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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by OfoIgbo: 8:41am On Jun 22, 2023 |
delpee: Of course we are all linked somehow, if one decides to look back through the ages. I've heard of the Olukumis, but I don't know much about them. I know they are situated somewhere within the Anioma territory. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 11:21am On Jun 22, 2023 |
caleboxylic:What people like you don't know is that literate people have been visiting our region since the 1400's and they wrote what they saw, so no need to debate, just check the records written by eyewitnesses. Guess what, those favour the Benin claim: https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b532480518/f1.item.zoom https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=150215;2 https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714 When people like you talk baselessly with their feelings, I just show proof and tell them to deal with reality.
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 11:39am On Jun 22, 2023 |
Also, in the whole of west Africa, there is only one kingdom which has more than 30 billion dollars worth of artefacts, guess what kingdom that is: Benin empire ! Don't get fooled by the fact we now live under the same flag, Benin is above the rest and always has been. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 11:52am On Jun 22, 2023 |
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 11:55am On Jun 22, 2023 |
It is not about how you feel or how you prefer things to have been, it is about proof and reality. But lack of education in Nigeria makes fools think they know it all, then they start creating their own version of history based on their feelings. But guys, history is not about your feelings, it is about eyewitness written records. You don't even need to be that educated to know how important Benin was, just ask yourself where Benin Republic got its name from. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 1:33pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
DaBullIT:Wikipedia is not a reference. It is common people who write Wikipedia and the content on many fields are erroneous. On the field of African history, Wikipedia is full of rubbish. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by sotall(m): 1:59pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
otr1: This your story is obviously like turning truth on its head. Yorubas were never known to use the word Oba for their Kings. Only the Edos did that and we have just one Oba. Other traditional rulers in Edo have other titles just like its done in Yoruba land. The adoption of the word Oba as a title for Kingship in Yoruba land is a recent happening not even up to 200 hundred years. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by sotall(m): 2:04pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
wytecat: Who told you Oba has no meaning in Edo? Some of you just come online and spew trash. The daily greetings in Edo language have Oba incorporated into them. That tells you how the deep rooted the word Oba is in Edo language. If you dont understand Edo language, dont come online and say Oba only has meaning in Yoruba. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 2:08pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
sotall: The Obatala dynasty of Kings ruled Ile Ife before Oduduwa defeated the last Obatala king Oba was being used by Ife Kings even before Oduduwa ruled Ife 1 Like
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 2:10pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
otr1:You seem to think "Yoruba" languages are the same as Latin, look, your languages only started recently to have a written form, you therefore can't have this kind of analysis. What you did here is utter nonsense. The first yoruba monarch to add the word "Oba" to his name was adesoji aderemi, it happened in the 1930's. Oba is to Benin what king is to britain and what Roi is to France and what Alafin is to oyo. The words "friend" and "foe" are not originally British words, they came from the Vikings, but today they are part of the British lexicon and have meanings un English...languages change over time, the fact you are used to a certain word today and have attributed a meaning to it does not imply that that word was originally from your language ! |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by sotall(m): 2:14pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03:Being dated 1992, this paper you quoted is revisionism at best. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 2:15pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03:You again ... Bring out a document written by a person who witnessed "obatala" or "oduduwa", or just shut up. Stop parading with your fairytales when people are trying to discuss history. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 2:16pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
sotall:It is pure fairytale, that is what Yoruba do when people are discussing history, they just start talking about imaginary beings. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by sotall(m): 2:22pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
otr1: Your main point is flawed! The Oba word is an Edo traditional title. Yoruba never had Oba as title for their kings until about a 100 hundred years ago. 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 2:28pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
sotall: Stoplying: You can also see that in the Last Document from 1937 the Ruler of Ipokia was called the Oba of Ipokia 1 Like
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 2:36pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Ọba of Ipokia” was one of the Yoruba monarchs present at the “Conference of Yoruba Chiefs” in 1937. From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria on 31st March and 1st April 1937 Quoting last paragraph of first page: “The chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung , at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.”
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by sotall(m): 2:50pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03: Bros you are funny! We say you should bring proof of Yoruba using Oba for their kings you are bringing 1937... We didn't ask for modern proof. Stop playing |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 3:08pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
https://shop.memorylane.co.uk/mirror/1400to1499-01466/members-nigerian-government-conference-chiefs-21896697.html The actual name of the conferences: "Conference of chiefs of the western provinces" So that document titled "conference of Yoruba chiefs 1937" is a fake.
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 3:10pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
sotall:That document is a prime exemple of revisionism, the name of the conference held in 1937 didn't have the word Yoruba in it. That document was not written in 1937 contrary to what you have on the first page. In other words, the document is a fake. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 3:12pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
sotall: But I gave you proof that the Obatala dynasty of Kings that ruled Ife before Oduduwa were already using Oba before Oduduwa ruled Ife The kings of Benin called Igodomigodo at that time were called Ogiso then Obalufon was an 11th Century Ooni of Ife 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 3:16pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03:Here you go again, discussing fairytales: 1) obatala : fairytale 2) ogiso: fairytale 3) oduduwa: fairytale 4) igodimogodo: fairytale Fairytales and fake documents, that is all you have produced. You are derailing a serious discussion about history with your fairytales and your fakes. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 3:21pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03: 1) your document is a fake, it is not from 1937. 2) As I said earlier, adesoji aderemi started the trend of Yoruba monarchs copying the title of the emperor of Benin in the 1930's |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 3:22pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Stoplying: Ok Let us look at the Praise names of Oba of Benin One of it is Abieyuwa N'Ovbi Odua N'uhe The son of the wealthy Odua of Uhe(Ife). Another is Ovbi' Adimila The son of Adimila Oduduwa was also known as Olofin Adimula Which was one of his Titles So with your own mouth you have already destroyed your case 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 3:23pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Talking to this guy is like talking to a cow. I don't have time for this nonsense today. |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 3:32pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Stoplying: Then tell Oba of Benin to change his Praise names and stop calling himself Oduduwa's Son God Almighty is the Only God of Truth He defeats lies and deception always The Throne you are arguing over belongs to God Almighty and he can never be outsmarted 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by sotall(m): 3:35pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03: So Obatala fairytales is what you call proof. Stop spreading ignorance on the internet please 1 Like |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 5:46pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Stoplying: Your Not liking the Truth doesn't make the Truth fake The name is not fake it was called The Conference of Western Chiefs after it was later expanded to include.other rulers some years later The 1937 Conference was the Conference of the Yoruba Chiefs
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Resurrection212: 5:58pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
The way people masturbating on history that well documented are so scared. The Arthur of this rubbish should come out and provide artifact. One thing I noticed about the people that rewritten Benni history they only based their work on oral history.Reason they always get different answer. KINGOSIRO99: |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 6:18pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03:And to prove your point, you show me a Google search result which brought out one paper published in 2003 and an other one published in 2008 with "conference of Yoruba chiefs" as title? Why are you dumb ? I would expect a normal human being to produce a document written in 1937, not a document written in 2003 or 2008. How many times do we have to point your attention to the dates before it enters inside your head that you need to check the dates ?
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Christistruth03: 6:26pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Stoplying: Stoplying: Stop lying stoplying This came out in 1937
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Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 6:27pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Show me a document from 1937 which has "conference of Yoruba chiefs as title" |
Re: An Igboman Was Once An Oba In Benin Kingdom(how True Is That) by Stoplying: 6:30pm On Jun 22, 2023 |
Christistruth03:Look, you are wasting my time, I can also write a document and put 1937 on it and claim it was written in 1937. You are supposed to give me a link to a reputable library's archives in which the library would give the date of publication. You are just an uneducated 419, you can only fool illiterates. I need authenticated documents, or documents with a trace which would allow me to authenticate them. What you are showing can be produced by anybody with a printer. |
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