FxMasterz:


Hahaha, who wants to leave where God is, merely because of closing time? Lol.

If God is truly there, they'll never leave.

Those people who left have spoken up. Even on this forum, there are various threads detailing the demonic practices going on in that church created by ex members.

same way Good Tidings Pastor left Living Faith. He has his own story

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

I like your write up, though an guilty of what you just said, using the phrase " a di eji Anya oma aga uka white " I promise to stop it.

FxMasterz:


Wrong!!

The know what they saw there that made them pull out. They know the truth now and are no longer ignorant, so they're warning others. Every Ex-white garment worshipper has something weird to say about the church.

There is plenty weird stuff going on in Pentecostal churches. They are cults

The simple truth is that Christians and Muslims have been scammed by foreign religions

They are all now in the position of trying to justify which scam is better.


I can say it proudly God did not send Christianity. Or Islam to black People.

They are tools used to enslave us

Every human being or most anyway know what is right and wrong without a God from.The middle EAST

The Indians,Chines,Japanese,Koreans are fine without any foreign God

Cele for life ...

olaboy001:
Both of you are liars

You could've said something more cerebral, bro.
Grow up.

Didijiji:
Woow you don’t mean it?

It is well but we don’t kill or sacrifice goats.

I don't speak out what I haven't confirmed as I said that's what most of this white garment churches do. There are many white garment churches you doesn't know it exists and the evil things they do, but we the lay men in the society will always justify them to be either cele or Chorubim

FxMasterz:


You're an agent of Satan otherwise you wouldn't even follow a leader who received his ministerial commission through an encounter with a monkey, bird and a snake. Using the scriptures as a cover-up cannot help you. Repent before it is too late.

That snake and Monkey story is not true.
I'll suggest you find out the truth before taking a position.
Cele didn't break out C and S.
But cele too dey collect tithe,use oil and whole lot he accused the pentecostal churches of doing.

I understand our Lord Jesus Christ wore a garment and walked barefoot, whether or not it was white I do not know


What was the pattern before the Orthodox, Pentecostal etc

What if the BEST WAY TO WORSHIP GOD is as enshrined in the pattern of Leader Olumba Olumba Obu? What if, it's high time we seek more to know in the spirit

May God help us ALL

I am a proud member of Brotherhood of the Cross and Star- Christ Universal Spiritual School of Practical Christianity

11doubledee:

That snake and Monkey story is not true.
I'll suggest you find out the truth before taking a position.
But cele too dey collect tithe,use oil and whole lot he accused the pentecostal churches of doing.

At least we use oil because Jesus used it too. Even the Apostle James wrote that we should use anointing oil in healing the sick. Tithe is commanded by Christ. We're talking about things that are taken from juju and occult practices which the white garment mix with truth.

FxMasterz:

Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

Mongrel, But Catholics burn candles Ya’ know right? ….
You reek of biase ignorance alaye

FxMasterz:


Amen bro. Thanks so much for the prayers.

I'm so excited that you found a biblical white garment student church. I'm overjoyed by your assertion that a revival is already flaming among them and God is separating the shaft from the wheats. That's good news.

The Almighty God who has started the work would finish it in righteousness in Jesus name.

Yes sir.
Prophet Abraham Adebayo is someone I've known through the years. He's a C/S prophet who rightly divides the word of truth. A wonderful teacher too. You can check him out.

At a point in time, in the campus fellowship I spoke off, some members broke away because they wanted to continue fetishism. They started their own parish of C/S, but they were rebels, and were not led by God.

Any church or gathering that adds anything extra biblical is fetish. Those guys arguing know the truth. They are probably charlatans, so they're defending their fetish practices.

I love your submission on tongues. You rightly divided the word of truth. It's funny that posts even brought tongues up because MANY white garment churches speak in tongues. Some of these tongues are inspired of demons. The fact that the poster was trying to attack tongues shows he's fake cos quite a number of white garment churches speak in tongues - both fake and real.

Gajagojo:

There is plenty weird stuff going on in Pentecostal churches. They are cults

The simple truth is that Christians and Muslims have been scammed by foreign religions

They are all now in the position of trying to justify which scam is better.


I can say it proudly God did not send Christianity. Or Islam to black People.

They are tools used to enslave us

Every human being or most anyway know what is right and wrong without a God from.The middle EAST

The Indians,Chines,Japanese,Koreans are fine without any foreign God

Ignorance is not bliss bro.

For many years, African gods were dreaded. They deceived people claiming to be powerful. When the missionaries wanted to build churches, African leaders collected money from them and gave them evil forests to build churches in, in hope that they would be stricken dead and never build any church. The missionaries cleared the evil forests, built churches and developed those dreaded places in the name of Jesus. That's when Africans began to realise that power pass power. Bowing down to stones and woods instead of worshipping the Almighty Creator of all things is absolutely illogical.

Senioradvocate:
I speak out what I haven't confirmed as I said that's what most of this white garment churches do. There are many white garment churches you doesn't know it exists and the evil things they do, but we the lay men in the society will always justify them to be either cele or Chorubim

Thats the issue

Always categorizing all as evil. Some of us have talents that take us to churches —- Pentecostal, Catholic, Anglican etc and gives us some level of access to the Pastors themselves.

FxMasterz:

At least we use oil because Jesus used it too. Even the Apostle James wrote that we should use anointing oil in healing the sick. Tithe is commanded by Christ. We're talking about things that are taken from juju and occult practices which the white garment mix with truth.

I understand you very well because I have been on both sides.
Honestly nothing is wrong with oschoffa's calling or with the doctrine.
Because after his calling,it was his country's men(Republic of Benin) idolaters he was preaching against.
And they really fought him spiritually before settling in Nigeria.
He was also a fisherman by profession.
Setting up altars to worship God is not wrong to me,but cele don't use any kind of coloured candles.
Cele originally don't wear white but white was introduced to bring uniformity and foster unity amongst members (so the poor wouldn't feel resentful).
Not wearing shoe, it's just a way of honouring the holy house of God, it's not bad to me.
The problem was that they allowed evil people infiltrate the church,set up parishes, fester and like you rightly pointed out,took full advantage of the similarities between the church doctrines and theirs to destroy the image of the church.
Because the funny thing is that during their sermon and announcement they discourage every act of sin and wickedness.
But a whole lot of reforms is needed to makes things right.

otipoju:
Celestial born, Cele raised, Cele raising my kids, Cele till I die.

Ibiyomie and Adeboye are puffed up charlatans who believe their own hype.

Imagine a pastor saying there are demonic psams inside the bible

..Hallelujah Jàré Àwè

[quote author=FxMasterz post=123933105]
Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.




The Bible talks about burning of candle in so many verses

Anas09:

You don't study the Holy Spirit in the University. You will end up empty without the knowledge of the underlying reality of God. . God reveals himself to the humble, not the proud.
That's how Satan gets them without them even knowing.

No man looks for God, if you try, it's Satan you will end up with. God has always gone to those he chooses.

Please sorry what do you mean by "NO MAN LOKS FOR GOD". I DONT UNDERSTAND. so you mean if there sre problems we shouldn't look up to God. I don't understand pls

My own Experience
Me and two of my friends went to white garment church to hunt babes with big ass in one of there programs in 2019.we went,we saw, they conquered two of my friends 🤣.
It only took the grace of God for me to come out and survive that missionary journey.fear who no fear white garment church,buh their girls get revolving ass

CC:

FxMasterz.
Otipoju.
Didijiji.

I have followed your exchange on this issue from the very first page to the last, with keen interest.

I am particularly thrilled and impressed with the meticulous rendition of respective views, mostly by Otipoju and FxMasterz. You both obviously committed the entire Sunday morning defending your faiths, without realising that you were educating members of the audience, like me.

Like Otipoju, I spent the first two decades of my life touring churches. Whether Orthodox, pentecostal, Anglican or what have you. I have equally had stints with the Celestial Church of Christ and the Cherubim & Seraphim sect. I have garnered religious knowledge beyond my needs. As a matter of speaking, my father is a Regional Pastor with Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries. He's spent over 15years behind the pulpit.

Your understanding and subsequent interpretations of the word of God cannot be invalidated. You're building your faiths around the tenets of the foundations you were propped with, while growing. But in the course of your argument, any discerning reader will notice that FxMasterz is closed-minded and stubbornly averse to swallowing other opinions, as has always been the case with modern day Pentecostal christians. While Otipoju is mostly concerned about defending his faith, trying to correct historical stereotypes, while attempting to clearly back up the doctrines of his denomination with the bible.

Truth of the matter is, modern day christianity is intolerant of other opinions or criticisms. Muslims prefer to use physical violence to press home their religious demands. Christians just put a moral burden on the world and demonise other religions. It's an easier path to conquests...and less bloody. But ultimately, it does more harm than what Islamism encourages.

If all religions purportedly serve the same purpose of leading souls to heaven, why is there always the discrimination and mud-slinging? I was a part of Eckankar for over 2years and I can proudly pronounce that religion as one of the most peaceful, tolerant and harmonious, as compared to the rest. I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the workings of the CCC, but I can confidently tell you that if all white garment churches and even Christian churches live like them, we'll have more relative peace than we have now. Christianity today is becoming toxic and I find it saddening that their adherents never bother to recognise that.

All of this bickering is the major reason I no longer go to church or any other worship centers. You religious extremists have decidedly made life quite uncomfortable for the rest of the world. Before all these foreign religions, our ancestors worshipped their gods in their huts, married many wives, reaped the bountiful proceeds from their farms and handworks, and they lived long enough to tell tales to their great-grand-children. Today, even with all your promises of el-dorado from pulpits and worship centers, the world is sad, there is hunger, people die early, then we have to tolerate the in-fighting between adherents of different fates.

It's very sad!

If you go to any church or mosque with your complete senses and brain intact and you see them engaging in things that do nor glorify God, the sensible thing to do is to leave and never return to the church. But you see a lot of people are gullible and will continue to fall for all manner of scam.
People attended Rev King's Church where he flogged his members and even burnt some of them. People go to churches where pastors tell them to eat grass. So any body who has something to say about white garment churches can go ahead and run their mouth but must not forget their pastors in other churches who do worst.

WhisperedNoise:

Yes sir.
Prophet Abraham Adebayo is someone I've known through the years. He's a C/S prophet who rightly divides the word of truth. A wonderful teacher too. You can check him out.

At a point in time, in the campus fellowship I spoke off, some members broke away because they wanted to continue fetishism. They started their own parish of C/S, but they were rebels, and were not led by God.

Any church or gathering that adds anything extra biblical is fetish. Those guys arguing know the truth. They are probably charlatans, so they're defending their fetish practices.

I love your submission on tongues. You rightly divided the word of truth. It's funny that posts even brought tongues up because MANY white garment churches speak in tongues. Some of these tongues are inspired of demons. The fact that the poster was trying to attack tongues shows he's fake cos quite a number of white garment churches speak in tongues - both fake and real.

Thanks brother. I'll surely check out Prophet Abraham Adebayo.

You're right, those guys know what they're doing. They were trying frantically to cover up because they felt threatened. It's their means of livelihood. They don't want to be disenfranchised.

I know they speak in demonic tongues and even have weird names for God such as Afurafujah , etc and those weird incantations but I didn't want to derail the thread on the principle of one truth at a time.

Thanks again brother. It's refreshing to find someone who loves the truth.

okerekingsley90:


Please sorry what do you mean by "NO MAN LOKS FOR GOD". I DONT UNDERSTAND. so you mean if there sre problems we shouldn't look up to God. I don't understand pls

he has forgotten what the scripture say in Jeremiah ch 29:13

Buddha3:
CC:

FxMasterz.
Otipoju.
Didijiji.

I have followed your exchange on this issue from the very first page to the last, with keen interest.

I am particularly thrilled and impressed with the meticulous rendition of respective views, mostly by Otipoju and FxMasterz. You both obviously committed the entire Sunday morning defending your faiths, without realising that you were educating members of the audience, like me.

Like Otipoju, I spent the first two decades of my life touring churches. Whether Orthodox, pentecostal, Anglican or what have you. I have equally had stints with the Celestial Church of Christ and the Cherubim & Seraphim sect. I have garnered religious knowledge beyond my needs. As a matter of speaking, my father is a Regional Pastor with Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries. He's spent over 15years behind the pulpit.

Your understanding and subsequent interpretations of the word of God cannot be invalidated. You're building your faiths around the tenets of the foundations you were propped with, while growing. But in the course of your argument, any discerning reader will notice that FxMasterz is closed-minded and stubbornly averse to swallowing other opinions, as has always been the case with modern day Pentecostal christians. While Otipoju is mostly concerned about defending his faith, trying to correct historical stereotypes, while attempting to clearly back up the doctrines of his denomination with the bible.

Truth of the matter is, modern day christianity is intolerant of other opinions or criticisms. Muslims prefer to use physical violence to press home their religious demands. Christians just put a moral burden on the world and demonise other religions. It's an easier path to conquests...and less bloody. But ultimately, it does more harm than what Islamism encourages.

If all religions purportedly serve the same purpose of leading souls to heaven, why is there always the discrimination and mud-slinging? I was a part of Eckankar for over 2years and I can proudly pronounce that religion as one of the most peaceful, tolerant and harmonious, as compared to the rest. I don't have an in-depth knowledge of the workings of the CCC, but I can confidently tell you that if all white garment churches and even Christian churches live like them, we'll have more relative peace than we have now. Christianity today is becoming toxic and I find it saddening that their adherents never bother to recognise that.

All of this bickering is the major reason I no longer go to church or any other worship centers. You religious extremists have decidedly made life quite uncomfortable for the rest of the world. Before all these foreign religions, our ancestors worshipped their gods in their huts, married many wives, reaped the bountiful proceeds from their farms and handworks, and they lived long enough to tell tales to their great-grand-children. Today, even with all your promises of el-dorado from pulpits and worship centers, the world is sad, there is hunger, people die early, then we have to tolerate the in-fighting between adherents of different fates.

It's very sad!

If these your lies make you feel good. Cheers! We shall meet at the judgement seat of Christ some day.

Didijiji:
Why do Pentecostal churches speak ill of white garment churches?

I am forced to ask this question with the trending news today where Pastor David Ibiyeomie said he hates white garment churches and how they used “DEMONIC PSALMS” to make enchantments and make someone become a drunkard.

While it is important to respect senior pastors and their grace, it is equally important that the fathers of faith be made to realize they are human and not some form of God or Angel

The society we live in is plagued by many vices with influences across religion, tribe, race, denomination, sex , geolocation and all. Good and bad people exist in churches be it Catholic, Pentecostal, Anglican, white garment etc.

Singling out the white garment brethren always doesn’t speak well of you. It confirms there is a grudge because you were once a strong member. WHO MADE YOU THEIR GOD OR JUDGE?

Funny enough, you worshipped in a white garment church for several years. Your name then was Akanebo Ibiyeomie, Cherubim church in Port harcourt 115 Aggrey road. You remember Prophet Zekala the dada man, Prophet Chukwunda, Prophet Ajaero and other great prophets that mentored you. Your brother Derefoma Akanebo was also a prophet while you did more of the prayers.

More stories are on their way out so that you be guided how you insult a church on whose altar you prayed for years. Can your history be complete without the white garment church story?

Some orthodox and white garment churches were founded as far back as 1900 -1929. When did the Pentecostal churches start? Does it mean our fathers and grand fathers that worshipped in the old white garment and orthodox churches are seated in hell? Is God unjust?

The beauty of the end we all share is we all will stand before the judgement throne of God. And guess what? There won’t be any VIP queue or any of the altar and body guards.

There are good and bad pastors. There are good and bad prophets. There are good and bad bishops. Always treating the white garment churches as if nothing Godly and good exists in their churches is not Christ-like.

All the yahoo boys, hook up girls, abortionists all attend white garment churches right? You will be shocked they are more in the Pentecostal fold!

Most bank frauds that I know about have been perpetrated by even Pentecostal pastors, Ponzi yahoo schemes also, but you won’t hear because all the Pentecostal churches project to the world is the good side of their activities. I also know of a story of an RCCG father, mother and child that steal from the offering box every sunday till they were caught. An RCCG pastor told me this

What if white garment pastors start using these bad occurrences in the Pentecostal churches to preach on television?

All failed prophecies on this election were mostly by Pentecostal pastors
New year false prophecies are by them. The list is endless but no one talks.

It is pertinent to state that the founder of the RCCG, Pa Josiah Akindayomi worshipped in Cherubim for several years. So it is safe to say RCCG has white garment foundation. Some of the doctrines still continued. For eg, RCCG has mother in Israel like Cherubim.

Jesus Christ taught us love as stated in Eph 4:15.

The hate and stigma on white garment churches have become too much and MUST STOP forthwith.

Whilst there are bad white garment churches, there are good ones. Whilst there are bad Pentecostal churches, there are good ones.

Serve your God and let them be. Your doctrine is never superior and you are not their god

Stop using them to shine with your audience jeering you on—- RIDE ON PASTOR

You can’t hear other religions talk bad about their various sects but this always happens in Christianity

LET GOD BE THE JUDGE

You're not different from him. A man attack your Church but in return, you attacked all PENTECOSTAL Churches. When does his opinion turn to the opinion of ALL pentecostal churches .

But then, SOME white garment Churches are mere shrine. No biblical practice in their dealings

FxMasterz:


If these your lies make you feel good. Cheers! We shall meet at the judgement seat of Christ some day.

I sincerely don't understand what you mean by lies. I gave my take on the issue from the observations I made, and you're already branding me a liar and threatening me with the Heavenly seat of judgement.

Do you now see the religious intolerance I was referring to?

FxMasterz:

Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

If dem burn love Candle for your head with ur picture, u go fall in love yakata

Senioradvocate:
sanitize ur church and stop complaining, there are so many bad eggs in ur church. Many ritualist are now hiding under white gament churches to perpetrate their evil act. They never stop killing goats, ram and fowls, bad someone in the river 12 midnight etc. They bad women necked midnight in Rivers. I knew a particular man where I once stayed who does these things I mentioned for a living.

By your statements, those things are evil?

That means prophets like Elisha, Elijah, Moses and all were evil...including Oshofa?

phemmyfour:
You're not different from him. A man attack your Church but in return, you attacked all PENTECOSTAL Churches. When does his opinion turn to the opinion of ALL pentecostal churches .

But then, SOME white garment Churches are mere shrine. No biblical practice in their dealings

E pain u.


Meanwhile, He attacked all white garment churches.

Buddha3:




I sincerely don't understand what you mean by lies. I gave my take on the issue from the observations I made, and you're already branding me a liar and threatening me with the Heavenly seat of judgement.

Do you now see the religious intolerance I was referring to?

No, you're trying to defend your practices with cooked up stories.

If your father is truly an MFM pastor, you wouldn't even near C&S! Your father would cast out devils from people without burning coloured candles, carrying people to the riverside to wash, saying incantations or making sacrifices beside rivers at night.

Please, people are intelligent, they can actually see through your hypocrisy!

The guy you're siding with was using unfounded scriptural references to justify demonic practices contrary to what those scriptures are saying, and I explained those scriptures to him in all simplicity and honesty. He himself didn't object. You're coming to spew lies because you don't want to lose your means of livelihood?

Judgement will certainly come. Just wait for it.

Senioradvocate:
I don't speak out what I haven't confirmed as I said that's what most of this white garment churches do. There are many white garment churches you doesn't know it exists and the evil things they do, but we the lay men in the society will always justify them to be either cele or Chorubim

You haven't been to 500 white garment churches yet, you speak boldly in lies. MOST.

FxMasterz:

Baba Adeboye didn't mention any church per say. He only warned against burning candles. David Ibiyhome didn't do well at all. He wasn't supposed to talk like that.

Yes, there are godly white garment churches but they're not well known.

Most of those white garment churches have demonic practices. Burning of candies is demonic. Coloured candles are used in occultism to conjure demons. Candles have no place in Christianity. They use brooms and bath in rivers like the Babalawos do. That's purely unscriptural. But ignorant people would keep defending what they know nothing about.

So going to church is scriptural??