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Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by MightySparrow: 8:21am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Workch: Theory simply means in the face of no better arguments, we accept this for now. Does this make sense? |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Workch: 8:22am On Jul 06, 2023 |
MightySparrow:there's also never going to be a day when science will find out that creation happened literally like in the book of genesis. It's why you should not take the bible literally, you will be battling to accept facts and realities |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Workch: 8:26am On Jul 06, 2023 |
MightySparrow:yes, but it doesn't not mean that what the theory tries to explain changes.and most times, these theories are not change outrightly, they are edited as we learn more. E.g. Atomic theory can be be fallable but Atoms cannot change and be replaced with something else. Atom is fact Theory of relativity can be fallable but gravity is fact, it doednr change. It cannot be replaced with another thing. Cell theory may change but cells can't change Theory of evolution may change and it has changed several times but all tried explaning a fact called evolution. Evolution will never be replaced by creation as explained by the Bible |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by wegevv: 8:39am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Workch: Indeed it’s a simplification to say “humans evolved from monkeys”. Regardless, evolution as pertains to humans and other species we see today is a theory not a fact as with viruses etc. Hence why scientists say “evolution is a theory and a fact”. So just correcting the “theory of a fact called evolution” you said in your previous post that implied evolution as a whole was a fact. Despite that, you are right in that the theory of evolution is not a mere hunch. Scientists have studied various facts we see today and have extremely strong reasons and evidence to believe that that is how humans and other species we see today came to be. That doesn’t change my faith personally but I’ll save that conversation for another day. Still worn out from the last one lol ❤️ |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by MightySparrow: 8:44am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Workch: I will take Bible literally. I believe that God that created things in the beginning has not stopped. How do you convince me against someone whose had one leg shorter than the other getting the shorter grow to meet the other. Or somebody grew inches taller. I have enjoyed something's myself. That is why I can't reason like Europeans. They too had the same experiences in the past. They brought Christianity to us. Now they are abandoning it. 1 Like |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:45am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: I think they're just following the concept they discovered on their own! |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Workch: 8:46am On Jul 06, 2023 |
wegevv:I think you don't understand what I meant. I already started it, evolution is a theory because a theory existed called theory of evolution. The fact call called evolution is what it explains. There's no basis for any debate here that you are trying to create because I'm not arguing this. Despite that, you are right in that the theory of evolution is not a mere hunch. Scientists have studied various facts we see today and have extremely strong reasons and evidence to believe that that is how humans and other species we see today came to be.good, I have seen many Christians who accept evolution as well and I'm impressed. If your likes are the majority, maybe we may not have seen many people leave Christianity. In the presence of literalist, who are majority in Africa, they see facts like evolution and try to deny it, many people will start doubting Christianity because of their actions |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by MightySparrow: 8:48am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Workch: My thought. Thanks. |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by LordReed(m): 8:58am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: You are the one playing the "whiteman" "blackman" card not me so I assume your deck is stacked. LoLz. What has "ethnicity or intercontinentalism" got to do with the theory of evolution? |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Aemmyjah(m): 8:58am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Workch: Can you prove evolution? Evolution has so many unanswered questions but they say we should not question it Even without religion, life in itself points toward and intelligent Creator How many white men have left Christianity and which white men are you talking about? De play 1 Like |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by MightySparrow: 8:59am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Workch: Things evolve. Can we ever trace the first language spoken? How, where, when.? Why are all living things except few have male and female. At what point did it start? Evolution seems to me to take care of only species not emotions, language, spirituality etc. Apart from biological sciences, these also are fields of study. There are so much knowledge also in these fields. For example, in cat family, there different species. Are to still expect different variants. Or we going to help nature to do that? There is cross - breeding going on. Has evolution been having agent's like human to work? |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by LordReed(m): 9:00am On Jul 06, 2023 |
MightySparrow: LoLz. Someone that doesn't even know what a theory is. Guy rest abeg. It would be a waste trying to educate you when with the resources of the internet at your disposal you can't even look up something as basic as the meaning of scientific theory. |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by LordReed(m): 9:02am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Name the god you were worshipping before "whiteman" brought your current god to you. LoLz. Quote the place Darwin said such things. 1 Like |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by wegevv: 9:02am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Workch: I think you’re still conflating the “theory of evolution” with the facts that the theory is based on lol. I say this because of your last paragraph; I don’t know many Christians who reject the facts that the theory of evolution are based on. I only know those who reject the “theory of evolution” itself. There’s a difference between those two things because you can acknowledge the facts and reject the theory. Many of those who reject the “theory of evolution” chose to explain the facts that the theory is based on in a different way. |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by vdestro: 9:05am On Jul 06, 2023 |
paxonel: Saying we should follow the ways of the Europeans is enough to bring it up. |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by LordReed(m): 9:06am On Jul 06, 2023 |
vdestro: LoLz! The name of the god you were worshipping before "whiteman" came to give you your current god is just plain god? Which language was using god as the name of the god they worshipped? Yoruba? Igbo? Edo? Hausa? Fulani? Tiv? Igbira? Nupe? Which one? Bwahahahahaha! 1 Like |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:07am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Ọmọ no follow them drag that one o! They know everything about their demigods in atheism even they can defend any statement made by their demigods it's only the Bible that's faulty to them! |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Aemmyjah(m): 9:12am On Jul 06, 2023 |
LordReed: https://www.icr.org/article/a-150-years-later-fossils-still-dont-help-darwin/ There are other ones Ask Wiki Ask AI It's 150 years already Una still de carry Apostle darwin for shoulder |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by vdestro: 9:12am On Jul 06, 2023 |
paxonel: Are you saying that In other words, that monkeys, apes and human beings were brothers who had a common parent (ancestor) now extinct? |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by LordReed(m): 9:22am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: LMAO! Association of quote miners. The question Darwin posed and ANSWERED in the same book? Bwahahahaha. 1 Like |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by paxonel(m): 9:24am On Jul 06, 2023 |
vdestro:the words brothers and parent cannot be used in this context as they never lived together as a family and they will never do so |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by paxonel(m): 9:28am On Jul 06, 2023 |
vdestro:the op was specific enough to discuss evolution, not gender confusion |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by vdestro: 9:29am On Jul 06, 2023 |
paxonel: A brother is still a brother even if they never lived together in the same house as polygamy and separation has proven. So indeed, it is your claim that apes, monkeys and humans had the same extinct parents? |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Techobeys: 9:30am On Jul 06, 2023 |
Like I said, I have a BSc. Industrial Chemistry, I didn’t tell you I have a Bsc. In Physics or Astronomy but you seem not know understand that knowledge of how chemicals react is not enough to explain the idea you’re putting forward. You still need to use concepts in other fields to try to first establish the basis for a chemical reaction. I know many people just go to the internet and read a lot of things only to come out sounding like they actually have a clue about how things works in reality so I don’t expect anyone to sound ignorant about these things, I just want to question them based on feasibility of these ideas. Reading about supernova and having an idea about it is not the same as understanding whether the idea is feasible. I can read a lot on the internet but that doesn’t mean I think any of them is possible. Also, why will I talk about evolution without first talking about abiogenesis? How can evolution occur without abiogenesis? Do you think it’s an intelligent approach to start talking about evolution without talking about abiogenesis? I know many of you people have been captivated with the idea of evolution and your minds have been fully captured by proponents of evolution, but what you fail to realise is that life must first exist before it can evolve. Just as you were first born before you grew and knew all the theories that you have packed up in your head. I think talking about evolution without first establishing abiogenesis is not an intelligent approach to discovering the truth. I know many people who call themselves scientists are just delusional and may not realise this. I’m not saying you’re delusional even though there’s a high tendency you might be, but I’m simply affording you the opportunity to discus the basics first. After we’ve finished with abiogenesis then we can start on evolution. We must first discus the basics before we progress. You were not born an adult, were you? And no one will even be born without sex and pregnancy. It’s stupid to talk about birth and shy away from sex and pregnancy. Just as it’s also stupid to force evolution as truth without first fully concluding on abiogenesis. Also, like you said, the Adam and Eve is the reasonable alternative to all this story about evolution and abiogenesis if a person truly understands it. But I don’t want to talk about that yet bc you’ve already confirmed that it’s a waste of time to try to change a fool’s mind. So let’s keep discussing your idea until you realise the flaws in it then perhaps we might try the alternative. Is that fine with you? Workch: |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by vdestro: 9:32am On Jul 06, 2023 |
paxonel: Yes, he was and we are following up on it until you brought in the following of the Europeans, which means, Africans should also follow their paths of gender confusion. |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Techobeys: 9:45am On Jul 06, 2023 |
That option of “I don’t know if it’s true or false” does not exist for you because even in your confused state about reality, you’ve already concluded that the Adam and Eve story is untrue. How can you conclude easily when you don’t even know anything? The moment you passed a judgment about one story, you’re indirectly upholding the alternative story, but then, how can you uphold something you’re not even sure of its authenticity? Is that irritating ? This is why questions must be asked to help you realise your error, my friend. Also, the topic must not be evolution alone, because evolution is just a surface value topic. We cannot evolve unless we first exist. So why talk about our evolution when we don’t even know how life existed? That’s not a wise way to start to know something. You start from the basics. From there, you can progress. I’m bringing abiogenesis into account so we can start from the basics. So when we finish with abiogenesis then we can progress into evolution. But we cannot progress unless we discovered if abiogenesis even happened at all. Life is not a school exam where you can easily leave question 1 and start with question 2. With life, the basics come first and you can’t start from the middle. So let’s start from the beginning, my friend. I know you want to close down the topic of abiogenesis bc you realise it’s absurdity. But then, if you believe in evolution, it’s to say you were first convinced about the process that birth life which started to evolve. You don’t have the RIGHT to say you don’t know if abiogenesis happened anymore. Workch: |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Workch: 11:09am On Jul 06, 2023 |
wegevv:Yes, I agree with you that you can acknowledge facts and reject the theory. Are you getting me point or what? Is that not the essence of fallible tbeory? Science will not be science if theory can not be rejected. How is that hard for you to grasp that I'm not disagreeing with you |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Workch: 11:15am On Jul 06, 2023 |
MightySparrow:sincerely, lets stay on the topic. I don't know how the emergence of the first language got to do with biological evolution. We cannot achieve anything in hmthis conversation if you keep digressing. How, where, when.?I don't know, this doesn't mean that evoli9is not fact as observed and explained to you earlier, we still don't understand every bit of it and that's a genuine admission Evolution seems to me to take care of only species not emotions, language, spirituality etc.you are correct Apart from biological sciences, these also are fields of study.I don't understand the question here, kindly rephrase |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Aemmyjah(m): 2:06pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
LordReed: Go and ask ifa who your ancestors were worshipping. Not me. I'm not interested Darwin himself, in his On the Origin of Species, said, “If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down.” Go and read chapter 6 of Darwin's book, Origin I don't quote nonsense like you |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Aemmyjah(m): 2:08pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
LordReed: If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down. But I can find no such case. You will not find it. Servant of Baba Darwin |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by Aemmyjah(m): 2:12pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
LordReed: Page 189, Origin of Species by your master, Baba Charles Darwin |
Re: How Different Regional Christians Accept The Theory Of Evolution. by LordReed(m): 2:22pm On Jul 06, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: LMAO! So you agree that the god you were worshipping is not the same as the god the "whiteman" brought to you. Bwahahahahaha! Oga you have not read chapter 6 of Origin of Species. If you have what is the next sentence after the one you quoted? |
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