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FreedomfromtheT:
In the context of our discussion, you are both wrong.
We are not discussing all humans in general.
We started with the reasons why some people hate Deeper Life members.
Then we came to whether a Christian can be free from sin or not.
The Jehovah's Witnesses as represented by the two of you claimed that all including the Christian is a sinner since everyone will still die.
The born again preaching Churches including the Deeper Christian Life Ministry which I represent here disagree with you based on Scriptures and logic.
Christ was born to save (those who will eventually become) His people from their sins Mathew 1:21.
He that committed sin is of the devil (1st John 3:.
Without holiness (freedom from sin and practically life of purity), no person will see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).
So if everyone remains a sinner even after Christ's death, then His sacrifice would have been in vain (God forbid).
If everyone is a sinner including Christians, then all, including Christians, belong to the devil (what an absurdity)!
If all are sinners, then noone will see God eventually.
So it is clear that you Jehovah's Witnesses are so wrong.
The unfortunate thing is that in your conceit, you claim you are the only Christians (yet sinners) and that you alone know the truth (that cannot set you free) and many people follow you!
This regrettably, fulfills the Scriptures in Mathew 23:15.
The glad tiding is that it is not too late for you and your misled proselytes as long as you are yet breathing.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all people, because all sinned"

Oga , you are NOT honest.
Please,continue in your FOLLY.

Janosky:
Romans 5:12 Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, in this way death spread to all people, because all sinned"

Oga , you are NOT honest.
Please,continue in your FOLLY.

What a pity that some religious people have a form of godliness (religion) but deny the power thereof (2nd Timothy 3:5).
I don't need your 'honesty' that denies the power of Christ to save a sinner completely from sinning (Matthew 1:21).
Sorry sir, the person actually wallowing in folly is the one who thinks that Christ will come to suffer and die a shameful death on the Cross to save sinners from the power of sin when He knows noone can be saved.
The ones wallowing in folly are the religious sinners who believe that Christ Who healed and still heals the sick completely, Who delivered and still delivers the demon possessed completely cannot save sinners completely!
To the glory of God, a lot of former sinners have been saved completely from sinning by Christ Jesus and I am one of them. (1st Timothy 1:15)."Being then made FREE FROM SIN, ye became the servants of righteousness" (Romans 6:18).
"But now being made FREE FROM SIN and become servants to God, ye have your fruits unto holiness, and the end everlasting life" (Romans 6:22). Hallelujah!
Dear friend, Christ Jesus can set you free from sin and it's consequences (John 8:32,36). This is the good news.
Those who enjoy sinning and don't want to be saved while claiming religious superiority can continue in their delusion.
On the other hand, those who desire to be saved from sin in order not to be damned in eternity are welcome to repent genuinely and accept the finished work of Christ at Calvary on their behalf ( John 3:16-19).
God bless you.

MaxInDHouse:
Later you will say someone is running from your delusional thought.

Ọmọ sin is what causes death {Romans 6:23} so whatever makes you grow old and die means you're still a sinner, it's until God's kingdom comes then your sinful nature will be undone when Christ's ransom sacrifice is applied because you have lived by his rules until then you remain a sinner so you will grow old, get sick and die just like all other sinners!

You are wrong sir.
Your sinful nature is either undone now that you are still alive or never (Isaiah 55:6,7; 2nd Corinthians 6:2; Hebrews 9:27). Christ shed His blood to random the believer now that one is still alive or never (Titus 2:11-14; 1st Peter 1:18,19).
You either repent and appropriate His sacrifice on your behalf NOW or never.
One with the sinful nature cannot inherit God's Kingdom (1st Corinthians 6:9-11).
"And such were some of us: but we are washed, (at the moment), but we are sanctified (now), but we are (currently) justified in the name of Jesus and by the Spirit of our God" (1st Corinthians 6:11).
Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
You are wrong sir.
Your sinful nature is either undone now that you are still alive or never (Isaiah 55:6,7; 2nd Corinthians 6:2; Hebrews 9:27). Christ shed His blood to random the believer now that one is still alive or never (Titus 2:11-14; 1st Peter 1:18,19).
You either repent and appropriate His sacrifice on your behalf NOW or never.
One with the sinful nature cannot inherit God's Kingdom (1st Corinthians 6:9-11).
"And such were some of us: but we are washed, (at the moment), but we are sanctified (now), but we are (currently) justified in the name of Jesus and by the Spirit of our God" (1st Corinthians 6:11).
Thank you.

Obviously you don't even know what "SIN" means because according to Jesus believers in Jesus can only have their names written in the book of life but they're still sinners who must pay for their sins by dying.
Whoever is without sin now shouldn't die since it's sin that causes death! Romans 6:23

Your Kumuyi is wrong in this there's no way you can come out of the quagmire unless you prove to me that deeperlife members don't die as long as people grow old, get sick and die it's the wages of sin they're paying!

MaxInDHouse:
Obviously you don't even know what "SIN" means because according to Jesus believers in Jesus can only have their names written in the book of life but they're still sinners who must pay for their sins by dying.
Whoever is without sin now shouldn't die since it's sin that causes death! Romans 6:23

Your Kumuyi is wrong in this there's no way you can come out of the quagmire unless you prove to me that deeperlife members don't die as long as people grow old, get sick and die it's the wages of sin they're paying!

You can continue your hate on pastor Kumuyi.
I have personally experienced salvation from sin through Christ. So I am not parroting the religious opinion or denominational indocrination of any person or sect.
To start with, the Bible says that whoever sins transgresses the law (or commandments of God) because SIN IS a TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW (OF GOD) and ye know that He (Christ) was manifested to TAKE AWAY OUR SINS and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abides in Him (Christ) doesn't sin any longer. Whosever continues to sin has neither seen nor known Christ (experiencially) - 1st John 3:4-6).
Secondly, Christ told His listeners that except they believe He is the One to save them they would die in their sins. (John 8:24).
The grave implication of the statement of Christ is that is it a terrible thing with eternal consequences for a person to die in his or her sins.
It also means that Christ shed His precious blood to save as many as repent and accept His vicarious sacrifice from sin so that we don't die in it.
You have a choice to remain in sin while using a misinterpreted verse of the Bible to back yourself. It is not because Christ cannot save you from every dot of sin but because it is your choice.
The wise person reading this also has a choice to ask Christ Who is able to save every sinner to the uttermost to save him or her from sin so that he/she doesn't face the dire consequences of dying a sinner. (Hebrews 7:25).
Thank you.

Because they're extremely judgemental towards other Christian.

FreedomfromtheT:
He (Christ) was manifested to TAKE AWAY OUR SINS and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abides in Him (Christ) doesn't sin any longer.

This is the truth but as sinners you must grow old, get sick and die that's what you must pay for your sin so if you're growing old presently know that it's due to your sin.
If you're no longer sinning that's what will give you the benefit of having your name written in the book of life for remembrance when Gods kingdom comes.
Jesus said:

“I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?” John 11:25-26

Those BELIEVING in Christ now must grow old, get sick and die because of their sin but if God's Kingdom is here today all unbelievers will die while believers in Christ will never taste death again because the application of Christ's ransom sacrifice has began manifesting globally.
It's like a new government is coming to power and prisoners on the list in the hands of the new ruler are freed. Their freedom doesn't just happens that day but from the moment their names were written in his book so they have to continue enduring the pains of prison while anticipating his reign they have freed SECRETLY once he begin his rule they will surely be freed PUBLICLY!

Regarding faith in Christ Lazarus's sister said

[b]“Yes, Lord, I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.” John 11:27

Yet Jesus' friend (her brother Lazarus) died and she also will grow old, get sick and die!

WHY?

Because as long as Jesus Christ hasn't begin his earthly reign all his disciples on planet earth are still like prisoners who have decided not to commit the evil that brought sin upon them but they must still pay for the one they committed before they became believers and the sin they inherited!

Now you don't want Kumuyi who deluded you with lies to be brought to book but you've been talking about Jehovah's Witnesses as if you know anything than we do.
If you stop talking about Jehovah's Witnesses i will leave Kumuyi then we can both talk about what we know without involving who or where we learned it!

MaxInDHouse:
This is the truth but as sinners you must grow old, get sick and die that's what you must pay for your sin so if you're growing old presently know that it's due to your sin.
If you're no longer sinning that's what will give you the benefit of having your name written in the book of life for remembrance when Gods kingdom comes.
Jesus said:

“I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?” John 11:25-26

Those BELIEVING in Christ now must grow old, get sick and die because of their sin but if God's Kingdom is here today all unbelievers will die while believers in Christ will never taste death again because the application of Christ's ransom sacrifice has began manifesting globally.
It's like a new government is coming to power and prisoners on the list in the hands of the new ruler are freed. Their freedom doesn't just happens that day but from the moment their names were written in his book so they have to continue enduring the pains of prison while anticipating his reign they have freed SECRETLY once he begin his rule they will surely be freed PUBLICLY!

Regarding faith in Christ Lazarus's sister said

[b]“Yes, Lord, I have believed that you are the Christ, the Son of God, the one coming into the world.” John 11:27

Yet Jesus' friend (her brother Lazarus) died and she also will grow old, get sick and die!

WHY?

Because as long as Jesus Christ hasn't begin his earthly reign all his disciples on planet earth are still like prisoners who have decided not to commit the evil that brought sin upon them but they must still pay for the one they committed before they became believers and the sin they inherited!

Now you don't want Kumuyi who deluded you with lies to be brought to book but you've been talking about Jehovah's Witnesses as if you know anything than we do.
If you stop talking about Jehovah's Witnesses i will leave Kumuyi then we can both talk about what we know without involving who or where we learned it!

Is is not you and your fellow Jehovah's witness that brought up the issue of a CChristian having to die quoting Romans 3:23 to emphasize that the Christian is yet a sinner for the fact that he will still grow old and die?
My point still remains that Christ can set the sinner totally free from sin in order for the elsewhile sinner who is now a Christian to inherit the Kingdom of God (Romans 6:17,18,22).
He has graciously done it for me and multitude of others.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today He forever will still graciously do it for as many as are yet living in sin as they trust Him to do it for them.
Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
Is is not you and your fellow Jehovah's witness that brought up the issue of a CChristian having to die quoting Romans 3:23 to emphasize that the Christian is yet a sinner for the fact that he will still grow old and die?
My point still remains that Christ can set the sinner totally free from sin in order for the elsewhile sinner who is now a Christian to inherit the Kingdom of God (Romans 6:17,18,22).
He has graciously done it for me and multitude of others.
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today He forever will still graciously do it for as many as are yet living in sin as they trust Him to do it for them.
Thank you.

Jesus has done the same for millions of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth so we know he is our redeemer but the fact still remains that the wages of sin which is death must be paid if God's Kingdom hasn't come.

So after payment for sin all humans has been pardoned but then who are those to be brought back to life in Paradise?

That's when Christians comes to mind because the dead in Christ will be resurrected FIRST because they have no sin in them anymore but other sinners will be resurrected too these ones died without knowing Jesus that's why the scriptures say there's going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous {Act 24:15} the righteous are Christians and ancient faithful servants of God but the unrighteous are people who lives by conscience without the righteousness of God, they will be resurrected because they kept their conscience alive! Romans 2:15

Death is the wages of sin {Romans 6:23} so whatever makes anyone die now it means he or she paid for sin. It's when God's kingdom come that believers will no longer pay because it's our redeemer that will be ruling the earth at that time!

Janosky:
Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus Christ is NEVER lord to 3 deities worshippers,efulefu workers of iniquity.

I agree totally and also the worshipers of the lying 8 old men in Warwick

MaxInDHouse:
That's not a slogan but teaching of a religious sect so they can't ask you if you believe it since you've not studied the Bible with them in other to agree on the doctrine.

It's a slogan and not even Biblical.

But calling Jesus Lord and Saviour is well Biblical.

Among themselves after studying (observing) him for a long time {Matthew 16:13-16} they won't go about asking members of other religions if they have accepted their own teaching without prior agreement.

Jesus is Lord and Saviour! Says the scripture.

Is it then wrong to ask if Jesus should be your Lord and Saviour?

YES! It is wrong because it's after studying the Bible together that people come to agreement not just asking someone from another religion if he has accepted what you believe without any agreement on what the scripture say!

It's not wrong!

Liar! Peter said Jesus has been MADE Lord and Saviour. Which means even to unbelievers. But the confession has to be made first.

NO! Jesus can only save those believing in him and acting on his instructions not everyone so he is Lord only over his own disciples that's why those who never believe him slapped and spat on his face. Surely none of his disciples can do that to him because to them Jesus is Lord!

Is Jesus your Lord and Saviour?

Very simple question and you keep jumping up and down like kangaroo

I won't answer you because you and i are talking about different Jesus, before i can agree on what you're saying we must agree to n what Jesus commanded then we can both talk about how to carry out the orders of our Lord. But since we aren't agreeing on terms and conditions of worship keep your Jesus while i keep mine!

When the question hits the right spot

Who are WITNESSES of someone?
Are they those shouting his name using various slogans or those acting on his orders? Matthew 7:21-23 compare to Matthew 15:8

And the order is that "YOU SHALL BE MINE WITNESS"

Do you keep that command?

Emusan:
I agree totally and also the worshipers of the lying 8 old men in Warwick

Who are these lying 8 old men in Warwick please?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus has done the same for millions of Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth so we know he is our redeemer but the fact still remains that the wages of sin which is death must be paid if God's Kingdom hasn't come.

So after payment for sin all humans has been pardoned but then who are those to be brought back to life in Paradise?

That's when Christians comes to mind because the dead in Christ will be resurrected FIRST because they have no sin in them anymore but other sinners will be resurrected too these ones died without knowing Jesus that's why the scriptures say there's going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and unrighteous {Act 24:15} the righteous are Christians and ancient faithful servants of God but the unrighteous are people who lives by conscience without the righteousness of God, they will be resurrected because they kept their conscience alive! Romans 2:15

Death is the wages of sin {Romans 6:23} so whatever makes anyone die now it means he or she paid for sin. It's when God's kingdom come that believers will no longer pay because it's our redeemer that will be ruling the earth at that time!

Stop mixing things up.
Dying in the Lord is different from dying as a sinner. The former is a glorious death while the latter is a miserable one (Revelations 14:13; John 8:24).
Jesus Christ has paid the price for the sins of humanity by His death on the Cross of Calvary.
I have repented and received Him as my Lord and Saviour.
Therefore I am not going to pay the penalty of eternal damnation any longer.
It is the unrepentant sinners who die in their sin that will pay the price for their sins (John 3:16-19).
Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
Who are these lying 8 old men in Warwick please?

Watchtower Governor Bodies

Emusan:
Watchtower Governor Bodies

Can you please list those their 8 lies if you know them for us to learn.
Thank you.

FreedomfromtheT:
Stop mixing things up.
Dying in the Lord is different from dying as a sinner. The former is a glorious death while the latter is a miserable one (Revelations 14:13; John 8:24). Jesus Christ has paid the price for the sins of humanity by His death on the Cross of Calvary. I have repented and received Him as my Lord and Saviour. Therefore I am not going to pay the penalty of eternal damnation any longer. It is the unrepentant sinners who die in their sin that will pay the price for their sins (John 3:16-19).
Thank you.

You're the one mixing things up!

Death is not part of the blessings God has for man in the beginning {Genesis 1:26-28} it came as a penalty for sin {Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23} so death comes due to sin {Romans 5:12} as long as death is concerned sin is the cause!

Until God's kingdom come sin and death will rules over mankind and Christians aren't left out! Romans 5:21

I know how you feel as you keep typing
"Thank you" but anyway you're welcome!

FreedomfromtheT:
Can you please list those their 8 lies if you know them for us to learn.
Thank you.

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MaxInDHouse:
You're the one mixing things up!

Death is not part of the blessings God has for man in the beginning {Genesis 1:26-28} it came as a penalty for sin {Genesis 2:17; Romans 6:23} so death comes due to sin {Romans 5:12} as long as death is concerned sin is the cause!

Until God's kingdom come sin and death will rules over mankind and Christians aren't left out! Romans 5:21

I know how you feel as you keep typing
"Thank you" but anyway you're welcome!

Who doesn't know that all (except those who will be alive at the Rapture of the saints) are liable to death?
My focus is on the salvation Christ paid for which I have benefited from and which guarantees me eternal life while your focus is that all will die including the saved.
Death doesn't frighten the saved Christian because it only translates him into eternal glory.
It is the unsaved sinner that should be worrying about the danger of dying in sin and as such should repent, accept the sacrifice of Christ and be saved now.
That I will die doesn't make me a sinner because I am saved by His grace.
By the way, is that why some people hate Deeper Life members because this is the topic of this thread.

FreedomfromtheT:
Who doesn't know that all (except those who will be alive at the Rapture of the saints) are liable to death?
My focus is on the salvation Christ paid for which I have benefited from and which guarantees me eternal life while your focus is that all will die including the saved.
Death doesn't frighten the saved Christian because it only translates him into eternal glory.
It is the unsaved sinner that should be worrying about the danger of dying in sin and as such should repent, accept the sacrifice of Christ and be saved now.
That I will die doesn't make me a sinner because I am saved by His grace.
By the way, is that why some people hate Deeper Life members because this is the topic of this thread.

It's you who kept digressing i've told you what makes unbelievers hate believers according to God's word. Believers are saved because their names has been WRITTEN in the book of life but it's the penalty for sin they paid at death!

David committed adultery with Uriah's wife so if God pardoned David the penalty (that the child will die) never changed.

So our names has been written in the book of life as believers but death is the wages of sin that all descendants of Adam must pay until God's kingdom come!

Emusan:
Jesus isn't your Lord and Personal Saviour!

I remember the nonsense I did with oneolajire or OLAADEGBU about this very same question while still one of Jehovah's Witnesses

The fact that their is a Jehovah someone they believe is higher than Jesus, he will never accept Jesus as his Lord and Personal Saviour.

Accepting Jesus as Lord and Personal Saviour will lead to death by Jehovah. The madness and insanities peddling wey dey im brains laced with lies and manipulations packed into his brains by his GODS of men no small at all

MaxInDHouse:
It's a dogma!

The reality on ground is that you know that your Jehovah made Jesus Lord and Saviour over MaxInDHouse but you will lie and manipulate people with your madness and insanities peddling brains to look different

MaxInDHouse:
It's a dogma!

The reality on ground is that you know that your Jehovah made Jesus Lord and Saviour over MaxInDHouse but you will lie and manipulate people with your madness and insanities peddling brains to look different

Ọmọ it's a common dogma in the churches of Christendom but it's not written anywhere in the Bible that one should accept Jesus as Lord and personal saviour!

That common dogma came from Acts2:36...Therefore, let all the house of Israel know for a certainty that God made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you executed on a stake.”


Romans 10: 9 For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,+ and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved.

That your Jehovah made him your Lord and personal saviour without him your being a Jehovah’s witness is a misnomer