming, abeg it doesn't take a rocket science to know where the head has always been. 8 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by NakedEve: 6:53pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
Aren't you funny? You claim SE are Benin descendants and yet when Igbo pple include ur map in their Biafra u shout blue murder? Anyway u guys down there can kill yaselfs. We up in MiddleBelt just dey watch una. If una die finish we go come inherit our oyel, our gas and your land , so pls go ahead and kill urselves. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OfoIgbo: 6:57pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
Please check out the snippet I just got off the internet that clearly shows immense Nri influence on Benin kingdom. The exploration took place in late 1400s by Portuguese explorers. http://www.medievalarchives.com/2010/09/25/medieval-cross-influenced-ancient-benin-culture/ Among the many things which the king D. Jodo learnt from the ambassador of the king of Benin and also from Joao Afonso d Aveiro of what they had been told by the inhabitants of these regions was that to the east of Benin Kingdom at twenty moons journey which according to their account and the short journeys they made would be about two hundred and fifty of our leagues (5.556km or 3.456 is a league) there lived the most powerful monarch of these parts who was called “Ogane”. Among the pagan chiefs of the territories of Benin, Ogane was held in as great veneration as is the supreme Pontif with us. The kingdom being east of Benin obviously rules out any Yoruba kingdom. It couldn't have been the Igala kingdom as Igala is as much east, as it is north of Benin and secondly, Nri gave the ofo to any reigning Attah back in those days The king described as the most powerful monarch in these parts of course meant the king was more powerful than the Ooni of Ife or Alafin of Oyo. That is why I laugh when spanishkid, mulatoclaro and others cast aspersions on Igbo achievements, not knowing that the Nri-Igbos confirmed their kings in olden days, including Ewuare the great. The only reason Nris did not form an empire, which could have been the greatest empire Africa would have ever known, is mainly because Nris have a code of peace and fairness to all. NWA MMUO EMEGBUNA NWA MMADU, NWA MMADU EMEGBUNA NWA MMUO. Nri is the sun, around which the Igbo, Benin and Igala culture revolves. Nri ji ofo The last true Eze Nri which was Eze Nri Obalike mentioned IDU as one of the territories under Nri sphere of influence 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Lordave: 7:10pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
MansaPiye:A tactical, sophisticated and of course, acceptable analysis. #Logic |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by chukzyblingz(m): 9:55pm On Jun 21, 2016 |
MansaPiye:Agbor practice Nze na ofo and pay homage to where the ofo came from? even using the ekumeku war to disprove bini Anioma relationship? very lame logic 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by jayrule(m): 9:28am On Oct 02, 2016 |
chukzyblingz: Now you can just doctor your own fact out of no where for us to see... Dont quote a fact that is well established without giving your own well established objection to this fact. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by oyatz(m): 10:35pm On Mar 09, 2021 |
Ugomba:But he never mentioned anything about Asaba. He only quoted what the great Dr Nnamdi Azikiwe wrote in his autobiography about the ancestries of the Onitsha People as he was told by his grandmother. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Eros48: 5:03am On Jun 21, 2023 |
This statement implies you know little about Edo history. Other than the fact your story looks like a poorly woven cloth, you need to understand that Edo has been through about 3 dynasties namely pre ogiso (poorly recorded), the Ogiso (Well documented from 40AD) and the Oba era. Also it may interest you to know that the Portuguese first came to Nigeria in the 15th century. Which is recent and at the time the Benin empire (not the pre ogiso or the ogiso era) was in its full majesty. This already makes all your claims false. About the Obi of Onitsha and Onitsha itself, the Benin presence and influence cannot be denied. Onitsha was founded in 17th century. As for places like Asaba; Many of the people there originated from Benin, others Igala others Igbo. You can deny it all you want but, be honest with yourself and connect the dots. It is obvious that the Igbos, Yoruba and Benin are different people. Not withstanding Benin's influence is predominant and not the other way around. I also read someone say the Benin's are few, they aren't. The difference is they don't go around claiming people like other ethnic groups in Nigeria do. They have people in the Northern( middle belt), s. eastern, S.southern and S.Western parts of Nigeria, they also have Ga ethnic group of Ghana and some people in Benin Republic and Togo to mention those I am aware about. Let's not also forget about the Ancient Benin Genocide, now dubbed massacre of 1897. That disintegrated the empire as it was and dispersed it's people. (well documented) Og OfoIgbo: |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Raskimonojendor: 5:27am On Jun 21, 2023 |
What sort of rubbish topic is this 3 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OVB123: 7:01am On Jun 21, 2023 |
Volksfuhrer:They don't add up because you are a baby. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 8:10am On Jun 21, 2023 |
morbeta: It was the other way round The first Obi of Onitsha was a Benin Prince 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OfoIgbo: 10:21am On Jun 21, 2023 |
Eros48: Bro, as I have a busy schedule today, please read the content of this link. Amongst other useful information, you will read a snippet of what those Portuguese explorers who visited Benin in the 1400s wrote down, to really appreciate the extent of Nri influence. Please bear in mind that OGANE (as the Portuguese explorers wrote it down) simply is a corruption of the Ed/Bini word OGHENE, which means Lord, or a highly distinguished personality. https://www.thenigerianvoice.com/news/318525/lagos-was-founded-by-igbo-bini-priest-kings-over-500-years-b.html |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Volksfuhrer(m): 12:09pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OVB123: You are a savage and a troll with nothing to add. All I wrote up there have veritable references. I could have educated you with these if you had asked nicely: we would have had a great conversation on the topic. What a missed opportunity! Adiós. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by AntiMarxist: 12:20pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
We wuz Juice We wuz Pharaohs n shit Now we wuz Obas. Igbo enh! 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by NaMe4: 1:53pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OfoIgbo: ABSOLUTE TRASH! Raskimonojendor: Real retard-worthy nonsense! And guess what? Many of the ignoramuses screaming 'biafra' may believe this crap! morbeta: LOL. See the basis of the nonsense thread sef. A European friend told you. You don't know your own history abi your forefathers hid yours from you? No be only Oba of Benin, na Alexander the Great! 4 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Johnjustice: 2:27pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
Onitsha belongs to Benin, Oba of Benin seized the area back then, and the people there were his subjects. 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Johnjustice: 3:17pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
AntiMarxist:A people with no identity 😆 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Johnjustice: 3:22pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
wytecat:Lagos was conquered at a point, at least the marina axis, down to Island only epe was not. The story of Benin being Yoruba is lies, the Benin ancestry and throne traces back to ogodomigodo, then Ogiso dynasty, far beyond the Oba times. The story of oranmiyan is myth, as no empirical facts, fossils or cultural exchanges were observed to ascertain this. Edo people maintained their kingship, history and culture from ogodomigodo down to oba dynasty, no interference from outsiders till the British came. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by AntiMarxist: 3:54pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
Johnjustice: A slave race stealing from others No pedigree. No history No culture Sad 2 Likes |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by orisa37: 5:53pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
THAT BENIN REPUBLIC IS A NO MAN REPUBLIC BELONGING TO EKWEREMADU. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by delpee(f): 6:28pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OfoIgbo: Ile Ibinu means the land of anger/bitterness in Yoruba. The Oba of Benin certainly has a relationship with Ile Ife. That's why the Oba of Benin pays a visit to Ife sometime after coronation. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Pythagoras001: 6:47pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
the only part I disagree with is the most populous part. The British island was quite small compare to the size of the the entire British empire same way Rome as compared to the entire roman empire. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OfoIgbo: 6:54pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
delpee: Ilo Obinu also means the road to bitter hearts in Igbo. That's why Benin people still use the Nri-Igbo four market days till tomorrow, all of which have their originating shrines in core Umu NRI towns 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by delpee(f): 11:34pm On Jun 21, 2023 |
OfoIgbo: Interesting. Seems we're all linked together somehow. Anyway the Olukumis in Delta/SE too were originally Yorubas. Olukumi means my friend in Yoruba. They're referred to as Lucumis in South America..Colombia, Cuba etc Those sold into slavery I believe. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by NaMe4: 4:24am On Jun 22, 2023 |
delpee: How do you think they got to South America? Through Slave Trade. Are they Yorubas? Yes. Why were they in the same location with some Igbos, Igalas, etc in a geographical area now called Anioma in Delta State? Because in the period between the 12th Century to 18th Century, those areas had camps where slaves from various locations were assembled over time before being shipped in batches to the Americas. But some cunning persons will attempt to turn history on its head. That's why you have people from these areas in Delta State who know their origin and heritage and will always state they are not Igbos, despite constant attempts to bully them. These are just pure facts even though it may hurt some. But we have a lot of insincere folks. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by caleboxylic: 4:31am On Jun 22, 2023 |
KINGOSIRO99: Nonsense. The last kingdom after some many kingdoms in west Africa is claiming everybody. The so called bini people no reach a senatorial district in Nigeria. Tell us your market days, tell us how you influenced those you claimed are your descendants. Tell us why and how ordinary igala defeated your so called warriors and seized the bronze from your palace that attah of igala wears till date.? Tell us how you counted your days,months and years before the coming of white man and how you influenced your so called descendant with it. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Nobody: 8:41am On Jun 22, 2023 |
If you go deeper you'd know that an ibbo man was also the King of England before King James I. 1 Like |
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