delpee:


Interesting. Seems we're all linked together somehow.
Anyway the Olukumis in Delta/SE too were originally Yorubas. Olukumi means my friend in Yoruba. They're referred to as Lucumis in South America..Colombia, Cuba etc Those sold into slavery I believe.

Of course we are all linked somehow, if one decides to look back through the ages.

I've heard of the Olukumis, but I don't know much about them.

I know they are situated somewhere within the Anioma territory.

caleboxylic:


Nonsense. The last kingdom after some many kingdoms in west Africa is claiming everybody. The so called bini people no reach a senatorial district in Nigeria. Tell us your market days, tell us how you influenced those you claimed are your descendants. Tell us why and how ordinary igala defeated your so called warriors and seized the bronze from your palace that attah of igala wears till date.? Tell us how you counted your days,months and years before the coming of white man and how you influenced your so called descendant with it.

What people like you don't know is that literate people have been visiting our region since the 1400's and they wrote what they saw, so no need to debate, just check the records written by eyewitnesses. Guess what, those favour the Benin claim:

https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b532480518/f1.item.zoom
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2
https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714

When people like you talk baselessly with their feelings, I just show proof and tell them to deal with reality.

Also, in the whole of west Africa, there is only one kingdom which has more than 30 billion dollars worth of artefacts, guess what kingdom that is: Benin empire !
Don't get fooled by the fact we now live under the same flag, Benin is above the rest and always has been.

https://uniquemaps.eu/fr/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?adg_id=&cmp_id=18827197097&device=m&gad=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw4s-kBhDqARIsAN-ipH2QEMZ7tnAIrAR1ZjxJzVbVbXSaWDvyECML2AYmtBbwhfUWv8Z_kEUaAodnEALw_wcB&kwd=&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&variant=42258880299238

It is not about how you feel or how you prefer things to have been, it is about proof and reality.
But lack of education in Nigeria makes fools think they know it all, then they start creating their own version of history based on their feelings. But guys, history is not about your feelings, it is about eyewitness written records.

You don't even need to be that educated to know how important Benin was, just ask yourself where Benin Republic got its name from.

DaBullIT:


Wikipedia IA your friend

Unbiased, editable and can be accessed by millions

Wikipedia is not a reference.
It is common people who write Wikipedia and the content on many fields are erroneous. On the field of African history, Wikipedia is full of rubbish.

otr1:

We have Ooni, Alafin, Awujale, Osamawe and the rest because the word "oba" is not a title, but a proper noun. All traditional rulers in Yorubaland are Obas because they "ba" on everything in their domain and that's why they have their specific names.
The word "Oba" has two syllables, O/ba. In Yoruba, the "O" means "the one", while the "ba" means "rules". That's why we say "Oba "ba" l'ori oun gbogbo which means, a King "rules" over everything.
The Binis most certainly adopted the name "Oba" as the title of their ruler from the Yorubas.
How can it be the other way round when we have people bearing Yoruba names inside Bini palace and some of their incantations being said in Yoruba words?
They don't know the meaning of Oba beyond being the title of their King.

This your story is obviously like turning truth on its head.

Yorubas were never known to use the word Oba for their Kings.

Only the Edos did that and we have just one Oba. Other traditional rulers in Edo have other titles just like its done in Yoruba land.

The adoption of the word Oba as a title for Kingship in Yoruba land is a recent happening not even up to 200 hundred years.

wytecat:
These are facts!

The ancient Binis were Yoruba.

Oba has no clear-cut meaning in other language but Yoruba.

Eko has no clear-cut meaning in any other language, but Yoruba.

Bini empire began with a Yoruba sent from Ile Ife.

Republic of Benin named after the body of water.

Benin republic pays homage to Ile Ife and nowhere else.

Itsekiri share language with Yoruba not with "Benin". Languages point to people's roots. Even the Olukunmi deep in delta still have their Yoruba language.

The modern day "Benin" are mostly ibos or mixed, I've said this in the past, everything about them is confusion. Forget their theory of a rat giving birth to an elephant, the true Bini emperor was a Yoruba from Ile Ife and was not as ruthless as made to believe, it was just added for feel-good measures.

Lagos was NEVER conquered by any forces outside Yoruba territories, this is the reason the language and names are still Yoruba. Conquerors live their marks via names and language, the reality on ground is Yoruba conquered Benin if anything because we don't speak the same language yet Yoruba language is used by Benin in worshipping gods, in the palace and naming, abeg it doesn't take a rocket science to know where the head has always been.

Who told you Oba has no meaning in Edo?

Some of you just come online and spew trash.

The daily greetings in Edo language have Oba incorporated into them. That tells you how the deep rooted the word Oba is in Edo language.

If you dont understand Edo language, dont come online and say Oba only has meaning in Yoruba.

sotall:


This your story is obviously like turning truth on its head.

Yorubas were never known to use the word Oba for their Kings.

Only the Edos did that and we have just one Oba. Other traditional rulers in Edo have other titles just like its done in Yoruba land.

The adoption of the word Oba as a title for Kingship in Yoruba land is a recent happening not even up to 200 hundred years.

The Obatala dynasty of Kings ruled Ile Ife before Oduduwa defeated the last Obatala king

Oba was being used by Ife Kings even before Oduduwa ruled Ife

otr1:

We have Ooni, Alafin, Awujale, Osamawe and the rest because the word "oba" is not a title, but a proper noun. All traditional rulers in Yorubaland are Obas because they "ba" on everything in their domain and that's why they have their specific names.
The word "Oba" has two syllables, O/ba. In Yoruba, the "O" means "the one", while the "ba" means "rules". That's why we say "Oba "ba" l'ori oun gbogbo which means, a King "rules" over everything.
The Binis most certainly adopted the name "Oba" as the title of their ruler from the Yorubas.
How can it be the other way round when we have people bearing Yoruba names inside Bini palace and some of their incantations being said in Yoruba words?
They don't know the meaning of Oba beyond being the title of their King.

You seem to think "Yoruba" languages are the same as Latin, look, your languages only started recently to have a written form, you therefore can't have this kind of analysis. What you did here is utter nonsense.
The first yoruba monarch to add the word "Oba" to his name was adesoji aderemi, it happened in the 1930's.
Oba is to Benin what king is to britain and what Roi is to France and what Alafin is to oyo.

The words "friend" and "foe" are not originally British words, they came from the Vikings, but today they are part of the British lexicon and have meanings un English...languages change over time, the fact you are used to a certain word today and have attributed a meaning to it does not imply that that word was originally from your language !

Christistruth03:


The Obatala dynasty of Kings ruled Ile Ife before Oduduwa defeated the last Obatala king

Being dated 1992, this paper you quoted is revisionism at best.

Christistruth03:


The Obatala dynasty of Kings ruled Ile Ife before Oduduwa defeated the last Obatala king

You again ...
Bring out a document written by a person who witnessed "obatala" or "oduduwa", or just shut up.
Stop parading with your fairytales when people are trying to discuss history.

sotall:

Being dated 1992, this paper you quoted is revisionism at best.

It is pure fairytale, that is what Yoruba do when people are discussing history, they just start talking about imaginary beings.

otr1:

Impact of Benin on Lagos?
We're talking about the Yorubas in general and not just Lagos.
That Benin had some influence on Lagos doesn't stop the fact that the word "Oba" is originally a Yoruba word. I already gave an explanation on that.
If Benin influenced Lagos, the Yorubas have also influenced the Binis centuries before. The evidences still abound till this minute.

Your main point is flawed!

The Oba word is an Edo traditional title.

Yoruba never had Oba as title for their kings until about a 100 hundred years ago.

sotall:

Being dated 1992, this paper you quoted is revisionism at best.

Stoplying:

You again ...
Bring out a document written by a person who witnessed "obatala" or "oduduwa", or just shut up.
Stop parading with your fairytales when people are trying to discuss history.

You can also see that in the Last Document from 1937 the Ruler of Ipokia was called the Oba of Ipokia

Ọba of Ipokia” was one of the Yoruba monarchs present at the “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” in 1937.





From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”

Christistruth03:






You can also see that in the Last Document from 1937 the Ruler of Ipokia was called the Oba of Ipokia

Bros you are funny!

We say you should bring proof of Yoruba using Oba for their kings you are bringing 1937...

We didn't ask for modern proof. Stop playing

https://shop.memorylane.co.uk/mirror/1400to1499-01466/members-nigerian-government-conference-chiefs-21896697.html

The actual name of the conferences:

"Conference of chiefs of the western provinces"

So that document titled "conference of Yoruba chiefs 1937" is a fake.

sotall:


Bros you are funny!

We say you should bring proof of Yoruba using Oba for their kings you are bringing 1937...

We didn't ask for modern proof. Stop playing

That document is a prime exemple of revisionism, the name of the conference held in 1937 didn't have the word Yoruba in it. That document was not written in 1937 contrary to what you have on the first page.
In other words, the document is a fake.

sotall:


Bros you are funny!

We say you should bring proof of Yoruba using Oba for their kings you are bringing 1937...

We didn't ask for modern proof. Stop playing

But I gave you proof that the Obatala dynasty of Kings that ruled Ife before Oduduwa were already using Oba before Oduduwa ruled Ife

The kings of Benin called Igodomigodo at that time were called Ogiso then

Obalufon was an 11th Century Ooni of Ife

Christistruth03:



But I gave you proof that the Obatala dynasty of Kings that ruled Ife before Oduduwa were already using Oba before Oduduwa ruled Ife

The kings of Benin called Igodomigodo at that time were called Ogiso then

Here you go again, discussing fairytales:

1) obatala : fairytale
2) ogiso: fairytale
3) oduduwa: fairytale
4) igodimogodo: fairytale

Fairytales and fake documents, that is all you have produced. You are derailing a serious discussion about history with your fairytales and your fakes.

Christistruth03:






You can also see that in the Last Document from 1937 the Ruler of Ipokia was called the Oba of Ipokia

1) your document is a fake, it is not from 1937.
2) As I said earlier, adesoji aderemi started the trend of Yoruba monarchs copying the title of the emperor of Benin in the 1930's

Stoplying:

Here you go again, discussing fairytales:

1) obatala : fairytale
2) ogiso: fairytale
3) oduduwa: fairytale
4) igodimogodo: fairytale

Fairytales and fake documents, that is all you have produced. You are derailing a serious discussion about history with your fairytales and your fakes.

Ok

Let us look at the Praise names of Oba of Benin

One of it is

Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe
The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife).

Another is

Ovbi' Adimila
The son of Adimila


Oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula
Which was one of his Titles


So with your own mouth you have already destroyed your case

Talking to this guy is like talking to a cow. I don't have time for this nonsense today.

Stoplying:
Talking to this guy is like talking to a cow. I don't have time for this nonsense today.

Then tell Oba of Benin to change his Praise names and stop calling himself Oduduwa's Son

God Almighty is the Only God of Truth
He defeats lies and deception always

The Throne you are arguing over belongs to God Almighty and he can never be outsmarted

Christistruth03:



But I gave you proof that the Obatala dynasty of Kings that ruled Ife before Oduduwa were already using Oba before Oduduwa ruled Ife

The kings of Benin called Igodomigodo at that time were called Ogiso then

Obalufon was an 11th Century Ooni of Ife

So Obatala fairytales is what you call proof.
Stop spreading ignorance on the internet please

Stoplying:
https://shop.memorylane.co.uk/mirror/1400to1499-01466/members-nigerian-government-conference-chiefs-21896697.html

The actual name of the conferences:

"Conference of chiefs of the western provinces"

So that document titled "conference of Yoruba chiefs 1937" is a fake.

Your Not liking the Truth doesn't make the Truth fake

The name is not fake it was called The Conference of Western Chiefs after it was later expanded to include.other rulers some years later

The 1937 Conference was the Conference of the Yoruba Chiefs

The way people masturbating on history that well documented are so scared. The Arthur of this rubbish should come out and provide artifact.

One thing I noticed about the people that rewritten Benni history they only based their work on oral history.Reason they always get different answer.

KINGOSIRO99:
WHO ARE THE EDO PEOPLE'S?

SOME WILL NOT ACCEPT THIS BECAUSE THEY HAVE LOST THEIR REAL ORIGIN.
BUT JUST DO YOUR THOROUGH RESEARCH YOU WILL COME TO KNOW THE TRUTH OF THIS HISTORY YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ.

Who are the Edo people?

EDO, is what you can describe as the "generic name given to a group of people who have a common ancestor and have a common language, with some different variants, depending on the distance between the group and the " tap root, " resident in and around the present day Benin City. In short, the land, the political state, the people, tribe, language and the principal city -Benin City is called EDO. At a point in the history of these people, another name called BENIN came into use. These Edo-speaking people are divided into the following clans today:

a) " BINI " derived from the word Benin for people living in and around Benin City, in Edo State. People living in and around Benin City, are gradually accepting the word BINI, as descriptive of their clan. Otherwise, they prefer to be simply called EDO.

b) ESAN/Ishan-for the immediate neighbor to the north are people living in around Irrua, Orhodua, Uromi, Ubiaja, Ewu, Ewatto, Igueben and the almighty Evbohimwin (Ewohimi))" the city by the big river " or " the city of Ikhimwin trees " etc.

c) The Afemais known as IVBIOSAKON by those living in and around Benin City to the north of Ishan/Esan clan.

d) Akoko-Edos based in Igarra, Ibillo and its environs to the north of Afemais.

e) The Owans-ORAS occupying Eme, Sabogida-Ora, Afuze, etc. Uhobe (SOBE) and Ifon in Ondo State.

f) Ekas-to East of Benin. A sizeable chunk of the Edo speaking people flow across River Niger and ending at ONITSHA.

g) Isoko, Urhobo, Itsekiris and about 70% percent of western Izon (Ijaws) in Ndegeni and its environs

h) A sizeable chunk of the Edos is found in River States and Balyesa States e.g. Ogba land and Diobu, Port Harcourt.

i) A sizeable chunk has been " Yorubanised in Ondo, Ekiti, Lagos and Ogun States. The descendants of Edo soldiers stationed in Akure are referred to today as ADO-AKURE (Edo ne ’kue) There are many Edos in Ekiti land, Idoani, Idanre etc going through life in Nigeria with Yoruba names. Acculturation has taken place. You are either a Yoruba man or you go nowhere.

j) The ILAJE community at OKITIPUPA and its environs.

k) The Edos who conquered and settled far way land like Dahomey, Togo and Ghana.

The Edo language is part of the Kwa-Niger group of languages according to Linguist. These people have lived were they are now for " Thousands of years." The monarchy centered in Benin City is about 6000 years old, including pre-ogiso and Ogiso era of history. All the clans had various functions, which they perform at the palace. For example, the Ishans/Esans were principally the medicine men and warriors of the ancient empire. They were the medical practitioners. The chieftancy groups responsible for the Oba's well being are dominated by Ishan/Esan descendants. The Ivbiosakon (Afemais) were the dental surgeon of the palace. That is the origin of the name IVBIOSAKON. Oba Esigie assigned that function to them in the c1500's.

The Owan/Ora people were the propitiators of the physical earth for the Oba of Benin. It was their responsibility to prevent things like earthquake, hurricanes, tornadoes, volcanoes and anything associated with geological disturbance to occur in Benin. In short, they were the geologists and weathermen of their day, forecasting and preventing physical calamities. Those we call BINIS today, were the traditional bureaucratic administrators and military generals. The Izons (Ijaws) were the " OZIGUE" -SAILORS The Ekas were farmers. They were in charge of the royal farms.

The Ibos across the Niger call the Edos, IDU, the name of the progenitor of Edo race, the Yorubas call us ADO, which is a corruption of the word EDO. However, the Itsekiris, another sub group in the Edo clans call us UBINI. Tradition asserts that it is derived from ILE-IBINU, which is descriptive of the exasperation and frustration encountered in Benin City, by Prince Oranmiyan of ILE-IFE. A further research may prove that, it was the Itsekiris who gave that name, to the people living in and around Benin City. The Itsekiris told the white man of the powerful overlord living in Igodomigodo. It was the Itsekiris who told the Whiteman that the name of the tribe of this powerful king was UBINI- a term which Whiteman corruptly wrote down as Benin. For example, the name of the eldest daughter of Oba Osewende, the mother of the OSULAS and the AIWERIOGHENES is today known as AGHAYUBINI. A closer examination of that name would reveal that the name is an Itsekhiri phrase-" The Ubini Lady or woman " i.e. the woman from Benin. Aghayubini was a very wealthy trader among the Itsekiris, from whence she got the money she used, is getting the throne for her brother, who became Oba ADOLO. An Itsekhiri descriptive phrase has simply over powered her original Edo name, to the extent that nobody knows anything about it now.

The ancient Edo/Benin Empire covered the whole of Bendel, parts of Bayelsa State and I repeat Balyesa State. The second son of the Enogie of Brass, popularly known as IYASE NE OHENMWEN became the Iyase of Benin under Oba Osewende. Iyase Ohenmwen is the ancestor of the OTOKITIS, THE OKEAYA-INNEH AND THE AIWERIOGHENES of Benin today. It also covers the IGBO-speaking areas of Delta State stretching to Onitsha. People hardly know that the actual title of the Obi of Onitsha is AIGBOGHIDI. The historical Chief Agho Obaseki of Oba Ovoranmwen era and later the Iyase of Benin under Oba Eweka II, was a descendant of the second son of Enogie of NSUKWA now in Delta State. It extended to the whole of Ondo State, parts of Ekiti and Ogun State and the whole of Lagos State including BADAGRY. It stretched to southern Dahomey (Republic of Benin) and on to the coast of Togo and Ghana.

THE OWANS /ORAS:

Oba Ozolua is traditionally regarded as the ancestor of the Owans/Ora. He was known as Prince Okpame before he became known as Oba Ozolua. He had sought refuge in Uwokha in Ivbiosakon areas in c1473. From Uwokha, Oba Ozolua founded Ora and other villages. Oba Ozolua was a warlord. He beat the people of Uzea near Uromi to a pulp when there was a revolt. He extended his carnage to Uromi when the Enogie was reported to have been rude to his messengers. He went up through Akoko land, wandering into Nupe lands where he acquired a lot of sophisticated weaponry then. He attacked the Igallas and Igbirras in the present Kogi and Kwarra states. After spending the greater part of his life in ORA, he left behind his son UGUAN and returned to Benin City.

But before he left, he proclaimed everybody free men and free women, entitled to enjoy the privileges of Edo princes and Princesses, for all the services they had rendered in his military campaigns. That is why the Oras call themselves today, the CHILDREN OF OZOLUA. Besides being in charge of propitiating the physical earth, they are responsible for ritually exorcising any harm that might come upon the EDO NATION-the land due to violation of sexual or other taboos. Their GUILD, quartered at EVBORHAN quarter in OGBELAKA in Benin City by Oba Esigie, demands steep fines from the culprits for their services.

A few years ago, the Oba of Benin created an Ogie-Duke-traditional rulership for the Oras because of popular demand.

Ademola Iyi Eweka. Look
The green color is the true map of Edo territories make this campaign know to the unknown
Edo is not a minority in their Land. EDO is an umbrella that cover all.

Christistruth03:


The name is not fake it was called The Conference of Western Chiefs after it was later expanded to include.other rulers some years later

The 1937 Conference was the Conference of the Yoruba Chiefs

Your Not liking the Truth doesn't make the Truth fake

And to prove your point, you show me a Google search result which brought out one paper published in 2003 and an other one published in 2008 with "conference of Yoruba chiefs" as title?
Why are you dumb ?
I would expect a normal human being to produce a document written in 1937, not a document written in 2003 or 2008. How many times do we have to point your attention to the dates before it enters inside your head that you need to check the dates ?

Stoplying:

And to prove your point, you show me a Google search result which brought out one paper published in 2003 and an other one published in 2008 with "conference of Yoruba chiefs" as title?
Why are you dumb

Stoplying:
Show me a document from 1937 which has "conference of Yoruba chiefs as title"

Stop lying stoplying

This came out in 1937

Show me a document from 1937 which has "conference of Yoruba chiefs as title"

Christistruth03:

Stop lying stop lying
This came out in 1937

Look, you are wasting my time, I can also write a document and put 1937 on it and claim it was written in 1937.
You are supposed to give me a link to a reputable library's archives in which the library would give the date of publication.
You are just an uneducated 419, you can only fool illiterates.

I need authenticated documents, or documents with a trace which would allow me to authenticate them. What you are showing can be produced by anybody with a printer.