Shantyken:


Pls u will post the application for expungement for us.

That one just came up with his/her own story from nowhere. A case that has been out there in the open and investigated by PDP since 1999 when Tinubu contested for Governorship.

001Lagos:

So the $460,000 forfeited by Tinubu is for what if not drug?

Calm down !!! Case is not determine by emotional feelings but fact and evidences. You can't call someone a criminal untill Court of law says . Was there any evidence to prove your claims ? He was not arrested or convicted In America or Nigeria !!! What are you now saying if not your mere emotional Imaginations?

GeneralPula:

Mtchew..

Asking same question everyday..

Tinubu had a civil forfeiture and not a criminal forfeiture. This was why he wasn't charged nor indicted for any crime or drug related crime!

The forfeited money doesn't belong to him in anyway! Like the witness stated, tinubu was never indicted nor charged cuz his forfeiture was a civil one

Don't mind those IPOB miscreants!

Only in Nigeria

GeneralDae:

You are not being fair here. If you keep money sent to you by a relative in America who is already rich, are you saying you should be punished alongside the relative when it's discovered the money from the relative was proceed from crime, even when you don't know where the money came from but you trusted this your relative?

why was Doyin okupe convicted for money laundering?

was the said money his own? no
so why did the court find him guilty of such when the said money was given to him by the national security advisor?

lastly, so what u re saying in essence is that I can start keeping proceeds I don't know it's sources for people without worrying of being prosecuted if it is later discovered that those proceeds was from drugs, armed robbery, kidnapping, terrorist, cyber crime, 419??

kayusely70:
Don't mind those IPOB miscreants!

what has ipob got to do with this intellectual argument?

abi u wan just display ur inherited mental deficiencies?

Shikini:
Only in Nigeria

only in Nigeria will the oppressed be defending their oppressors

Novarisammy2:


why was Doyin okupe convicted for money laundering?

was the said money his own? no
so why did the court find him guilty of such when the said money was given to him by the national security advisor?

lastly, so what u re saying in essence is that I can start keeping proceeds I don't know it's sources for people without worrying of being prosecuted if it is later discovered that those proceeds was from drugs, armed robbery, kidnapping, terrorist, cyber crime, 419??

Doyin Okupe held cash in millions. There was good reason to believe he was hiding something. Apples and Oranges.

If you have a relative or friend who is older and trustworthy to you. Has been abroad and sends money to you to keep in your account, are you saying you probe every kobo sent to you? Be honest and reasonable here. Leave politics and your bias aside for a moment.

Does it mean that some one use Tinubu account for drug biz without his knowledge?. If so, did Tinubu provide the people that set him up for conviction?Or is him claiming he don't know how huge amount of moneyentered into his account?

GeneralDae:

Doyin Okupe held cash in . There was good reason to believe he was hiding something. Apples and Oranges.

If you have a relative or friend who is older and trustworthy to you. Has been abroad and sends money to you to keep in your account, are you saying you probe every kobo sent to you? Be honest and reasonable here. Leave politics and your bias aside for a moment.

let me start keeping monies then for criminals living in the ghettos in my state


I won't be prosecuted if they get arrested. you have given me that assurance

Novarisammy2:


let me start keeping monies then for criminals living in the ghettos in my state


I won't be prosecuted if they get arrested. you have given me that assurance

If you know they are criminals you would be prosecuted. If you didn't know, you shouldn't.

Again like I said, remove your bias for a moment and think about this critically.

GeneralDae:

Doyin Okupe held cash in millions. There was good reason to believe he was hiding something. Apples and Oranges.

If you have a relative or friend who is older and trustworthy to you. Has been abroad and sends money to you to keep in your account, are you saying you probe every kobo sent to you? Be honest and reasonable here. Leave politics and your bias aside for a moment.

rich relatives that paid up to 500 thousand dollars in my account as far back as 1992?

do u know that there are top civil servants whose gross annual salary is around 50 thousand dollars in the USA?

Novarisammy2:


rich relatives that paid up to 500 thousand dollars in my account as far back as 1992?

do u know that there are top civil servants whose gross annual salary is around 50 thousand dollars in the USA?

This particular Akande who was friend to his wife's relatives was also a Nigerian politician at that time.

GeneralDae:

If you know they are criminals you would be prosecuted. If you didn't know, you shouldn't.

Again like I said, remove your bias for a moment and think about this critically.

a guy escorted his friend to get his ATM card. when the guy got to the bank, police arrested and the guy he came with

do u know why?
that account was used to collect 500k from a kidnapped victim.

how tell me again , why did they arrest the two guys? they re not the kidnappers. infact the second guy only escorted his good friend to get his ATM

GeneralDae:

This particular Akande who was friend to his wife's relatives was also a Nigerian politician at that time.

a rich politician that needed your account to be depositing money


it's alright

Novarisammy2:


a guy escorted his friend to get his ATM card. when the guy got to the bank, police arrested and the guy he came with

do u know why?
that account was used to collect 500k from a kidnapped victim.

how tell me again , why did they arrest the two guys? they re not the kidnappers. infact the second guy only escorted his good friend to get his ATM

Exactly. The two guys were arrested by the police but in court only the guilty one would be convicted.

Novarisammy2:


a rich politician that needed your account to be depositing money


it's alright

That's it. Money laundering.

Tinubu could either be guilty of money laundering or Tinubu was trying to do him a favour for also helping him live in an apartment close to him a long time ago when he was stranded in Chicago but the guy used Tinubu for his money laundering.

There are many possibilities.

GeneralDae:

Exactly. The two guys were arrested by the police but in court only the guilty one would be convicted.

they re currently serving jail terms in prison for conniving with kidnappers

Shantyken:

No doubt but was he(tinubu) involve in the crime because crime of such magnitude US I know doesn't take it lightly.

forfeiture is a kind of punishment

have u stolen money before

And when u get home your elder brother or

father takes it from you because your


story does not add up ? yea that’s what happened to Tinubu

The money was forfeited because the US believed it’s drug money as Tinubu could not verify how he came about with the money

And his story didn’t add up and himself didn’t fight it because he knew if he did he would go to prison

And also it depends on the prosecutor and Illinois is notorious for such legal process

they just like ok - You can’t prove it’s yours, you can’t prove you legitimately earned it…. we (the prosecutors) don’t have time to pursue this case - So, you will forfeit the money

BUT if that was your legit money - you can’t just leave it to be forfeited - u will fight for it - let me tell u

99% of Americans - that’s 297 million Americans out of 300 million Americans don’t have $460,000 cash saved anywhere

so for Tinubu to walk away from that money

i can bet my 2 testicles on a sledge hammer 🔨

Baba Tinubu was into drugs 😎

Lotanna2:


Not true.there was no trial on tinubu.fbi just applied for forfeiture and it was granted

There were more than one FBI agents that sat on Tinubu's drug trafficking offences, found him guilty, and arrived at the verdict of punishment for the offences through his forfeiture of the drug trafficking money.
The many FBI agents who sat on the case constituted a JURY.
A jury is a body of individuals sworn to give a decision on some matter submitted to them.
The FBI agents got sworn into office the day they were employed.

Novarisammy2:


they re currently serving jail terms in prison for conniving with kidnappers

What was final verdict of the court on the innocent one who escorted the other?

onuman:


There were more than one FBI agents that sat on Tinubu's drug trafficking offences, found him guilty, and arrived at the verdict of punishment for the offences through his forfeiture of the drug trafficking money.
The many FBI agents who sat on the case constituted a JURY.

Okay but APC just presented an FBI report from 2007 that states there was no criminal case against Tinubu.

The most important thing is that Bamidele admitted just like others that a forfeiture happened!
A simple definition of Civil forfeiture implies a crime actually transpired......

Civil forfeiture allows the government (typically the police) to seize — and then keep or sell — any property that is involved in a crime or illegal activity. Owners need not ever be arrested or convicted of a crime for their cash, cars, or even real estate to be taken away permanently by the government.

bentenny:
The most important thing is that Bamidele admitted just like others that a forfeiture happened!
A simple definition of Civil forfeiture implies a crime actually transpired......

A crime must not always occur in a civil forfeiture.

princejohnard:
A CASE SCENARIO

Mr. T just move to chanchanga from Lugbe to start life after rounding up his YOUTH SERVICE at Niger Water board. Mr. T got employed by a local rice mill in the neighborhood.

Due to the high house rent in Chanchanga, Mr T opted to squat with a family friend, Mr. K.

One day Mr.K brought some large amount of money home and asked Mr T to HELP him KEEP IT at it was a well known fact that Mr T is good with money. As a form of favour returned, Mr T collected the money with probing Mr k about the SOURCE of the money.

Few months later, Mr K was ARRESTED for robbery, and charged to court during the investigation by the Minna City Police, it was discovered that some of the PROCEED of Mr K crime is with Mr. T .

Note; Mr. K NEVER mentioned Mr. T as part of his robbery gang and the money the police met in Mr T account is MORE than the suspected CRIME PROCEED.

Throughout the investigation, Mr T was never linked as member of Mr K robbery gang.

Though Mr K NEVER admitted the amount he gave Mr T.

Mr T account was frozen.

During phone investigation with Mr. T admitted SOME PART of the money in his account belong to Mr K .

After a long court case, Mr. T account was unfrozen and the SUSPECTED CRIME PROCEED amount was withheld by the Niger State government.


Please ;

Is Mr T a thief ?

Does the WITHHELD money by the Niger State government from Mr. T account make Mr T a criminal?

If Mr T is indicted how come his company didn't SUSPEND or TERMINATED his employment ?



If you can answer these questions TRUTHFULLY, then you have your ANSWER to whether Tinubu is a criminal or not.

ENOUGH OF ALL THESE POLITICAL WAHALA....

MAY NIGERIA be great!!

Mr. Man, first and foremost, your analogy is empty as same is bereft of any modicum of logical empiricism.
Nevertheless, you have admitted that the person you are trying so hard to defend was a squatter, which is contrary to earlier proposition that, he was so rich and as such, could not afford to have quartted with anyone while in the US when this issue came up at the early stage. I remember Festus Keyamo once said, he was merely sharing apartment with suspected drug maffias.
Nevertheless, answer this question, going by your postulations, assuming your friend or any known person to you, hands his or her bag to you to hold, maybe at the Airport to hold for him, that he want to ease his or herself, and while you are still in possession of the said bag, a security personal at the place for whatever reasons demanded to search that bag in your possession and in the event of such search, found out that there were stolen items in the bag you were asked to hold by your friend. Will you be accused of being in possession of stolen items or you will be adjudged innocent Bearing in mind the legal presumption of stolen items being in the possession of someone after the stealing incident.

GeneralDae:

A crime must not always occur in a civil forfeiture.

Define forfeiture in law?
Also define Civil Forfeiture....

Arewagang:



Mr. Man, first and foremost, your analogy is empty as same is bereft of any modicum of logical empirisism.
Nevertheless, you have admitted that person you are trying so hard to defend was a squatter, which is contrary to earlier proposition that, he was so rich and as such, could not afford to have quartted with anyone while in the US when this issue came up at the early stage. I remember Festus Keyamo once said, he was merely sharing apartment with suspected drug maffias.
Nevertheless, answer this question, going by your postulations, assuming your friend or any known person to you, hands his or her bag to you to hold, maybe at the Airport to hold for him, that he want to ease his or herself, and while you are still in possession of the said bag, a security personal at the place for whatever reasons demanded to search that bag in your possession and in the event of such search, found out that there were stolen items in the bag you were asked to hold by your friend. Will you be accused of being in possession of stolen items or you will be adjudged innocent Bearing in mind the legal presumption of stolen items being in the possession of someone after the stealing incident.

Tinubu struggled in his early days in America.

This is a long read on Tinubu's early days.
Long but worth it.

https://thenewsnigeria.com.ng/2021/03/29/tinubu-at-69-his-life-story-from-rugged-early-period-escape-to-exile-others/

As to your second assertion, if in the court the person can prove he was merely given the bag to hold, why should the person be convicted or pronounced guilty?

Novarisammy2:


only in Nigeria will the oppressed be defending their oppressors

How will a person that has never left Nigeria, know what is happening in other countries?

Or you are basing your assertion on what you watch on tv?

solreb:

Excellent. Anyone who wants to be truthful knows Mr at was not at fault. Hence USA has cleared him of any wrongdoing since 2003.

Ignorance is not an excuse in the eyes of the law.

bentenny:

Define forfeiture in law?
Also define Civil Forfeiture....

And the irony is that whether he was caught or not, the constitution of 1999 as Amended, says banned 10 years within when the supposed conviction was commuted, those mumus are making much ado about an incident that happened in 1992/93, thirty years ago?

Even if he was convicted & spent 10 years in Federal prison & was released in 2004, statute of limitation has kicked in, he can contest to become the president of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

na wa ooo, so all this educated people dont know the difference btw criminal forfeiture and civil forfeiture.

there is no case against tinubu here.

tellmemore15:
na wa ooo, so all this educated people dont know the difference btw criminal forfeiture and civil forfeiture.

there is no case against tinubu here.

The way those oblivious Obidients reason is stupefied, senseless illogical lot.